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Post by fetchin on Apr 8, 2015 2:56:41 GMT -5
I dont see what's so special about Anderson. Brinkley gets first team. Kanetake second team. Hawaii will get more than just 2 all americans.
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Post by soljah808 on Apr 8, 2015 4:45:47 GMT -5
Kanetake is the reason Hawaii's back row defense has been on point all season long. And he has been doing it with a slight back injury that has hopefully healed. Everyone has injuries. Everyone plays through them. He only say against San Diego because they are a subpar team. Kanetake does get digs, but he blows a lot of digs also. He is too small and everything looks extended. He makes good moves sure, but larger Libero steps and and gets a ball kanetake sprawls through. Exciting, but overall... He also hs overpasses many many free balls. I've seen it and read it several times on this site. The most important aspect of a Libero is service receive. Digging is good, but your offense depends on being in system. Evan mottram was AA two years ago, although getting only just above 2 digs per set, he was solid in serve receive. Anderson and Brinkley are much more superior in serve receive, therefore knocking kanetake out of the conversation. I would give hawaii some credit, siki and averill will be AA, but sedore does not quite match la Cavera or kalmbach, so I don't think he will get it. Blows a lot of digs? Kanetake has 222 digs in just 80 sets with a 2.78 digs per set average. Anderson has 224 digs in 94 sets with a 2.33 digs per set average. Serve receive you ask? Kanetake has 25 reception errors with 407 totally attempts and a .939 average. Anderson has 24 reception errors on 557 total attempts with a .959 average. Why the difference in total attempts? Because unlike Pepperdine, Hawaii has multiple players that has great handles in its serve receive game that it doesn't have to depend so heavily on its libero to cover a lot more court than he needs too. Brinkley is in his own league as far as I'm concerned. But Kanetake can easily compete against Anderson and hold his own. And about his height? Well, he can't do much about that....... Kanetake is under valued when compared with other liberos around the country. But he straps up his boot straps, goes to work and then clocks out without expectations for any recognition. Even though I personally believe he does and then some.
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Post by socalvb8 on Apr 8, 2015 9:49:05 GMT -5
Anderson is a far superior libero in every sense...forget about the stats and actually watch some matches. Andersen has way more of a presence on the court and is so solid on serve receive. In any other year without a Shoji or Brinkley, he is a definite first team selection. I think Hawaii could have any libero in the top half of the mpsf and still be on top.
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Post by preschooler on Apr 8, 2015 11:04:39 GMT -5
Walsh is hitting .466 with less KPS, while averill is hitting .505 with more kps. Averill also has more kills per set. So no, their hitting percentages aren't virtually the same. My apologies, I was wrong. Lewis has their current stats listed for the 2013 season it's ok, your point still applies. averill is hitting at about the same clip as walsh, on far more attempts. averill's kills per set (2.98) is nearly twice walsh's (1.51). far more impressive to be hitting over .500 when you're relied upon so much more... Agreed Averill carries a big load impressively. My point was more to the poster who was saying other middles not deserving.
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Post by soljah808 on Apr 8, 2015 11:26:44 GMT -5
Anderson is a far superior libero in every sense...forget about the stats and actually watch some matches. Andersen has way more of a presence on the court and is so solid on serve receive. In any other year without a Shoji or Brinkley, he is a definite first team selection. I think Hawaii could have any libero in the top half of the mpsf and still be on top. He has way more presence on the court because Pepperdine NEEDS HIM to do that. Hawaii doesnt need to rely so heavily on its libero because they have others in the back row that can hold their own in serve receive, defense, and passing. So yes, if we actually go away from STATS....then you seem to prove your point. Otherwise, stats say otherwise and Kanetake is better than you give him credit for. Which is why I say people UNDER VALUE him many times.
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Post by preschooler on Apr 8, 2015 12:26:04 GMT -5
Libero IMO is the hardest to discuss digging stats are available but no passing stats and for me it takes a lot of eye test time to get a sense of the role/ load because it is generally only their screw ups that end a play. It is like that big wave that hits you and knocks you over. Those only come so often but they stand out to the eye so I think you can be easily biased one way or another by a spectacular play or fail more so than any other position.
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Post by timduckforlife on Apr 8, 2015 16:48:26 GMT -5
S - Micah Christenson, Matt West, Jonah Seif OH - Tamir Hershko, Josh Taylor, Thomas Jaeshke, Jake Langlois, Geoff Powell MB - Taylor Averill, Nick Olson, Jason Agopian, Robert Feathers Opp - Zach La Cavera, Parker Kalmbach L - Brinkley, Anderson, Reyes FOY - Arnitz, Jendryk definitely a little premature for Langlois. Give him 2 years and he might be POY. Potential is huge, but I don't think he's an All-American yet.
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Post by vbsocal56 on Apr 8, 2015 18:05:59 GMT -5
Everyone has injuries. Everyone plays through them. He only say against San Diego because they are a subpar team. Kanetake does get digs, but he blows a lot of digs also. He is too small and everything looks extended. He makes good moves sure, but larger Libero steps and and gets a ball kanetake sprawls through. Exciting, but overall... He also hs overpasses many many free balls. I've seen it and read it several times on this site. The most important aspect of a Libero is service receive. Digging is good, but your offense depends on being in system. Evan mottram was AA two years ago, although getting only just above 2 digs per set, he was solid in serve receive. Anderson and Brinkley are much more superior in serve receive, therefore knocking kanetake out of the conversation. I would give hawaii some credit, siki and averill will be AA, but sedore does not quite match la Cavera or kalmbach, so I don't think he will get it. Blows a lot of digs? Kanetake has 222 digs in just 80 sets with a 2.78 digs per set average. Anderson has 224 digs in 94 sets with a 2.33 digs per set average. Serve receive you ask? Kanetake has 25 reception errors with 407 totally attempts and a .939 average. Anderson has 24 reception errors on 557 total attempts with a .959 average. Why the difference in total attempts? Because unlike Pepperdine, Hawaii has multiple players that has great handles in its serve receive game that it doesn't have to depend so heavily on its libero to cover a lot more court than he needs too. Brinkley is in his own league as far as I'm concerned. But Kanetake can easily compete against Anderson and hold his own. And about his height? Well, he can't do much about that....... Kanetake is under valued when compared with other liberos around the country. But he straps up his boot straps, goes to work and then clocks out without expectations for any recognition. Even though I personally believe he does and then some. Reception errors are when they get aced. Teams don't release the numbers on the 3 point scale. 0 being an ace, 1 being a bad pass, 2 being an ok pass, and 3 being a dime. Anderson is superior in this method of judging passing. Also Anderson digs less balls because his team is beastly at the net.
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Post by ramblingdrifter on Apr 8, 2015 18:23:45 GMT -5
Anderson did also literally dig arnitz off the court against ucla. dont think kanetake quite did that himself.
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Post by Cubicle No More ... on Apr 8, 2015 18:26:13 GMT -5
Blows a lot of digs? Kanetake has 222 digs in just 80 sets with a 2.78 digs per set average. Anderson has 224 digs in 94 sets with a 2.33 digs per set average. Serve receive you ask? Kanetake has 25 reception errors with 407 totally attempts and a .939 average. Anderson has 24 reception errors on 557 total attempts with a .959 average. Why the difference in total attempts? Because unlike Pepperdine, Hawaii has multiple players that has great handles in its serve receive game that it doesn't have to depend so heavily on its libero to cover a lot more court than he needs too. Brinkley is in his own league as far as I'm concerned. But Kanetake can easily compete against Anderson and hold his own. And about his height? Well, he can't do much about that....... Kanetake is under valued when compared with other liberos around the country. But he straps up his boot straps, goes to work and then clocks out without expectations for any recognition. Even though I personally believe he does and then some. Reception errors are when they get aced. Teams don't release the numbers on the 3 point scale. 0 being an ace, 1 being a bad pass, 2 being an ok pass, and 3 being a dime. Anderson is superior in this method of judging passing. Also Anderson digs less balls because his team is beastly at the net. pepperdine and hawaii have comparable blocking stats ... with hawaii slightly ahead: hawaii, 2.9 team blocks per set pepperdine, 2.5
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Post by Cubicle No More ... on Apr 8, 2015 18:37:26 GMT -5
Anderson did also literally dig arnitz off the court against ucla. dont think kanetake quite did that himself. the standard should be how both liberos did against a single player? i mean, a really good freshmen, for sure ... but still, a freshmen nonetheless, who has had bouts of inconsistency as he adjusts to the college game.
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Post by soljah808 on Apr 8, 2015 18:45:15 GMT -5
Anderson did also literally dig arnitz off the court against ucla. dont think kanetake quite did that himself. I doubt Kanetake needed to dig Arnitz off the court himself when he was a supporting cast that do it as a collective group. But it does bring up this question: So now we are drawing comparisons based off of how each dug a freshman?lmao ummmmmm......ok. You are grasping for straws now.
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Post by socalvb8 on Apr 8, 2015 18:45:34 GMT -5
Anderson did also literally dig arnitz off the court against ucla. dont think kanetake quite did that himself. the standard should be how both liberos did against a single player? i mean, a really good freshmen, for sure ... but still, a freshmen nonetheless, who has had bouts of inconsistency as he adjusts to the college game. please choose a standard, any standard and compare the two. There isn't a single skill that contributes to a libero's success that Kanetake has the advantage in over Andersen.
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Post by soljah808 on Apr 8, 2015 18:50:38 GMT -5
Reception errors are when they get aced. Teams don't release the numbers on the 3 point scale. 0 being an ace, 1 being a bad pass, 2 being an ok pass, and 3 being a dime. Anderson is superior in this method of judging passing. Also Anderson digs less balls because his team is beastly at the net. pepperdine and hawaii have comparable blocking stats ... with hawaii slightly ahead: hawaii, 2.9 team blocks per set pepperdine, 2.5 Notice how they tend to over state things...then you dish out facts and STATS....after which they try to go at it from another angle.lmfao
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Post by Cubicle No More ... on Apr 8, 2015 19:04:08 GMT -5
the standard should be how both liberos did against a single player? i mean, a really good freshmen, for sure ... but still, a freshmen nonetheless, who has had bouts of inconsistency as he adjusts to the college game. please choose a standard, any standard and compare the two. There isn't a single skill that contributes to a libero's success that Kanetake has the advantage in over Andersen. more than a few "standards" have been offered so far in this thread. kanetake appears to have the better digging stats, while anderson the better passing stats. the "eye test" has also been offered as a standard. that's a long way from saying anderson has the advantage over kanetake in every measure of a libero's success. some posters are going to give greater weight to certain factors over others, often in an effort to bolster their favorite. i would gladly take any of the other measures above ... even the "eye test" ... but not how each libero did against a specific player. i think even you would agree that's would not be anywhere close to a good way to measure the overall resume of a libero.
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