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Post by Upfrontvb on Jan 29, 2015 13:03:44 GMT -5
Some of the posters just want to blame Karch for everything. You don't know the facts nor do I. Maybe one or two people on this thread may know the behind the scene story. And some poster live in the past of some players. Not many are knocking how good of players Tom or Hooker were and possibly still are. And right now, we don't know if Tom and Hooker are the best players in the world or USA team. But any coach will put the best players on the court. His job is to win. Just like any sports team or job in the corporate world. And our last team that was out on the court won the Gold at worlds.
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Post by s0uthie on Jan 29, 2015 13:28:12 GMT -5
Were the other countries playing their B-Teams at the world championships? (not sarcastic, I'm not familiar enough with the non-US rosters to know this) If not, then why are we questioning whether or not having them on the team was the right move? Why are people assuming that they can't win in Rio without Hooker (or Tom)? I've seen addition by subtraction work plenty of times personally. And there are numerous examples from professional sports where getting rid of someone who is selfish or doesn't buy-in allows the team to play better. The Atlanta Hawks and Detroit Pistons certainly don't miss Josh Smith.
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Post by #skoskers on Jan 29, 2015 13:38:29 GMT -5
It really would be a shame if our most qualified and capable players are kept from the team, or any sport, unless they’re doing something illegal. Like the poster above said, imagine the NBA without the Kobes and Lebrons… BORING! Sometimes I wonder if Saint Karch is threatened by Tom and Hooker? Both are players that transformed their sport and garnered worldwide fame. In the last quad, if you watch the timeouts, Logan seemed to shrug off his comments or not look at him directly when he spoke to her. Really, she couldn’t look any more bored in some of those timeouts. IMO Karch is doing a disservice to Amerikuh, the fans, the players involved, and the sport itself by keeping our most prolific players off the roster. If he doesn’t bring Hooker or Tom to Omaha this summer, I’m gonna be p*ssed. I didn’t spend over $300 for VIP tickets just to see Gamova, Sheila, Kosheleva, Thaisa, Kim, Brakocevic, Naz, Castillo and Bossetti. I need me some Hooker and Tom this summer! I celebrated a little when Marichev invited Gamova back to the team, and I hope Furst goes back to the German NT. It’s seriously a shame to see the best in the world not compete with their national teams. Otherwise, like Kokyu mentioned once, all of the NT rejects worldwide should become citizens of Andorra or Scotland and rise up against their teams. Oh, I don't agree with you on that. There are reasons other than doing something illegal that should keep people off teams. Lack of respect, effort, refusal to adhere to team rules........... At this point, lets hope Karch's goal was to send a message, and that there is some maturing on Hooker's part. We may look back on this in two years and recognize it as a pivotal point in the US team becoming great. I have to believe Hooker and Karch both wan't to win a gold medal. Sure, not adhering to rules or disrespecting one’s teammates should weigh against a player to remain on the team. However, if it’s cockiness or an inflated ego that’s keeping her off the team, I’d wonder if her cocky male athlete counterparts (like Ronaldo, Bryant, Moss, Rodriguez, and Mayweather) are being judged by a different standard then. I still ask Hooker’s haters to show us a match (post-graduation) in which she looked disrespectful to her teammates or coaches or displayed this cocky behavior.
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Post by dorothymantooth on Jan 29, 2015 13:44:09 GMT -5
I just know if I were USA volleyball, I would be trying to repair the relationship in the best interest of her and USA volleyball.
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Post by kokyu on Jan 29, 2015 14:15:20 GMT -5
Beal won't remove Karch because that would be considered a bigger scandal than not having Hooker come back. It's all about saving face, upholding hierarchy and order. Tom should also still be on the team, her past peak hitting ability is irrelevant because she'll never clam up in clutch moments and all her non-hitting abilities still outperform all the other outsides. Only Banwarth might surpass Tom currently in passing ability but mostly due to smaller size advantage. Yes, that and they just won a gold medal at the world championships, the single greatest achievement in USA womens volleyball history. USA sucked before 2010 so comparing current expectations with past performance of retired players is retarded, not that's a new thing for you.
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Post by WahineFan44 on Jan 29, 2015 14:21:27 GMT -5
Yes, that and they just won a gold medal at the world championships, the single greatest achievement in USA womens volleyball history. USA sucked before 2010 so comparing current expectations with past performance of retired players is retarded, not that's a new thing for you. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. You are literally calling for plum to be USA setter, like she is the second coming of jesus, when she if my memory serves me correct, she isn't even starting on her mediocre pro team. While glass, who I have been critical of, has proven she has all the tools to be a great setter. There is a reason people mock you on this board. Its because unlike other members, you don't claim your views are opinions, you claim them as fact, no matter how idiotic they may be
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Post by kokyu on Jan 29, 2015 14:27:32 GMT -5
If you watch the entire match in which Destinee went down with the injury, there were maybe 4 or 5 occasions where she literally ended up on her hands and knees after an attack. Although her physical ability is world-class, her positioning, approach and footwork are not. Her injury was the result of landing on the opposing player's foot, but in reality, the longer she plays, after child-birth and as her body naturally gets a little older, it's just as likely that she could suffer a different type of injury stemming from her poor fundamentals. I don't think there's anything wrong with her having to land with her whole body, hands on floor, since her kill rate is so high. Plenty elite men do likewise if not as frequently but only because no male opp is as relied on as much as Hooker is. On a technical level her landing this way, forward, means she's getting on top of the ball which is better than players who land vertically and shank the ball out.
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Post by kokyu on Jan 29, 2015 14:28:21 GMT -5
USA sucked before 2010 so comparing current expectations with past performance of retired players is retarded, not that's a new thing for you. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. You are literally calling for plum to be USA setter, like she is the second coming of jesus, when she if my memory serves me correct, she isn't even starting on her mediocre pro team. While glass, who I have been critical of, has proven she has all the tools to be a great setter. There is a reason people mock you on this board. Its because unlike other members, you don't claim your views are opinions, you claim them as fact, no matter how idiotic they may be RIF
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Post by kokyu on Jan 29, 2015 14:31:26 GMT -5
Some of the posters just want to blame Karch for everything. You don't know the facts nor do I. Maybe one or two people on this thread may know the behind the scene story. And some poster live in the past of some players. Not many are knocking how good of players Tom or Hooker were and possibly still are. And right now, we don't know if Tom and Hooker are the best players in the world or USA team. But any coach will put the best players on the court. His job is to win. Just like any sports team or job in the corporate world. And our last team that was out on the court won the Gold at worlds. I pledge allegiance to the flag. Programming works!
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Post by kokyu on Jan 29, 2015 14:37:39 GMT -5
I just know if I were USA volleyball, I would be trying to repair the relationship in the best interest of her and USA volleyball. Almost missed this gem, "USA volleyball" like you're coddling, pandering to Karch by not referring to him directly. Some corporate pledge of allegiance spineless speak.
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Post by dorothymantooth on Jan 29, 2015 14:39:10 GMT -5
Yes, that and they just won a gold medal at the world championships, the single greatest achievement in USA womens volleyball history. USA sucked before 2010 so comparing current expectations with past performance of retired players is retarded, not that's a new thing for you. First off, the use of the word "retarded" is both immature and offensive. Now lets examine the US team "sucking" prior to 2010. The US won the olympic silver medal in 08, 5th in Athens and 4th in Sidney. That wouldnt in my opinion suggest they sucked.
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Post by kokyu on Jan 29, 2015 14:45:23 GMT -5
LOL like anyone would've bet money on medalling in 08.
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Post by dorothymantooth on Jan 29, 2015 14:53:23 GMT -5
LOL like anyone would've bet money on medalling in 08. I really don't have any idea of what you are talking about. You said they sucked prior to 2010 yet were silver medalists in 08. Generally when you make a strong statement you should be able to support it, not have the evidence show your statement is just simply wrong.
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Post by vbprisoner on Jan 29, 2015 15:36:26 GMT -5
Yes, that and they just won a gold medal at the world championships, the single greatest achievement in USA womens volleyball history. USA sucked before 2010 so comparing current expectations with past performance of retired players is retarded, not that's a new thing for you. Your statement is a bit broad and if you intended it to be then your facts are wrong. USA Volleyball became a top team in the world in the late 70's and were favored to win Gold in the 1980 Olympics until the US boycott. They were a top team for the next several years and came up short winning Silver in the 1984 Olympics. It would be safe to say that the term sucked could not be used in reference to before 2010.
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Post by #skoskers on Jan 29, 2015 16:38:20 GMT -5
Yes, that and they just won a gold medal at the world championships, the single greatest achievement in USA womens volleyball history. USA sucked before 2010 so comparing current expectations with past performance of retired players is retarded, not that's a new thing for you. First, a PSA: People still use "retarded" as an insult? IMO it's just as inappropriate as calling something "gay." Anyway, back to point: I actually agree with you that the future looked bleak for USA volleyball after 2008 until we replaced Nnamani and THP with Hooker, Kim Glass with Jordan Larson, Nellie Spicer with Alisha Glass, and DSA with Akinradewo. In 2010, 2011, and 2012, we won the Grand Prix, beating the same Brazilian gold medal roster for three straight years. Obviously the GP doesn't carry the same prestige as the quad tourneys, but look at USA's placement in the GP since the three consecutive championships without Hooker, Tom or Harmotto. In 2013 we went 9-5 and finished 6th, and in 2014 our record was 5-4 with a 6th-place finish. (Interestingly, everyone from the World Championship roster besides Harmotto started for the USA at last year's GP). Looking at the other tournaments, we finished second at the 2013 World Grand Championship Cup, but we only played six B-teams outside of the majority of Brazil's A-team. Also, Italy, Turkey, South Korea and China did not participate in that tourney, so the pool of competition was pretty weak. The only success we've had since the forced departure of Hooker and Tom was the first-place finish at the World Championship, because Italy beat Russia in the third round so we could advance after getting swept earlier by the Italians. We finally beat the Brazilian A-squad (I don't consider last year's friendly matches with the Brazilians to hold much weight). However, I believe that if we had to play the Italians and Brazilians 5 times again, we likely wouldn't come out on top. IMO both of the results from the 2012 Olympics and 2014 World Championships were shocking. I really don't believe anyone expected an undefeated USA team to lose to Brazil in the GM match. Likewise, I don't recall too many people thinking we would finish above the Brazilians, Italians or Chinese at the World Championships, and neither did Sunderland FWIW. Our wins against Brazil and China at the WCs were our best consecutive wins since our consistent performances prior to the gold medal match against Brazil at the Olympics. These two matches in the finals at the WCs are hardly enough to get me to believe that we’re better off without Hooker or Tom. I believe this year’s Grand Prix and World Cup will be important to gauge our current roster’s consistency at winning tournaments. Besides the addition of Banwarth over Davis and Miyashiro, I don't really consider Murphy, Hill, Robinson, Hildebrand, Adams or Gibbemeyer to be upgrades since the Olympics. I'm proud of Hill getting MVP at the World Championship, but the award should have gone to Kosheleva or Zhu Ting, both of whom were more consistent and dominant throughout the tournament.
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