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Post by WahineFan44 on Feb 20, 2015 1:48:11 GMT -5
What programs and or coaches are the best at developing talent. If I had to list 4
Jmac
Shoji
Rose
Moore
Now I know Rose gets the cream of the crop recruits, so it may not be developing talent, but hes damn good at making these girls into all stars.
People like Moore, Shoji and Jmac may not always get the top ten talent USC, Stanford, Penn state and texas do, but they always seem to produce All Americans. Moore turned bergsma, who wasn't that high on senior ace list to a 1st team AA and POY.
Shoji has taken girls like Emily Hartong, and made them into absolute monsters.
Jmac is also famous for taking girls like Thompson, Miyashiro etc, and making them into AA as well.
So who in your opinion, is the best at developing talent.
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Post by spalding on Feb 20, 2015 1:54:35 GMT -5
What programs and or coaches are the best at developing talent. If I had to list 4 Jmac Shoji Rose Moore Now I know Rose gets the cream of the crop recruits, so it may not be developing talent, but hes damn good at making these girls into all stars. People like Moore, Shoji and Jmac may not always get the top ten talent USC, Stanford, Penn state and texas do, but they always seem to produce All Americans. Moore turned bergsma, who wasn't that high on senior ace list to a 1st team AA and POY. Shoji has taken girls like Emily Hartong, and made them into absolute monsters. Jmac is also famous for taking girls like Thompson, Miyashiro etc, and making them into AA as well. So who in your opinion, is the best at developing talent. Three Huskers on the current USA Team. |
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Post by WahineFan44 on Feb 20, 2015 1:56:47 GMT -5
What programs and or coaches are the best at developing talent. If I had to list 4 Jmac Shoji Rose Moore Now I know Rose gets the cream of the crop recruits, so it may not be developing talent, but hes damn good at making these girls into all stars. People like Moore, Shoji and Jmac may not always get the top ten talent USC, Stanford, Penn state and texas do, but they always seem to produce All Americans. Moore turned bergsma, who wasn't that high on senior ace list to a 1st team AA and POY. Shoji has taken girls like Emily Hartong, and made them into absolute monsters. Jmac is also famous for taking girls like Thompson, Miyashiro etc, and making them into AA as well. So who in your opinion, is the best at developing talent. Three Huskers on the current USA Team. And Cook developed two of them, one who I believe was VERY highly recruited out of high school, the number 2 recruit in fact. Robinson was an already accomplished player, who did get better under cook, but not by leaps and bounds. I don't doubt Cook is exceptional at what he does, but its not like he doesn't get his fair share of talent. I mean, besides hall and justine, his entire starting lineup with be compromised of top 20 talent with two being ranked in the top 10, and most likely 3 with foecke. |
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Post by bigfan on Feb 20, 2015 10:55:39 GMT -5
Rose.....................
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Post by #skoskers on Feb 20, 2015 11:13:23 GMT -5
Three Huskers on the current USA Team. And Cook developed two of them, one who I believe was VERY highly recruited out of high school, the number 2 recruit in fact. Robinson was an already accomplished player, who did get better under cook, but not by leaps and bounds. I don't doubt Cook is exceptional at what he does, but its not like he doesn't get his fair share of talent. I mean, besides hall and justine, his entire starting lineup with be compromised of top 20 talent with two being ranked in the top 10, and most likely 3 with foecke. Kayla Banwarth, Melissa Elmer (NCAA record holder for blocks), Christina Houghtelling (2005 NPOY), Brooke Delano... |
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Post by deathfromabove on Feb 20, 2015 11:34:10 GMT -5
This seems like a relatively logical formula for determining who "develops talent" the best. Take final finish for a team (NCAA finish) and compare that to the average recruiting class rank of the 4 years represented on the roster. i.e. 2014 finish compared to average recruiting class rank for (2014, 2013, 2012, 2011). Obviously things like redshirting and subjectivity to recruiting class would skew things slightly, but I'd be interested to see who has accomplished more with less.
Developing talent to play on the national team is obviously an impressive feat. I think players can develop 2-3 years down the road based on what they are currently taught. All reflective of a players learning curve and potential.
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Post by deathfromabove on Feb 20, 2015 12:09:59 GMT -5
I spent a little more time on this and more thought. There are so many factors that go into a teams finish during the NCAA tournament: draw, luck, who is hot at the time, etc. There are teams that generally do well so simply taking their average finish would suffice for the sake of argument. Rosters will also be skewed by transfers since they aren't considered by recruiting classes. Using this years NCAA finish compared to their average recruiting class over the last 4 years. This is what I came up with:
(NCAA Finish:Recruiting Class)
1. PSU: 2.3
2. BYU: 60.6
3. Stanford: 8.75
3. Texas: 2.6
5. North Carolina 51
5. Wisconsin 16.8
5. Florida 14
5. Nebraska 9
9. Washington 6.5
9. Oregon State 53
9. Illinois 16
9. Florida State 23.25
9. Oregon 14.5
9. UCLA 23.25
9. Ohio State 21.25
9. Colorado State 65.25
Average these numbers out over a few years and you may something. Obviously BYU did the most this year with the least. Colorado State and North Carolina are other teams that did well relative to their recruiting class rank.
I wouldn't take anything away from teams that have high recruiting classes and finished "below" their rank.... but developing talent and bringing a program up from the depths is impressive, and that's what I consider developing talent as. Developing talent and managing talent are two separate things and both are equally impressive in my opinion.
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Post by ballervolley on Feb 20, 2015 15:18:12 GMT -5
What programs and or coaches are the best at developing talent. If I had to list 4 Jmac Shoji Rose Moore Now I know Rose gets the cream of the crop recruits, so it may not be developing talent, but hes damn good at making these girls into all stars. People like Moore, Shoji and Jmac may not always get the top ten talent USC, Stanford, Penn state and texas do, but they always seem to produce All Americans. Moore turned bergsma, who wasn't that high on senior ace list to a 1st team AA and POY. Shoji has taken girls like Emily Hartong, and made them into absolute monsters. Jmac is also famous for taking girls like Thompson, Miyashiro etc, and making them into AA as well. So who in your opinion, is the best at developing talent. Three Huskers on the current USA Team. not for long hopefully |
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Post by WahineFan44 on Feb 20, 2015 15:21:45 GMT -5
And Cook developed two of them, one who I believe was VERY highly recruited out of high school, the number 2 recruit in fact. Robinson was an already accomplished player, who did get better under cook, but not by leaps and bounds. I don't doubt Cook is exceptional at what he does, but its not like he doesn't get his fair share of talent. I mean, besides hall and justine, his entire starting lineup with be compromised of top 20 talent with two being ranked in the top 10, and most likely 3 with foecke. Kayla Banwarth, Melissa Elmer (NCAA record holder for blocks), Christina Houghtelling (2005 NPOY), Brooke Delano... Melissa elmer led her club team to hold at the junior olympics, so I'm almost positive she was highly recruited. I don't know what rank christina was, but brooke was 25, so pretty high up, not exactly a diamond in the rough, but still a good player. So ill give cook that. Again, I'm not saying cook is bad at developing talent, but he doesn't get the recruits that hawaii and oregon do. Even Jmac. Washington makes the best at what they get, and so does oregon and hawaii and makes them into AA. Russ gets the cream of the crop, but every top recruit he gets that STARTS, usually becomes an All American. Cook can't say the same thing IMO |
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Post by #skoskers on Feb 20, 2015 15:22:45 GMT -5
Three Huskers on the current USA Team. not for long hopefully IKR, once Kadie, Justine and Briana graduate, we'll change that number to six.  |
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Post by WahineFan44 on Feb 20, 2015 15:25:36 GMT -5
IKR, once Kadie, Justine and Briana graduate, we'll change that number to six. Briana is good, but I don't see her on the national team, and unless she becomes foluke good, I wouldn't attribute her success to nebraksa, considering she's coming in as a first teamer. And I doubt kadie has any long term future with the national team. She's good in college, but not outstanding. And with people like HILL, murphy, Larson, etc in their prime right now, I doubt kadie will make any big roster. Now Justine has a legit shot. That girl is scary good. |
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Post by ballervolley on Feb 20, 2015 15:29:50 GMT -5
IKR, once Kadie, Justine and Briana graduate, we'll change that number to six. libero for libero won't change the number |
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Post by #skoskers on Feb 20, 2015 15:41:44 GMT -5
Kayla Banwarth, Melissa Elmer (NCAA record holder for blocks), Christina Houghtelling (2005 NPOY), Brooke Delano... Melissa elmer led her club team to hold at the junior olympics, so I'm almost positive she was highly recruited. I don't know what rank christina was, but brooke was 25, so pretty high up, not exactly a diamond in the rough, but still a good player. So ill give cook that. Again, I'm not saying cook is bad at developing talent, but he doesn't get the recruits that hawaii and oregon do. Even Jmac. Washington makes the best at what they get, and so does oregon and hawaii and makes them into AA. Russ gets the cream of the crop, but every top recruit he gets that STARTS, usually becomes an All American. Cook can't say the same thing IMO FWIW Jordan said Cook was one of her best coaches she's ever had when she came back to a red-white scrimmage or during a break from playing overseas when she practiced with the team. I remember how Cook talked about how Jordan really improved her digging/passing at the banquet in her senior year, and how she developed into the best player to ever graduate from Nebraska volleyball, so there's that... Regardless of ranks, you obviously have no idea how much Cook had to work with Elmer to develop her into an AA and set the NCAA record for blocks. Ask any Husker fan who followed the team during her years, and they'll remember article after article in the newspapers about Cook talking about how Elmer was the type of player he didn't give up on. He said after her freshman year that she would likely ride the bench unless he could inspire her to greatness, and clearly he succeeded as she had standout junior and senior years. Banwarth and Houghtelling are two examples that can't be neglected. Neither was ranked high coming out of HS, yet they became judged to be the best at their position at some point in their careers. Banwarth is now our starting libero on the NT, and Houghtelling earned NPOY in 2005. BOOM! And outside of Broekhuis, I can't think of a top recruit that started at Nebraska that never got AA honors. Can you? |
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Post by #skoskers on Feb 20, 2015 15:44:01 GMT -5
IKR, once Kadie, Justine and Briana graduate, we'll change that number to six. libero for libero won't change the number I'm sure Banwarth will still be around, similar to the way Karch keeps Davis on the team. |
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Post by vbprisoner on Feb 20, 2015 15:47:07 GMT -5
I just don't see JWO being on the NT. She is good, but there are so many out there like Hagglund, Hann, and others that are fighting for an opportunity.
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