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Post by #skoskers on May 6, 2015 20:08:04 GMT -5
You tried this tactic when Briana was choosing between Nebraska, PSU, Washington and Wisconsin. The implication that Nebraska isn't appealing to minority recruits is insulting to iconic greats like Cepero, Nepo, and Saleaumua, our current players, Wong-Orantes and Holman, as well as recruits, Tiani Reeves and Chesney McClellan. Perhaps an even bigger deterrent to a prospect minority student in 2015 would be the very saddening and disappointing police shootings of unarmed black men (Toni Robinson in Madison, WI, and Frank Ernest Shepherd in Houston, TX) in some communities around the country. You act like Holman or Ebony seek out my advice when making their decisions. I wish I had such power. Anyway, you can take my comments how you want, but I stand 100% by that I said in both. I think for you to suggest that Nebraska as program doesn't have some sort of chip on it's shoulder when it comes to minority recruits is ignoring the obvious. Yes, minorities HAVE played for the program, that actually wasn't my point, and, even if we are going there, there is like a 10 year gap between Jen S. and Wong Orantes...you can count the number of minorities in the Nebraska program in the last 15-20 years on one hand. But my point in this last comment was not to bash them for their past, it was to highlight where it is going as a future, which is a good thing! The fact that we are even discussing that two black 1st team all americans are TRANSFERING to Nebraska speaks volumes to the program, and will open up many, many doors in the recruiting world. I can see it, others can see it to. I'm not sure why you can't. I think most of us are sophisticated enough to pick up on your agenda against Nebraska and John Cook. Your first compliment to Nebraska is its appeal to two First-Team AAs that happen to be black? Do you now recoil your past comments about Nebraska being a hostile place for minorities?
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Post by #skoskers on May 6, 2015 20:13:17 GMT -5
But everything I said about coming here was true. ;-) Another SEC transfer like Kelsey, only in the middle, would be huge for us. I suppose Holman going to Nebraska would temper a lot of the potential "Foecke should have stayed in the middle" posts. But frankly, I do wonder of Holman would be happy at Nebraska. She comes from a very diverse community growing up, and Nebraska is the whitest elite volleyball program in the country. John Cook is an unabashed jack *ss and some of the Nebraska players have not so subtly been labeled as very big diva b*tches, and Holman has been said to be tempermental. Surely Holman, if she chose to go to Nebraska, would learn lots and contribute to a storied program, but would SHE be happy? I wonder...
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Post by Phaedrus on May 6, 2015 20:17:52 GMT -5
We just can't have nice things.
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Post by ay2013 on May 6, 2015 20:18:55 GMT -5
You act like Holman or Ebony seek out my advice when making their decisions. I wish I had such power. Anyway, you can take my comments how you want, but I stand 100% by that I said in both. I think for you to suggest that Nebraska as program doesn't have some sort of chip on it's shoulder when it comes to minority recruits is ignoring the obvious. Yes, minorities HAVE played for the program, that actually wasn't my point, and, even if we are going there, there is like a 10 year gap between Jen S. and Wong Orantes...you can count the number of minorities in the Nebraska program in the last 15-20 years on one hand. But my point in this last comment was not to bash them for their past, it was to highlight where it is going as a future, which is a good thing! The fact that we are even discussing that two black 1st team all americans are TRANSFERING to Nebraska speaks volumes to the program, and will open up many, many doors in the recruiting world. I can see it, others can see it to. I'm not sure why you can't. I think most of us are sophisticated enough to pick up on your agenda against Nebraska and John Cook. Your first compliment to Nebraska is its appeal to two First-Team AAs that happen to be black? Do you now recoil your past comments about Nebraska being a hostile place for minorities? My first compliment to Nebraska is its appeal to two first team AA's that happen to be black?.....firstly, that is simply not true. the GREAT thing about volleytalk is that you can research a posters history. If you think this is my first "compliment" to Nebraska, you are sadly mistaken. Also, I wasn't actually complimenting Nebraska on it's "appeal" to anyone, rather I was pointing out that more minorities going their, particularly high profile transfers, will open up recruiting opportunities of other minorities for the program. I said THAT is a good thing for a program, and I truly do believe that. I personally could care less why Holman or Nwanebu want to spend their remaining college years in Lincoln. And I JUST said in my last post that I stand by my comments in both posts regarding Holman and Nwanebu 100%. I also don't even recall saying that Nebraska is a hostile place for minorities. I remember questioning if Holman would be happy at Nebraska, but those surely aren't equal statements, now are they?
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Post by badgerbreath on May 6, 2015 20:44:40 GMT -5
Wait...Ebony is black? That changes everything!
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Post by vbkid111 on May 6, 2015 20:45:09 GMT -5
This thread is reaching new levels of entertainment. Somebody pass the popcorn...and I like it lightly buttered.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2015 20:53:18 GMT -5
I also have to say that I admire her for being so forthright about seeking counseling, and about anxiety and depression. I work with college students, and I think that most of them could benefit from a counselor of some kind, just to help them sort through becoming an adult. In the case of kids who've consistently been high performers, whether academically, athletically, artistically, or otherwise, they hold themselves to such high standards that college can be a really challenging time. Counselors are really good at helping them work that transition. There's still such a stigma to anything mental health-related, and it's only going to go away if people start talking frankly about their experiences and how they got treatment. could not agree more -- thank you for the work you have chosen to do!
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Post by badgerbreath on May 6, 2015 21:13:04 GMT -5
I also have to say that I admire her for being so forthright about seeking counseling, and about anxiety and depression. I work with college students, and I think that most of them could benefit from a counselor of some kind, just to help them sort through becoming an adult. In the case of kids who've consistently been high performers, whether academically, athletically, artistically, or otherwise, they hold themselves to such high standards that college can be a really challenging time. Counselors are really good at helping them work that transition. There's still such a stigma to anything mental health-related, and it's only going to go away if people start talking frankly about their experiences and how they got treatment. could not agree more -- thank you for the work you have chosen to do! I missed that post by rainbow. I can't echo the sentiment strongly enough. I deal with university students all the time. We really put a lot of pressure on the kids these days. They need to know that it is alright to seek a little support. Recently, I've noticed that there is a little less stigma associated with doing so, but we still have a way to go.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2015 21:30:32 GMT -5
could not agree more -- thank you for the work you have chosen to do! I missed that post by rainbow. I can't echo the sentiment strongly enough. I deal with university students all the time. We really put a lot of pressure on the kids these days. They need to know that it is alright to seek a little support. Recently, I've noticed that there is a little less stigma associated with doing so, but we still have a way to go. thanks, also, to you for the work you have chosen to do! it is indeed noble...
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Post by dorothymantooth on May 6, 2015 23:44:41 GMT -5
I suppose Holman going to Nebraska would temper a lot of the potential "Foecke should have stayed in the middle" posts. But frankly, I do wonder of Holman would be happy at Nebraska. She comes from a very diverse community growing up, and Nebraska is the whitest elite volleyball program in the country. John Cook is an unabashed jack *ss and some of the Nebraska players have not so subtly been labeled as very big diva b*tches, and Holman has been said to be tempermental. Surely Holman, if she chose to go to Nebraska, would learn lots and contribute to a storied program, but would SHE be happy? I wonder... I have to agree with Haut on THIS post. Bad form.
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Post by notwvb on May 7, 2015 7:57:37 GMT -5
Would anyone else have thought of this, but........ how about IOWA or IOWA STATE for her? #justsayin Iowa St. is in the poll, but Iowa is rebuilding and IMO would be a waste of talent for next two years.
Ebony’s school decision may reveal a different view of what constitutes “waste” and what is beneficial, healthy, and meaningful to her and her family. #lifeisshort
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Post by Trojan on May 7, 2015 11:10:31 GMT -5
maybe this was mentioned, but when is the latest she can decide which school to attend?
Its (already May - where has the year gone?) and I'm just thinking its getting a little late.
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Post by rainbowbadger on May 7, 2015 11:14:02 GMT -5
I'm guessing July. May 1 is the drop-dead date for undergrad college admissions (not athletes, just the deadline for regular students to accept/decline admission offers). But transfers, especially when they're athletic, have different rules.
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Post by Trojan on May 7, 2015 11:22:42 GMT -5
I'm guessing July. May 1 is the drop-dead date for undergrad college admissions (not athletes, just the deadline for regular students to accept/decline admission offers). But transfers, especially when they're athletic, have different rules. TY!
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Post by n00b on May 7, 2015 11:39:51 GMT -5
I'm guessing July. May 1 is the drop-dead date for undergrad college admissions (not athletes, just the deadline for regular students to accept/decline admission offers). But transfers, especially when they're athletic, have different rules. Many schools can even get undergrad admittance after the May 1 "deadline". It really depends on the school. I'm sure there are plenty of programs out there that would find a way to make it work even if she wanted to wait until mid-August...
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