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Post by SportyBucky on May 19, 2015 15:57:36 GMT -5
But she can pass and defend nearly as well as anyone on that rooster...and I know, that hasn't been done on the international level. However, I do believe her game translates as a six rotation player internationally. I think most people think that her reception will be her biggest issue professionally. That, and her lack of pace on the ball. Saying that she can pass and defend as well as Larson, Hill, and Robinson really isn't accurate. Who are these most people you refer to? I would say the same thing was said about Hill in her professional career. Vansant is MUCH further along than Hill and I'd say even Larson as this point in her career compared to those players at the same time. I believe she is a better passer and defender than Megan. I believe she can pass as well as Robinson, but defense may be a wash. I don't think Hill's floor defense is good at all and I know most of these people to whom you refer would agree.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2015 16:08:56 GMT -5
I think most people think that her reception will be her biggest issue professionally. That, and her lack of pace on the ball. Saying that she can pass and defend as well as Larson, Hill, and Robinson really isn't accurate. Who are these most people you refer to? I would say the same thing was said about Hill in her professional career. Vansant is MUCH further along than Hill and I'd say even Larson as this point in her career compared to those players at the same time. I believe she is a better passer and defender than Megan. I believe she can pass as well as Robinson, but defense may be a wash. I don't think Hill's floor defense is good at all and I know most of these people to whom you refer would agree. What is your frame of reference of the relative passing/defending ability of Larson, Hill, Robinson, and Vansant? I'm pretty sure you don't have data to back up a claim that Vansant is "MUCH further along than Hill," who was the MVP of the World Championships last summer, or data to back up a claim that Vansant is much further along now than Larson was in 2008? You're speaking very assertively about players that I don't think you haven't actually seen in several months, but maybe I'm wrong, or perhaps you have good sources. My comments reflect the opinions of those who've seen them recently in person, the scrimmage from this past weekend, and recent professional matches. From that information, I can't understand how anyone could say that Vansant passes and defends as well as "anyone on the roster." That's the opposite of everything I've seen/heard. I get that you "believe" these things, but I don't know what the foundation of your beliefs is.
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Post by #skoskers on May 19, 2015 16:10:53 GMT -5
We are very weak in that position in my opinion. Give it a few years and we'll see a new breed there. We have two of the three best middles in the world, and Gibby isn't bad herself. USA has one of the three best middles in the world IMO. Milena > Maja > Foluke > Fabiana > Thaisa > Christa > Robin > Carol > Fürst > Dixon > Chirichella
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Post by superfan1 on May 19, 2015 16:52:12 GMT -5
Who are these most people you refer to? I would say the same thing was said about Hill in her professional career. Vansant is MUCH further along than Hill and I'd say even Larson as this point in her career compared to those players at the same time. I believe she is a better passer and defender than Megan. I believe she can pass as well as Robinson, but defense may be a wash. I don't think Hill's floor defense is good at all and I know most of these people to whom you refer would agree. What is your frame of reference of the relative passing/defending ability of Larson, Hill, Robinson, and Vansant? I'm pretty sure you don't have data to back up a claim that Vansant is "MUCH further along than Hill," who was the MVP of the World Championships last summer, or data to back up a claim that Vansant is much further along now than Larson was in 2008? You're speaking very assertively about players that I don't think you haven't actually seen in several months, but maybe I'm wrong, or perhaps you have good sources. My comments reflect the opinions of those who've seen them recently in person, the scrimmage from this past weekend, and recent professional matches. From that information, I can't understand how anyone could say that Vansant passes and defends as well as "anyone on the roster." That's the opposite of everything I've seen/heard. I get that you "believe" these things, but I don't know what the foundation of your beliefs is. To be fair, wasn't Hill a MH/OPP in college? I don't remember her passing all too much at Pepperdine (I could be wrong). I actually do think Krista has the advantage on Kim if you compare when they're just coming out of college, at least in terms of the serve receive/defense aspect.
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Post by kc8413 on May 19, 2015 17:42:16 GMT -5
What is your frame of reference of the relative passing/defending ability of Larson, Hill, Robinson, and Vansant? I'm pretty sure you don't have data to back up a claim that Vansant is "MUCH further along than Hill," who was the MVP of the World Championships last summer, or data to back up a claim that Vansant is much further along now than Larson was in 2008? You're speaking very assertively about players that I don't think you haven't actually seen in several months, but maybe I'm wrong, or perhaps you have good sources. My comments reflect the opinions of those who've seen them recently in person, the scrimmage from this past weekend, and recent professional matches. From that information, I can't understand how anyone could say that Vansant passes and defends as well as "anyone on the roster." That's the opposite of everything I've seen/heard. I get that you "believe" these things, but I don't know what the foundation of your beliefs is. To be fair, wasn't Hill a MH/OPP in college? I don't remember her passing all too much at Pepperdine (I could be wrong). I actually do think Krista has the advantage on Kim if you compare when they're just coming out of college, at least in terms of the serve receive/defense aspect. For Hill to stand out in a group of over 200 volleyball players during open try outs, I believe that her game coming out of college was impressive enough to get Karch's attn. I think Vansant has gotten a lot of attention thru out high school and college so it appears that she's better bc of all the attention (not sure if it's bc her serve receive/defense is that much better than Hill's). Also, Hill played beach volleyball at Pepperdine so I think her serve receive game is pretty strong.
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Post by kc8413 on May 19, 2015 17:47:26 GMT -5
For those who believe that Hill has proven herself after winning MVP during World Championship and will def be in Rio, I will have to say that aside from that tournament and that last game against China, Hill was pretty unimpressive in terms of getting kills.
In her last and most recent club championship match, she could only get 3 kills, no aces, no blocks and was subbed out. Lauren Gibbemeyer's club team ended up winning instead. I'm very interested to see how Hill will continue to develop for the next 2 years. In other words, I don't think Robinson is that far behind Hill.
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Post by superfan1 on May 19, 2015 18:08:24 GMT -5
To be fair, wasn't Hill a MH/OPP in college? I don't remember her passing all too much at Pepperdine (I could be wrong). I actually do think Krista has the advantage on Kim if you compare when they're just coming out of college, at least in terms of the serve receive/defense aspect. For Hill to stand out in a group of over 200 volleyball players during open try outs, I believe that her game coming out of college was impressive enough to get Karch's attn. I think Vansant has gotten a lot of attention thru out high school and college so it appears that she's better bc of all the attention (not sure if it's bc her serve receive/defense is that much better than Hill's). Also, Hill played beach volleyball at Pepperdine so I think her serve receive game is pretty strong. I totally agree with you on Hill. I do think at some level (even psychologically) passing every day, every game and being a lot of teams serving target will serve Krista well in her professional and possible NT career.
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Post by superfan1 on May 19, 2015 18:09:00 GMT -5
Didn't Hill also win a sand national championship her last year in college?
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Post by FOBRA on May 19, 2015 18:23:38 GMT -5
Didn't Hill also win a sand national championship her last year in college? I think she was ineligible her last sand year and that was the one Pepp didn't win? (She was out and Orozco got a concussion as her replacement). I think she won a championship her first year in Sand, was two time Sand AA. I think people are kind of forgetting how good she was her senior indoor year though... she was a first team All-American on an Elite 8 Pepperdine team that just missed the last weekend. Her rise through the international ranks is surprising but she wasn't chopped liver in college.
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Post by bkedane on May 19, 2015 18:28:06 GMT -5
Agree; By being the 'Host', the USA can work a little more on development of players instead of absolutely having to do well to qualify. Excited to see if Lowe and Vansant can make a contribution, and watch the further development of last years young ones - Adams, Dixon, Robinson ... * Surprised there is no Micha Hancock listed, unless she is training in Anaheim. I thought as a 'serving specialist' she could be a difference maker in a close match ( maybe 2-3 straight points), and the USA could slowly train her 'setting' in their system. Hancock isn't in Anaheim. The staff has sent home all non-essential athletes that were training, choosing instead to focus their time on the athletes that they think have potential to challenge for Olympic and World Cup roster spots. The third year in a quad is way too late for Hancock to join the fray; there isn't even close to enough time to fix her setting. Fix her setting?
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Post by c4ndlelight on May 19, 2015 18:28:56 GMT -5
For those who believe that Hill has proven herself after winning MVP during World Championship and will def be in Rio, I will have to say that aside from that tournament and that last game against China, Hill was pretty unimpressive in terms of getting kills. In her last and most recent club championship match, she could only get 3 kills, no aces, no blocks and was subbed out. Lauren Gibbemeyer's club team ended up winning instead. I'm very interested to see how Hill will continue to develop for the next 2 years. In other words, I don't think Robinson is that far behind Hill. In Robinson's last match, she only had 7 kills as her team lost the semis to Regan Hood's team - and that was in Puerto Rico. Hill played 30+ other games besides that last match and had the second-best hitting percentage among outside hitters in the league (after only Klineman) with a healthy gap to those behind her. She also outhit Robinson significantly over the course of the NT season. But she's not a SPRI girl, so . . . . .
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Post by kc8413 on May 19, 2015 18:31:05 GMT -5
I'm also very surprised that Lloyd isn't getting the opportunity to set for USA.
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Post by kc8413 on May 19, 2015 18:32:23 GMT -5
For those who believe that Hill has proven herself after winning MVP during World Championship and will def be in Rio, I will have to say that aside from that tournament and that last game against China, Hill was pretty unimpressive in terms of getting kills. In her last and most recent club championship match, she could only get 3 kills, no aces, no blocks and was subbed out. Lauren Gibbemeyer's club team ended up winning instead. I'm very interested to see how Hill will continue to develop for the next 2 years. In other words, I don't think Robinson is that far behind Hill. In Robinson's last match, she only had 7 kills as her team lost the semis to Regan Hood's team - and that was in Puerto Rico. Hill played 30+ other games besides that last match and had the second-best hitting percentage among outside hitters in the league (after only Klineman) with a healthy gap to those behind her. She also outhit Robinson significantly over the course of the NT season. But she's not a SPRI girl, so . . . . . Whats a SPRI girl??
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Post by Reach on May 19, 2015 19:06:30 GMT -5
We have two of the three best middles in the world, and Gibby isn't bad herself. USA has one of the three best middles in the world IMO. Milena > Maja > Foluke > Fabiana > Thaisa > Christa > Robin > Carol > Fürst > Dixon > Chirichella What about the Chinese?
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Post by Reach on May 19, 2015 19:07:59 GMT -5
In Robinson's last match, she only had 7 kills as her team lost the semis to Regan Hood's team - and that was in Puerto Rico. Hill played 30+ other games besides that last match and had the second-best hitting percentage among outside hitters in the league (after only Klineman) with a healthy gap to those behind her. She also outhit Robinson significantly over the course of the NT season. But she's not a SPRI girl, so . . . . . Whats a SPRI girl?? What does SPRI have to do with this? LOL...
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