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Post by Orpheus on Aug 1, 2015 19:14:59 GMT -5
Interesting. I wonder if we watched the same matches. Not only did I see her hit line across her body, but I saw her do it on out of system sets coming from the left back corner of the court. That's a shot even the most experienced players have difficulty executing, but she crushed it.
But I'm sure you said all this about Murphy's debut, too, so I'm sure you're being fair and unbiased.
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Post by kro2488 on Aug 2, 2015 0:05:28 GMT -5
Interesting. I wonder if we watched the same matches. Not only did I see her hit line across her body, but I saw her do it on out of system sets coming from the left back corner of the court. That's a shot even the most experienced players have difficulty executing, but she crushed it. But I'm sure you said all this about Murphy's debut, too, so I'm sure you're being fair and unbiased. You saw her hit WRIST AWAYon a crossing play into right back? how often? I didn't see that, she went back to left back almost every single time. I think your not understanding what I said. Yes she can hit line when she is on the right side as well so can Murphy and from the D as well, they both do. What I was saying was on the crossing play, the example I mentioned teams won't let her hit to the same general area..over and over and over. Part of the reason her and Murphy both get blocked more against better teams, they know what they like to hit. Maybe I should start using zone numbers to avoid confusion lol. In summation everyone is going crazy over Lowe right now, I'm saying come on people, calm down. Let's wisen up, we have Rio coming and I'm not so sure we are going to be doing as well as we are hoping. I wouldn't be surprised if we made an early exit.
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Post by volleyguy on Aug 2, 2015 0:17:00 GMT -5
If using zone numbers will help you stop being confused, I'm all for it.
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Post by Orpheus on Aug 2, 2015 1:14:17 GMT -5
Interesting. I wonder if we watched the same matches. Not only did I see her hit line across her body, but I saw her do it on out of system sets coming from the left back corner of the court. That's a shot even the most experienced players have difficulty executing, but she crushed it. But I'm sure you said all this about Murphy's debut, too, so I'm sure you're being fair and unbiased. You saw her hit WRIST AWAYon a crossing play into right back? how often? I didn't see that, she went back to left back almost every single time. I think your not understanding what I said. Yes she can hit line when she is on the right side as well so can Murphy and from the D as well, they both do. What I was saying was on the crossing play, the example I mentioned teams won't let her hit to the same general area..over and over and over. Part of the reason her and Murphy both get blocked more against better teams, they know what they like to hit. Maybe I should start using zone numbers to avoid confusion lol. In summation everyone is going crazy over Lowe right now, I'm saying come on people, calm down. Let's wisen up, we have Rio coming and I'm not so sure we are going to be doing as well as we are hoping. I wouldn't be surprised if we made an early exit. Well, I re-read your original post, and though I missed the "crossing play," you definitely didn't say "wrist-away," you said "cross-body" which I'm sure you know is essentially the opposite of a wrist-away shot. Now that you clarified what you actually meant, I don't recall her hitting wrist-away shots on crossing plays. I also thought that was by design, considering that the middle running a slide attack held the opposing left-side blocker creating the same seam for Lowe to attack, which she did effectively. I hear what you're saying, but it's not reconciling with what I've seen. I think Murphy's biggest upcoming challenge will be to prove she brings more as a double-sub RS than Fawcett. I think Lowe has already shown what many on here have seen, that she's well on her way to starting in Rio.
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Post by kro2488 on Aug 2, 2015 1:22:00 GMT -5
You saw her hit WRIST AWAYon a crossing play into right back? how often? I didn't see that, she went back to left back almost every single time. I think your not understanding what I said. Yes she can hit line when she is on the right side as well so can Murphy and from the D as well, they both do. What I was saying was on the crossing play, the example I mentioned teams won't let her hit to the same general area..over and over and over. Part of the reason her and Murphy both get blocked more against better teams, they know what they like to hit. Maybe I should start using zone numbers to avoid confusion lol. In summation everyone is going crazy over Lowe right now, I'm saying come on people, calm down. Let's wisen up, we have Rio coming and I'm not so sure we are going to be doing as well as we are hoping. I wouldn't be surprised if we made an early exit. Well, I re-read your original post, and though I missed the "crossing play," you definitely didn't say "wrist-away," you said "cross-body" which I'm sure you know is essentially the opposite of a wrist-away shot. Now that you clarified what you actually meant, I don't recall her hitting wrist-away shots on crossing plays. I also thought that was by design, considering that the middle running a slide attack held the opposing left-side blocker creating the same seam for Lowe to attack, which she did effectively. I hear what you're saying, but it's not reconciling with what I've seen. I think Murphy's biggest upcoming challenge will be to prove she brings more as a double-sub RS than Fawcett. I think Lowe has already shown what many on here have seen, that she's well on her way to starting in Rio. And not only that but its not a mystery where her other swings go was my point as well. Teams with their top players, like the big teams we will have to get through to win gold in Rio won't let her have the same success, any of the pin hitters even with with the pace of the offense. And perhaps she does start in Rio but who knows, either way i'm not sold right now from what I've seen especially being pushed by teams in the final round that we should have squashed with even more one sided scores in sets than we did. Hopefully though we won't have to see another implosion like London, but i'm wary.
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Post by Orpheus on Aug 2, 2015 1:36:33 GMT -5
Well, I re-read your original post, and though I missed the "crossing play," you definitely didn't say "wrist-away," you said "cross-body" which I'm sure you know is essentially the opposite of a wrist-away shot. Now that you clarified what you actually meant, I don't recall her hitting wrist-away shots on crossing plays. I also thought that was by design, considering that the middle running a slide attack held the opposing left-side blocker creating the same seam for Lowe to attack, which she did effectively. I hear what you're saying, but it's not reconciling with what I've seen. I think Murphy's biggest upcoming challenge will be to prove she brings more as a double-sub RS than Fawcett. I think Lowe has already shown what many on here have seen, that she's well on her way to starting in Rio. And not only that but its not a mystery where her other swings go was my point as well. Teams with their top players, like the big teams we will have to get through to win gold in Rio won't let her have the same success, any of the pin hitters even with with the pace of the offense. And perhaps she does start in Rio but who knows, either way i'm not sold right now from what I've seen especially being pushed by teams in the final round that we should have squashed with even more one sided scores in sets than we did. Hopefully though we won't have to see another implosion like London, but i'm wary. Hmmm, when there's a huge seam, there should never be any mystery as to where a player is attacking...they should attack the seam. I'm not sure how teams take away seam shots no matter how good they are. When USA effectively runs its spread attack, which is meant to create holes in bunch blocking schemes, will teams teach their blockers to be in two places at once? Because if the left side blocker stays in to take away this zone you say is problematic to hit to, then we give the ball to Dietzen or Akinradewo on a wide open slide.
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Post by kro2488 on Aug 2, 2015 1:39:58 GMT -5
And not only that but its not a mystery where her other swings go was my point as well. Teams with their top players, like the big teams we will have to get through to win gold in Rio won't let her have the same success, any of the pin hitters even with with the pace of the offense. And perhaps she does start in Rio but who knows, either way i'm not sold right now from what I've seen especially being pushed by teams in the final round that we should have squashed with even more one sided scores in sets than we did. Hopefully though we won't have to see another implosion like London, but i'm wary. Hmmm, when there's a huge seam, there should never be any mystery as to where a player is attacking...they should attack the seam. I'm not sure how teams take away seam shots no matter how good they are. When USA effectively runs its spread attack, which is meant to create homes in bunch blocking schemes, will teams teach their blockers to be in two places at once? Because if the left side stays in to take away this zone you say is problematic to hit to, then we give the ball to Dietzen or Akinradewo on a wide open slide. Your going to see defenders start digging it cuz she hits it to the exact spot im not even talking about the blockers, the middle could choose to dive to their left and penetrate and stop it sometimes as well. And yes somewhere along the net there is going to be a 1 on 1. I don't see us passing well enough for it to matter if teams are serving like they should. It really screwed us up to have all that traffic when the pass was bad lol, they could totally serve to purposefully screw it up.
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Post by Orpheus on Aug 2, 2015 1:53:37 GMT -5
Hmmm, when there's a huge seam, there should never be any mystery as to where a player is attacking...they should attack the seam. I'm not sure how teams take away seam shots no matter how good they are. When USA effectively runs its spread attack, which is meant to create homes in bunch blocking schemes, will teams teach their blockers to be in two places at once? Because if the left side stays in to take away this zone you say is problematic to hit to, then we give the ball to Dietzen or Akinradewo on a wide open slide. Your going to see defenders start digging it cuz she hits it to the exact spot im not even talking about the blockers, the middle could choose to dive to their left and penetrate and stop it sometimes as well. And yes somewhere along the net there is going to be a 1 on 1. I don't see us passing well enough for it to matter if teams are serving like they should. It really screwed us up to have all that traffic when the pass was bad lol, they could totally serve to purposefully screw it up. I think if she repeatedly hits to the same exact spot, then we would already be seeing teams shutting her down on defense. Besides, I know team USA charts this kind of info and incorporates it into their training, so I think all your fears are unfounded. It's your prerogative to have them, though...I just don't share them. USA has its work cut out for it, and now is not the time for the team to get complacent, but they are the top ranked team in the world for good reason.
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Post by stull90210 on Aug 2, 2015 2:01:13 GMT -5
Hmmm, when there's a huge seam, there should never be any mystery as to where a player is attacking...they should attack the seam. I'm not sure how teams take away seam shots no matter how good they are. When USA effectively runs its spread attack, which is meant to create homes in bunch blocking schemes, will teams teach their blockers to be in two places at once? Because if the left side stays in to take away this zone you say is problematic to hit to, then we give the ball to Dietzen or Akinradewo on a wide open slide. Your going to see defenders start digging it cuz she hits it to the exact spot im not even talking about the blockers, the middle could choose to dive to their left and penetrate and stop it sometimes as well. And yes somewhere along the net there is going to be a 1 on 1. I don't see us passing well enough for it to matter if teams are serving like they should. It really screwed us up to have all that traffic when the pass was bad lol, they could totally serve to purposefully screw it up. I'm confused when you continuously say she hits it at the exact same spot...To me she has one of the best ranges for a pin hitter in terms of being able to hit with power all parts of the court with all kinds of sets
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Post by kro2488 on Aug 2, 2015 2:02:35 GMT -5
Your going to see defenders start digging it cuz she hits it to the exact spot im not even talking about the blockers, the middle could choose to dive to their left and penetrate and stop it sometimes as well. And yes somewhere along the net there is going to be a 1 on 1. I don't see us passing well enough for it to matter if teams are serving like they should. It really screwed us up to have all that traffic when the pass was bad lol, they could totally serve to purposefully screw it up. I'm confused when you continuously say she hits it at the exact same spot...To me she has one of the best ranges for a pin hitter in terms of being able to hit with power all parts of the court with all kinds of sets Just on one play i've noticed. But ya like most of the hitters she has decent range, but she has tendencies, areas she liks to hit more than others. Do you deny that?
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Post by kro2488 on Aug 2, 2015 2:04:04 GMT -5
anyways, sleep time. Have we heard if China is actually sending their better players to the WCC? I was curious.
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Post by stull90210 on Aug 2, 2015 2:05:45 GMT -5
I'm confused when you continuously say she hits it at the exact same spot...To me she has one of the best ranges for a pin hitter in terms of being able to hit with power all parts of the court with all kinds of sets Just on one play i've noticed. But ya like most of the hitters she has decent range, but she has tendencies, areas she liks to hit more than others. Do you deny that? Of course not. I understand your argument that we shouldn't get high and mighty on a player on just the start of their pro career, but the way you make your argument deliberately seems to tear down any accomplishment she has made. Her growth as a player is unmatchable in such a short period of time. And when Murphy was playing in her rookie season with USA and battling the OPP spot against Fawcett, you were all for the rookie, Murphy. But that makes sense, since you are a Florida homer..
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Post by kro2488 on Aug 2, 2015 2:08:19 GMT -5
Just on one play i've noticed. But ya like most of the hitters she has decent range, but she has tendencies, areas she liks to hit more than others. Do you deny that? Of course not. I understand your argument that we shouldn't get high and mighty on a player on just the start of their pro career, but the way you make your argument deliberately seems to tear down any accomplishment she has made. Her growth as a player is unmatchable in such a short period of time. And when Murphy was playing in her rookie season with USA and battling the OPP spot against Fawcett, you were all for the rookie, Murphy. But that makes sense, since you are a Florida homer.. Very few ever liked her on this board so, I had too, because of where she went to school. Or it seemed that way. Anyways, I'm urging caution is all. No reason to be going bananas. Sure she did exceptional, so calm down people.
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Post by Orpheus on Aug 2, 2015 2:19:45 GMT -5
Stay calm, dude! But let us be excited for the future
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Post by stull90210 on Aug 2, 2015 16:57:11 GMT -5
Of course not. I understand your argument that we shouldn't get high and mighty on a player on just the start of their pro career, but the way you make your argument deliberately seems to tear down any accomplishment she has made. Her growth as a player is unmatchable in such a short period of time. And when Murphy was playing in her rookie season with USA and battling the OPP spot against Fawcett, you were all for the rookie, Murphy. But that makes sense, since you are a Florida homer.. Very few ever liked her on this board so, I had too, because of where she went to school. Or it seemed that way. Anyways, I'm urging caution is all. No reason to be going bananas. Sure she did exceptional, so calm down people. So we should NOT like a rookie player who has played well because it's her first year and she hasn't proved herself fully, but we SHOULD like a rookie player if few people like her on this board? And anyways, i thought that once she started appearing in the double sub (against fawcett) and getting a few starts people were starting to like her a lot, including me, over Fawcett.
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