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Post by WahineFan44 on Jan 29, 2015 23:07:16 GMT -5
I'd take it as a compliment, but I would also get annoyed pretty quickly. I know its not the case, but she comes off very "cocky" when I know its just her wanting everyone to play their best. Its like that group member who tries to be the leader, and will rub people the wrong with the things they do and say. There are many words to describe Logan. "Cocky" is not, nor has ever been one of them. She takes her JOB VERY, VERY, x infinity, seriously. Does she know that she's incredible at what she does? Absolutely. That's not cockiness. Is she an 'easy' teammate to play with? Surely not, and she would be the first person to tell you that. But, for everything you see on a broadcast, there is much more you don't see. She's a human being, and yes she has an edge. It's never been 'easy' for Logan, despite it seeming otherwise. She's had her fair share of personal struggles and failures and triumphs. When she gets on the court, no matter how old, at her prime or not, she expects to play the sport at the highest level. She gets frustrated, she has NO patience, but it's never personal with her. There was a reason I put "cocky" in quotations. Its because I dont think shes cocky, but maybe to others and her teammates, she comes off that way. Its not intentional, its just her "I need to do the best" attitude. Mind you, I have the UPMOST respect and admiration for one of the greatest volleyball players, not only in USA history, but in the world.
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Post by dorothymantooth on Jan 30, 2015 0:01:54 GMT -5
Does Karch have this kind of experience to work with Hooker and Tom? And very well stated about Kobe and Logan. Kobe is an egomaniac who has driven off every elite teammate he's ever had, and who no other star is interested in coming to L.A. to play with. Not a comparison I would use as a positive. Maybe LeBron (who, for all the stuff he takes, has always been a team-first guy) or CP3 would be a better fit. Also not a great comparison because Kobe won titles!
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Post by dorothymantooth on Jan 30, 2015 0:02:45 GMT -5
Question for those of you weighing in, If you took a poll of NT members who do you think they would prefer to play with, Tom or Hooker?
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Post by volleyguy on Jan 30, 2015 0:17:51 GMT -5
Question for those of you weighing in, If you took a poll of NT members who do you think they would prefer to play with, Tom or Hooker? If you polled the current NT members, the answer would clearly be a self-interested "None of the above" in order to not be riding the bench.
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Post by #skoskers on Jan 30, 2015 0:35:16 GMT -5
Question for those of you weighing in, If you took a poll of NT members who do you think they would prefer to play with, Tom or Hooker? As a spectator, I thought the USA ladies (besides Berg and Bown) acted like shaking dogs with their tails between their legs around Tom. At RC Cannes, Juliann Faucette looks like she would take a bullet for Logan just to get her attention and acceptance. With Hooker, it seemed like she got along with all of the NT players. Her teammates enthusiastically celebrated her kills and blocks, and she did the same for them. However, there were some bumps in the road, like the time Berg gave her some head:
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Post by WahineFan44 on Jan 30, 2015 1:58:11 GMT -5
Question for those of you weighing in, If you took a poll of NT members who do you think they would prefer to play with, Tom or Hooker? As a spectator, I thought the USA ladies (besides Berg and Bown) acted like shaking dogs with their tails between their legs around Tom. At RC Cannes, Juliann Faucette looks like she would take a bullet for Logan just to get her attention and acceptance. With Hooker, it seemed like she got along with all of the NT players. Her teammates enthusiastically celebrated her kills and blocks, and she did the same for them. However, there were some bumps in the road, like the time Berg gave her some head: Logans expression during that clip shows what USA was talking about. You can tell shes disappointed in her teammates. She wants to win, and it was a mistake. I think one thing logan needs to learn is patience. I understand she wants to be the best and pushes everyone, but everyone makes mistakes. Now, Im not an expert, so Im not claiming this with fact, this is just based on when I see her play.
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Post by volleyguy on Jan 30, 2015 2:17:43 GMT -5
As a spectator, I thought the USA ladies (besides Berg and Bown) acted like shaking dogs with their tails between their legs around Tom. At RC Cannes, Juliann Faucette looks like she would take a bullet for Logan just to get her attention and acceptance. With Hooker, it seemed like she got along with all of the NT players. Her teammates enthusiastically celebrated her kills and blocks, and she did the same for them. However, there were some bumps in the road, like the time Berg gave her some head: Logans expression during that clip shows what USA was talking about. You can tell shes disappointed in her teammates. She wants to win, and it was a mistake. I think one thing logan needs to learn is patience. I understand she wants to be the best and pushes everyone, but everyone makes mistakes. Now, Im not an expert, so Im not claiming this with fact, this is just based on when I see her play. What does Logan's patience have to do with this play? Hooker was oblivious to the fact that both Berg and the MB were backing up directly in her path and that the set wasn't meant for her, not to mention that she didn't even acknowledge, or apologize to, Berg after nearly breaking her back.
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Post by WahineFan44 on Jan 30, 2015 2:29:27 GMT -5
Logans expression during that clip shows what USA was talking about. You can tell shes disappointed in her teammates. She wants to win, and it was a mistake. I think one thing logan needs to learn is patience. I understand she wants to be the best and pushes everyone, but everyone makes mistakes. Now, Im not an expert, so Im not claiming this with fact, this is just based on when I see her play. What does Logan's patience have to do with this play? Hooker was oblivious to the fact that both Berg and the MB were backing up directly in her path and that the set wasn't meant for her, not to mention that she didn't even acknowledge, or apologize to, Berg after nearly breaking her back. Because even before hooker got up, you could see logan was irritated. I would be too, but still. You can tell from this clip alone that she has some issues, albeit not bad ones. Just ones that take getting used too. And im almost positive hooker apologized after. Any sensible human being would
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Post by volleyguy on Jan 30, 2015 2:40:07 GMT -5
Pause and play and you can see that Logan starts her approach, and stops because she sees Hooker take off (or more likely, the set stayed in the middle of the court). Logan circles back away from Hooker and towards Berg, and talks to Berg. Berg gets up and walks forward towards the net. You can see Hooker spring up and walk directly back without acknowledging Berg. Hooker kinda swings heir arms as she walks back and gets an encouragement low-five from Larson.
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Post by mplssetter on Jan 30, 2015 4:10:19 GMT -5
not to mention that she didn't even acknowledge, or apologize to, Berg after nearly breaking her back. Totally agree. That play has always rubbed me the wrong way.
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Post by VolleyTX on Jan 30, 2015 8:50:44 GMT -5
What does Logan's patience have to do with this play? Hooker was oblivious to the fact that both Berg and the MB were backing up directly in her path and that the set wasn't meant for her, not to mention that she didn't even acknowledge, or apologize to, Berg after nearly breaking her back. Because even before hooker got up, you could see logan was irritated. I would be too, but still. You can tell from this clip alone that she has some issues, albeit not bad ones. Just ones that take getting used too. And im almost positive hooker apologized after. Any sensible human being would Only someone who has decided that Tom is the root of all USA volleyball's problems would look at this play and try to place blame on Tom. If anyone is showing attitude in this play it is Hooker. Davis shanks a pass (shocker!) .... berg has a poorly located set..... Hooker steals Tom's ball..... yet Tom is the one in the wrong here. I just don't get it!
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Post by #skoskers on Jan 30, 2015 9:31:48 GMT -5
not to mention that she didn't even acknowledge, or apologize to, Berg after nearly breaking her back. Totally agree. That play has always rubbed me the wrong way. Like I said, there were some bumps in the road. I’d ask you guys, though, to watch the match that took place three days later against Brazil, in which we swept them and won the championship. All the ladies were communicating, smiling, and praising each other. Destinee looked to Berg after every kill and celebrated with her, and Tom was smiling more. I’ll be honest; I was curious if Larson and Hooker would get along after being long-standing rivals in the Big XII. I was pleasantly shocked to see Larson, Hooker and Akinradewo all getting along (perhaps they were in it together as the three newbies), and Jordan and Foluke are the best of friends now. Initially, it seemed like Kori Cooper, a Nebraska MB from Texas, forged a good bond between Hooker and Larson by tweeting these inspirational quotes and posting pics of them together after Longhorn-Husker matches when Destinee and Jordan were at these big, international tourneys.
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Post by #skoskers on Jan 30, 2015 9:39:09 GMT -5
Question for those of you weighing in, If you took a poll of NT members who do you think they would prefer to play with, Tom or Hooker? And to better answer your question, I don't think the girls who could be replaced by Tom or Hooker would vote in their favor. However, I think Harmotto, Larson, Akinradewo, and Glass wouldn't mind to see them return. Once they made the Olympics, the girls looked more comfortable around Tom. When Tom showed she was fallible (shanking passes, attacking into a block, or serving into the net) after two years of playing together, the girls seemed more comfortable shrugging off their own errors and committing to the next play. Tom was definitely smiling more at the Olympics and seemed to be enjoying her time and company, and likewise for her teammates.
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Post by volleyguy on Jan 30, 2015 9:44:50 GMT -5
Because even before hooker got up, you could see logan was irritated. I would be too, but still. You can tell from this clip alone that she has some issues, albeit not bad ones. Just ones that take getting used too. And im almost positive hooker apologized after. Any sensible human being would Only someone who has decided that Tom is the root of all USA volleyball's problems would look at this play and try to place blame on Tom. If anyone is showing attitude in this play it is Hooker. Davis shanks a pass (shocker!) .... LOL berg has a poorly located set..... It's hard to judge because both Berg and Bown clear the way for Tom, but judging from how Hooker actually touches the ball, the set may have gone almost straight up Hooker steals Tom's ball..... Hooker doesn't even take an approach when she nearly jumps over Berg, which is pretty remarkable. Hooker and Tom have completely different demeanors. I don't think Hooker didn't care. Perhaps she didn't apologize because she was embarrassed. I sure would have been. Or maybe she was dazed and confused. Everyone else was like wtf? yet Tom is the one in the wrong here. I just don't get it! wahinefan44 has company. You've probably seen it, but 50% of the people who participate in the experiment don't see the man in the gorilla suit. It's one of the minds tricks. www.theinvisiblegorilla.com/gorilla_experiment.html
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Post by dorothymantooth on Jan 30, 2015 10:22:32 GMT -5
Logans expression during that clip shows what USA was talking about. You can tell shes disappointed in her teammates. She wants to win, and it was a mistake. I think one thing logan needs to learn is patience. I understand she wants to be the best and pushes everyone, but everyone makes mistakes. Now, Im not an expert, so Im not claiming this with fact, this is just based on when I see her play. What does Logan's patience have to do with this play? Hooker was oblivious to the fact that both Berg and the MB were backing up directly in her path and that the set wasn't meant for her, not to mention that she didn't even acknowledge, or apologize to, Berg after nearly breaking her back. while you can analyze their responses or body language after, the play itself is a split second broken play in which Hooker tries to be aggressive like you would like players to be. I don't see any fault anywhere. The ball is in a grey area, Hooker tries to rip it. Tom's look is pretty typical Tom, Hooker slaps a players hand (Larson?) but you can tell she is pretty peeved. Would've been nice if anyone showed any concern for Berg.
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