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Post by volleyballer4life on May 18, 2015 10:22:38 GMT -5
I know the majority of what we talk about on this board is college-related, but I also know we have a lot of talk about club. I've spent the last couple weeks working on a piece with the idea of "If we could give parents a letter before their child started youth sports, what would it cover?" I feel this could be something that is valuable for clubs to share with their families. I wanted to 1) share this for people in case they'd like to use it 2) take feedback on what they think, as I may write a couple other pieces similar in nature. Things All Youth Sports Parents Need to Know |
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2015 13:05:11 GMT -5
I wish Pat Powers would stop being a source on College and Junior volleyball. To my knowledge his only experience in that area is running his roving camp circuit.
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Post by volleyballer4life on May 18, 2015 14:57:14 GMT -5
I wish Pat Powers would stop being a source on College and Junior volleyball. To my knowledge his only experience in that area is running his roving camp circuit. Lloyd, I'm all for people bringing constructive criticism, but I think those three points are valid - and I do have experience in the field. Would you like to add anything to the subject of what college coaches look for that aren't covered there? I'd like to keep the thread focused on the content. |
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Post by vbgirls2 on May 18, 2015 15:15:28 GMT -5
I see parents having their kids do Vb 24/7, high school to club to private lessons etc., burnout is an issue but so are overuse injuries from the same repetitive motion. Could you address this for parents/ kids.
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Post by volleyballer4life on May 19, 2015 15:21:00 GMT -5
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Post by bc1900 on May 19, 2015 16:52:31 GMT -5
Another fun fact is there is approximately ten times as much scholarship money available for academics as opposed to athletics (across ALL sports). If pursuit of a scholarship is the ultimate goal, drop volleyball and hit the books, your odds are much better.
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Post by cardinalvolleyball on May 19, 2015 21:17:11 GMT -5
Another fun fact is there is approximately ten times as much scholarship money available for academics as opposed to athletics (across ALL sports). If pursuit of a scholarship is the ultimate goal, drop volleyball and hit the books, your odds are much better. There might be more total $$ for academics, but there is way more atheltic $$/athlete then there is academic $$/college student. Just figure out how to do more than one thing at once and be good at sports and academics |
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Post by deepsouthfan on May 20, 2015 10:09:00 GMT -5
I know the majority of what we talk about on this board is college-related, but I also know we have a lot of talk about club. I've spent the last couple weeks working on a piece with the idea of "If we could give parents a letter before their child started youth sports, what would it cover?" I feel this could be something that is valuable for clubs to share with their families. I wanted to 1) share this for people in case they'd like to use it 2) take feedback on what they think, as I may write a couple other pieces similar in nature. Things All Youth Sports Parents Need to KnowThanks for sharing this blog. |
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Post by bc1900 on May 20, 2015 10:26:44 GMT -5
Another fun fact is there is approximately ten times as much scholarship money available for academics as opposed to athletics (across ALL sports). If pursuit of a scholarship is the ultimate goal, drop volleyball and hit the books, your odds are much better. There might be more total $$ for academics, but there is way more atheltic $$/athlete then there is academic $$/college student. Just figure out how to do more than one thing at once and be good at sports and academics "$$ per average college student" perhaps, but not "$$ per college student with a 3.0+ GPA". Academic money is surprisingly easy to get, it does take some academic effort but it doesn't require 8 hours a day in the library studying. Additional benefits include no practice/training schedule, no injuries (talking about FB here) and no tolerating coach abuse (see Wake Forest). Also, so long as you maintain the 3.0, your scholarship can't be yanked. |
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Post by volleyballer4life on May 20, 2015 15:25:13 GMT -5
Another fun fact is there is approximately ten times as much scholarship money available for academics as opposed to athletics (across ALL sports). If pursuit of a scholarship is the ultimate goal, drop volleyball and hit the books, your odds are much better. There might be more total $$ for academics, but there is way more atheltic $$/athlete then there is academic $$/college student. Just figure out how to do more than one thing at once and be good at sports and academics That's not necessarily true. For Division I Women's Volleyball, it is a headcount sport, so yes, they get a full-ride. That isn't the case for the sport at the equivalency levels, and as Division III doesn't have athletic scholarship money, I don't believe that your statement is accurate. This isn't even going into men's volleyball where each team if fully funded only gets 4.5 scholarships to divvy up among the players. I also don't think one needs to 'drop volleyball and hit the books' - it's good to have a steady balance of academics/athletics. It's just important for the student to avoid sacrificing one for the other. Your grades will ultimately open more doors, but building a relationship with a college coach is a great way to get your foot into those doors. The key is figuring out what the athlete truly wants. There isn't a black-and-white equation on what one needs to do - the key is choosing a path that compliments one's goals. |
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Post by bc1900 on May 20, 2015 16:19:24 GMT -5
There might be more total $$ for academics, but there is way more atheltic $$/athlete then there is academic $$/college student. Just figure out how to do more than one thing at once and be good at sports and academics That's not necessarily true. For Division I Women's Volleyball, it is a headcount sport, so yes, they get a full-ride. That isn't the case for the sport at the equivalency levels, and as Division III doesn't have athletic scholarship money, I don't believe that your statement is accurate. This isn't even going into men's volleyball where each team if fully funded only gets 4.5 scholarships to divvy up among the players. I also don't think one needs to 'drop volleyball and hit the books' - it's good to have a steady balance of academics/athletics. It's just important for the student to avoid sacrificing one for the other. Your grades will ultimately open more doors, but building a relationship with a college coach is a great way to get your foot into those doors. The key is figuring out what the athlete truly wants. There isn't a black-and-white equation on what one needs to do - the key is choosing a path that compliments one's goals. 'drop volleyball and hit the books" was qualified with 'If pursuit of a scholarship is the ultimate goal'. Of course volleyball offers many benefits besides a scholarship; my point is playing volleyball primarily to secure a scholarship is a mistake; you're playing the long odds, not to mention severely limiting your choice of colleges. I'm not sure what doors a college volleyball coach can open, but professional/industry contacts via academics (professors) can definitely open some doors. I didn't follow what you are saying in the first paragraph of your comment. |
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Post by volleyballer4life on May 21, 2015 10:57:34 GMT -5
That's not necessarily true. For Division I Women's Volleyball, it is a headcount sport, so yes, they get a full-ride. That isn't the case for the sport at the equivalency levels, and as Division III doesn't have athletic scholarship money, I don't believe that your statement is accurate. This isn't even going into men's volleyball where each team if fully funded only gets 4.5 scholarships to divvy up among the players. I also don't think one needs to 'drop volleyball and hit the books' - it's good to have a steady balance of academics/athletics. It's just important for the student to avoid sacrificing one for the other. Your grades will ultimately open more doors, but building a relationship with a college coach is a great way to get your foot into those doors. The key is figuring out what the athlete truly wants. There isn't a black-and-white equation on what one needs to do - the key is choosing a path that compliments one's goals. 'drop volleyball and hit the books" was qualified with 'If pursuit of a scholarship is the ultimate goal'. Of course volleyball offers many benefits besides a scholarship; my point is playing volleyball primarily to secure a scholarship is a mistake; you're playing the long odds, not to mention severely limiting your choice of colleges. I'm not sure what doors a college volleyball coach can open, but professional/industry contacts via academics (professors) can definitely open some doors. I didn't follow what you are saying in the first paragraph of your comment. To say that the average amount of money athletes vs. non-athletes is more for the athletes isn't a fair statistic. Only Division I Women's Volleyball is head-count, which means each scholarship is full-ride and cannot be broken apart. Every other division is 'equivalency', which means a coach can split them up. For example, Women's Division II has up to 8 scholarships - a coach can break that up into 4 full-rides and 8 half-scholarships, 16 half-scholarships, etc. On the men's side, they only get up to 4.5 - so a coach can do 9 half scholarships, 3 half and 9 1/3 scholarships, etc. Which is why I think it's not accurate to say with certainty "athletes receive more money than non-athletes". What I would say is that by non-scholarship athletes building a relationship with a coach and learning the inner-workings on what the school values when looking at applications, they have a much better shot of putting their best foot forward with their application to ensure they get the maximum amount of money they're entitled to receive. If I had applied for my school before learning more about it, my entrance essay probably would have looked much different, and that was responsible for thousands of dollars of merit aid per year. It doesn't have to be a coach, it can be an admissions counselor, the head of the department for the field of study you want to go into, or someone else from the school, but I highly recommend that students do their research before applying to make sure they're speaking specifically to what the school values! |
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Post by rainbowbadger on May 21, 2015 11:20:20 GMT -5
I wish Pat Powers would stop being a source on College and Junior volleyball. To my knowledge his only experience in that area is running his roving camp circuit. Lloyd, I'm all for people bringing constructive criticism, but I think those three points are valid - and I do have experience in the field. Would you like to add anything to the subject of what college coaches look for that aren't covered there? I'd like to keep the thread focused on the content. I haven't coached, but I will say that I've heard one D1 coach (Sheffield) asked in interviews what he looks for. He asks a few things: 1) Are you any good? ("Can you play at our level?") 2) How do you respond on and off the court when things aren't going your way? (Looking for people who build everyone up no matter what.) 3) Do you put in the effort on your own? (This is a program fit question also; he wants intrinsically motivated gym rat types.) 4) Can you take direction? (Variation on coachability.) So yeah, I don't know who this Pat Powers dude is, but the things he calls out have been backed up by at least one successful coach that I'm aware of, and they don't sound off base. |
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Post by vbman100 on May 21, 2015 11:46:38 GMT -5
Lloyd, I'm all for people bringing constructive criticism, but I think those three points are valid - and I do have experience in the field. Would you like to add anything to the subject of what college coaches look for that aren't covered there? I'd like to keep the thread focused on the content. I haven't coached, but I will say that I've heard one D1 coach (Sheffield) asked in interviews what he looks for. He asks a few things: 1) Are you any good? ("Can you play at our level?") 2) How do you respond on and off the court when things aren't going your way? (Looking for people who build everyone up no matter what.) 3) Do you put in the effort on your own? (This is a program fit question also; he wants intrinsically motivated gym rat types.) 4) Can you take direction? (Variation on coachability.) So yeah, I don't know who this Pat Powers dude is, but the things he calls out have been backed up by at least one successful coach that I'm aware of, and they don't sound off base. Does anyone answer these honestly? 1) No, I am not. 2) I get real negative, yell at my teammates, kick a chair. 3) Not really. I am only in the gym when I have to be, and pretty much sit on my phone and text until coach says it is time to start practice. 4) No. I do what I want. Why do you want me here if you want to change me? |
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Post by volleyballer4life on May 21, 2015 12:08:28 GMT -5
I haven't coached, but I will say that I've heard one D1 coach (Sheffield) asked in interviews what he looks for. He asks a few things: 1) Are you any good? ("Can you play at our level?") 2) How do you respond on and off the court when things aren't going your way? (Looking for people who build everyone up no matter what.) 3) Do you put in the effort on your own? (This is a program fit question also; he wants intrinsically motivated gym rat types.) 4) Can you take direction? (Variation on coachability.) So yeah, I don't know who this Pat Powers dude is, but the things he calls out have been backed up by at least one successful coach that I'm aware of, and they don't sound off base. Does anyone answer these honestly? 1) No, I am not. 2) I get real negative, yell at my teammates, kick a chair. 3) Not really. I am only in the gym when I have to be, and pretty much sit on my phone and text until coach says it is time to start practice. 4) No. I do what I want. Why do you want me here if you want to change me? They don't actually ask the questions, coaches can get a gauge on those kids by their actions, not just their words. Not a literal thing. |
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