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Post by Wahinevball1234 on Apr 26, 2015 20:50:24 GMT -5
With the regular season over and the post season just starting, I was wondering what people's thoughts on Charlie Wade were. Obviously, the last few seasons had been subpar to say the least, but this year has been an outstanding year for Hawaii volleyball regardless of how it ends up in the post season. Last year, people on Volleytalk had an inclination to trash Charlie Wade, but it is hard to argue against the Hawaii win streak and the awesome 2015 recruiting class containing three members of the USA Youth National team. So, I was wondering peoples thoughts as of right now.
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Post by ACE on Apr 26, 2015 22:15:17 GMT -5
With the regular season over and the post season just starting, I was wondering what people's thoughts on Charlie Wade were. Obviously, the last few seasons had been subpar to say the least, but this year has been an outstanding year for Hawaii volleyball regardless of how it ends up in the post season. Last year, people on Volleytalk had an inclination to trash Charlie Wade, but it is hard to argue against the Hawaii win streak and the awesome 2015 recruiting class containing three members of the USA Youth National team. So, I was wondering peoples thoughts as of right now. I still think it's hard to say. This year, Hawaii is playing really well, but you have to look at the opponents as well. In my opinion, a lot of schools lost key players, while Hawaii did not, so in some ways Hawaii got lucky. Also, this year marks the first year Hawaii's starters have stayed with the team from the get go (Sedore, Siki, Averil, Holt, and at times Hartley). I'm not sure if Wade had the luxury of players (particularly starters) stay their entire time (JP Marks, Umlauf, Welch (not sure if he was here during Wade's era). From that standpoint, in my opinion, Wade is an "Ok" coach because his players under his leadership has gotten better. As a team, they are playing much better. You'd like to have more consistency in terms of being a top team, but can't fault Wade when recruits leave after two seasons. There's no continuity.
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Post by soljah808 on Apr 27, 2015 2:06:12 GMT -5
With the regular season over and the post season just starting, I was wondering what people's thoughts on Charlie Wade were. Obviously, the last few seasons had been subpar to say the least, but this year has been an outstanding year for Hawaii volleyball regardless of how it ends up in the post season. Last year, people on Volleytalk had an inclination to trash Charlie Wade, but it is hard to argue against the Hawaii win streak and the awesome 2015 recruiting class containing three members of the USA Youth National team. So, I was wondering peoples thoughts as of right now. I still think it's hard to say. This year, Hawaii is playing really well, but you have to look at the opponents as well. In my opinion, a lot of schools lost key players, while Hawaii did not, so in some ways Hawaii got lucky. Also, this year marks the first year Hawaii's starters have stayed with the team from the get go (Sedore, Siki, Averil, Holt, and at times Hartley). I'm not sure if Wade had the luxury of players (particularly starters) stay their entire time (JP Marks, Umlauf, Welch (not sure if he was here during Wade's era). From that standpoint, in my opinion, Wade is an "Ok" coach because his players under his leadership has gotten better. As a team, they are playing much better. You'd like to have more consistency in terms of being a top team, but can't fault Wade when recruits leave after two seasons. There's no continuity. I have to agree....at least from year to year....it is obvious his players if they stick around long enough....have gotten better as the years have gone on. Just taking this Senior class as an example: This is the records from 2012-2015 2012: 7-20 2013: 11-17 2014: 15-12 2015: 24-5 From the beginning till now.....players like Sedore, Averill, and Holt have improved over the years in leaps and bounds! If he can keep a core group of players from the beginning....I'm liking the chances when they become seniors.
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Post by roy on Apr 27, 2015 2:22:32 GMT -5
I really like Wade as a coach. I certainly don't think he is the best coach out there, but I think he is certainly a very good coach. I feel there are problems when talking about Wade.
To start, Shoji has set such a high standard for Hawaii volleyball. The men's team will always been compared to the standard Shoji set with the women and it's not a very fair comparison, mainly because of the parity in men's volleyball. 2014 marked a "down" year for the women, but they still got 2nd place in the conference, an invite to the NCAA tournament, and top 25 ranking at the end of the season. Or 2004 when Hawaii lost all starters except Kamanao and still won the WAC and made it to the regionals. A down year for a men's team in the MPSF means a losing record and not even making it to the MPSF tournament and the best coaches have not been immune to that.
So, with that said, like ACE says, we'll have to wait and see. I think this year does prove that he is able to get to the top of the conference. We'll see how he does for the rest of the year and in keeping Hawaii up there.
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Post by WahineFan44 on Apr 27, 2015 3:32:12 GMT -5
Who are the 3 recruits that were on the youth national team?
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Post by mvolleyfoll on Apr 27, 2015 7:57:35 GMT -5
The Youth National team players were Joe Worsley Pacific Rim Campolindo (CA) S/L Pat Gasman Pacific Rim Buchanan (CA) MH Brett Rosenmeier Coastal Frank W Cox (VA) OH/OP
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Post by vbsocal56 on Apr 27, 2015 9:05:06 GMT -5
The Youth National team players were Joe Worsley Pacific Rim Campolindo (CA) S/L Pat Gasman Pacific Rim Buchanan (CA) MH Brett Rosenmeier Coastal Frank W Cox (VA) OH/OP I really only see Gasman having success and Worsley if he is playing libero and not setting.
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Post by mvolleyfoll on Apr 27, 2015 9:30:03 GMT -5
So you are basing Rosenmeier's lack of Success on the fact he does not play in California. He is probably the best player in many years to come out of Virignia and was being recruited by all the big name programs.
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Post by vbsocal56 on Apr 27, 2015 9:59:35 GMT -5
When you are 6'5 and athletic as an outside hitter you look really good when playing against others you're age. The MPSF is a whole different beast. He's going to need a bit of time to develop.
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Post by soljah808 on Apr 27, 2015 16:52:13 GMT -5
When you are 6'5 and athletic as an outside hitter you look really good when playing against others you're age. The MPSF is a whole different beast. He's going to need a bit of time to develop. He is going to prove people like you WRONG....mark my words.
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Post by Cubicle No More ... on Apr 27, 2015 17:01:22 GMT -5
i think part of the issue has been with recruiting. it's taken him some time to really get into a recruiting groove, and to find success in the W/L column as a result of his recruiting efforts. this next year's class (for 2015) is probably the first solid recruiting class that wade and his staff have been able to put together.
but consider that wade has been coach since 2009. that's a long time for a coach to really get comfortable recruiting-wise. that's probably where coming from the women's side of the game really set him back.
wade achieved some success initially (in 2010), but that was largely based on the players and recruits he inherited from wilton. plus, as others (like soljah) have mentioned, he hasn't been able to hold on to the "impact" players (like umlauft or marks). instead, wade has been able to piece together recruiting classes from a handful of freshmen, transfers and a handful of other foreign recruits. he may always have to go this route to compete with the best teams in the mpsf, but this upcoming class is the first time i've seen him put together a recruiting class with multiple heralded freshmen.
i don't know how much of that was due to hall (who i understand played a big role in recruiting). i hope the recruiting success continues. i also hope with players like fey staying home, that more of the top local recruits will give hawaii a good look as well. wade doesn't need all the top talent to stay home, but ones that will fit in well with the mix of mainland and foreign recruits that he is able to get and will likely be the foundation of all hawaii teams.
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Post by peppprep on Apr 27, 2015 19:07:46 GMT -5
i think part of the issue has been with recruiting. it's taken him some time to really get into a recruiting groove, and to find success in the W/L column as a result of his recruiting efforts. this next year's class (for 2015) is probably the first solid recruiting class that wade and his staff have been able to put together. but consider that wade has been coach since 2009. that's a long time for a coach to really get comfortable recruiting-wise. that's probably where coming from the women's side of the game really set him back. wade achieved some success initially (in 2010), but that was largely based on the players and recruits he inherited from wilton. plus, as others (like soljah) have mentioned, he hasn't been able to hold on to the "impact" players (like umlauft or marks). instead, wade has been able to piece together recruiting classes from a handful of freshmen, transfers and a handful of other foreign recruits. he may always have to go this route to compete with the best teams in the mpsf, but this upcoming class is the first time i've seen him put together a recruiting class with multiple heralded freshmen. i don't know how much of that was due to hall (who i understand played a big role in recruiting). i hope the recruiting success continues. i also hope with players like fey staying home, that more of the top local recruits will give hawaii a good look as well. wade doesn't need all the top talent to stay home, but ones that will fit in well with the mix of mainland and foreign recruits that he is able to get and will likely be the foundation of all hawaii teams. Let's not forget that Franciskovic and Fey are both Junior/Youth National Team Pipeline players as well as Mol with his National Beach experience for the 2013 Recruits. I'd say they're having an impact and equivalent to the 2015 ones
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Post by Cubicle No More ... on Apr 27, 2015 19:57:07 GMT -5
i think part of the issue has been with recruiting. it's taken him some time to really get into a recruiting groove, and to find success in the W/L column as a result of his recruiting efforts. this next year's class (for 2015) is probably the first solid recruiting class that wade and his staff have been able to put together. but consider that wade has been coach since 2009. that's a long time for a coach to really get comfortable recruiting-wise. that's probably where coming from the women's side of the game really set him back. wade achieved some success initially (in 2010), but that was largely based on the players and recruits he inherited from wilton. plus, as others (like soljah) have mentioned, he hasn't been able to hold on to the "impact" players (like umlauft or marks). instead, wade has been able to piece together recruiting classes from a handful of freshmen, transfers and a handful of other foreign recruits. he may always have to go this route to compete with the best teams in the mpsf, but this upcoming class is the first time i've seen him put together a recruiting class with multiple heralded freshmen. i don't know how much of that was due to hall (who i understand played a big role in recruiting). i hope the recruiting success continues. i also hope with players like fey staying home, that more of the top local recruits will give hawaii a good look as well. wade doesn't need all the top talent to stay home, but ones that will fit in well with the mix of mainland and foreign recruits that he is able to get and will likely be the foundation of all hawaii teams. Let's not forget that Franciskovic and Fey are both Junior/Youth National Team Pipeline players as well as Mol with his National Beach experience for the 2013 Recruits. I'd say they're having an impact and equivalent to the 2015 ones thanks, for the slight correction! still though this 2015 class is a big one ... and even then the 2013 class is a little ways off from when wade became head coach in 2009. the point remains, it took wade a little while to get his recruiting legs under him, and that's probably why the results suffered the last few years. there was a gap in "successful" recruiting. and wade had to rely on a young lineup. i think the OP was asking what, if any, will fans' perception of wade change after this season... of course, this year they're reaping the benefits of that core group that has played has matured together to produce this year's results, including the contributions of fey and jennings!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2015 22:26:42 GMT -5
When you are 6'5 and athletic as an outside hitter you look really good when playing against others you're age. The MPSF is a whole different beast. He's going to need a bit of time to develop. That has to be why UCLA/Men's National Team coach John Speraw was aggressively recruiting Rosenmeier. I guess he couldn't find the talent he was looking for in SOCAL! Makes you wonder, HUH!!!!!!!! OH, BTW, must be why the number one collegiate volleyball team is NOT in SOCAL, nor the defending National Champion!
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Post by aaronic on Apr 28, 2015 6:10:32 GMT -5
If you were to analyze this...
Wade took over at the end of the 2009 season, which was a losing season if I remember correctly. Like with any other sport, when a new coach comes in to try and build a (winning) program from nearly zero, you have to give it time. The fact that Wade had that much luck in his first year was almost a fluke, in terms of being a head coach coming into your first season with no players whom you've recruited whatsoever. He was lucky that the program (under the Wilton era) already had secured Umlauft. Plus, if I remember correctly, there a handful of Seniors who seemed to have stuck around, even through a new coaching staff. So, the 2010 season is very difficult to judge.
Even 2011, I can't remember any of Wade's recruits playing; they still did decent (thanks to Umlauft).
Then in 2012, after Umlauft left is when Wade's actual recruits started in the program. They have developed well if you're judging by their success this year as Seniors. 2012 was a bad year. But then, qualifying for the 2013 MPSF Tournmaent, considering most of the talent on the team were still comprised of underclassmen, i'd consider it OK.
In 2014, that was probably Wade's worst point if you're judging him on his coaching, because the team took a step down. For whatever reason, I remember the team practically choking during most of the matches throughout the 2014 season, that is something to consider. Last season wasn't a good one.
But this year, so far, making the Semifinals of the MPSFs AND hosting the first round is a nice accomplishment, and obviously a highlight in Wade's career.
So, after looking at all of this, first, Wade was lucky to inherit the players he had in his first two seasons. Then considering that the players his coaching staff recruited really started in 2012 (only four seasons ago), and how those individual players (and teams) have progressed since then is what should be looked at. So, as others have already mentioned, it's still a little too early to tell if he is a good coach. I'd say give it two to three more seasons.
Although there is a lot of parity in the mens game (esp. in the MPSF), looking at how teams like Pepperdine, BYU, LBSU, and recently UCI are consistently good (consistently qualifying for the MPSFs) should be no excuse to use the strength of other teams in conference, or parity as a reason to judge success. By the way, UCI, what a tremendous job Speraw, and now Kniffin have done with that program! I wish Wade would be able to do the same for UH, but only time will tell.
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