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Post by midwestfan on May 28, 2015 13:49:49 GMT -5
Does anyone know if it's in the pipeline for the NCAA to let the Libero serve in men's? Seems like a practical idea to me!
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Post by trollhunter on May 28, 2015 18:59:18 GMT -5
Not likely.
NCAA Men use the FIVB rules with very minor modifications.
FIVB will not allow Libero to serve anytime soon for Men or Women.
Hence NCAA men will not.
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Post by rogero1 on May 28, 2015 19:13:58 GMT -5
NAIA men allow the Libero to serve with unlimited subs (like their women). However, most teams will still play NCAA teams.
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Post by 5280volleyball on May 28, 2015 19:56:58 GMT -5
I like the fact that the mens game allows limited subs and no libero serving. It means the players have to be more complete. The womens game has several OH who just hit, and have no other skills.
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Post by oshkoshdadmjs on May 29, 2015 0:09:09 GMT -5
I was watching the PVL championships the other day; do they play with USAV rules? I thought I saw the libero serving, which I don't really see any problems with. I think the rule is kind of outdated and don't understand why FIVB and NCAA don't allow it.
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Post by vballer1990 on May 29, 2015 9:12:06 GMT -5
I was watching the PVL championships the other day; do they play with USAV rules? I thought I saw the libero serving, which I don't really see any problems with. I think the rule is kind of outdated and don't understand why FIVB and NCAA don't allow it. They were using a combination of rules...they were using the international rule with the ball hitting the ceiling but they we also not allowing pursuit. I think it just used its own set of rules. |
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Post by beachdude on May 29, 2015 9:54:50 GMT -5
I was watching the PVL championships the other day; do they play with USAV rules? I thought I saw the libero serving, which I don't really see any problems with. I think the rule is kind of outdated and don't understand why FIVB and NCAA don't allow it. Do you know how hard it is to get anybody to play middle these days? Nobody wants to play middle. They don't serve. They don't play defense. They don't pass. They don't hit very many balls. Bastard child playing volleyball. Forget the libero serving. Let the middles at least play one rotation in the back row so they know where it is. |
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Post by oshkoshdadmjs on May 29, 2015 11:49:24 GMT -5
I was watching the PVL championships the other day; do they play with USAV rules? I thought I saw the libero serving, which I don't really see any problems with. I think the rule is kind of outdated and don't understand why FIVB and NCAA don't allow it. Do you know how hard it is to get anybody to play middle these days? Nobody wants to play middle. They don't serve. They don't play defense. They don't pass. They don't hit very many balls. Bastard child playing volleyball. Forget the libero serving. Let the middles at least play one rotation in the back row so they know where it is. I do, it's not that hard. Whoever can serve better should be allowed to serve, it makes no sense to have a player who plays every rotation but isn't allow to serve for one. Especially because at every other level of volleyball it's allowed. |
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2015 12:50:52 GMT -5
Do you know how hard it is to get anybody to play middle these days? Nobody wants to play middle. They don't serve. They don't play defense. They don't pass. They don't hit very many balls. Bastard child playing volleyball. Forget the libero serving. Let the middles at least play one rotation in the back row so they know where it is. I do, it's not that hard. Whoever can serve better should be allowed to serve, it makes no sense to have a player who plays every rotation but isn't allow to serve for one. Especially because at every other level of volleyball it's allowed. How may levels are really out there? FIVB and NCAA Men's do not allow the libero to serve. For the USA, that leaves USAV adult and juniors, and NCAA Women's. The libero plays 6 rotations so maybe they should hit too!  I guess it comes down to personal preference. I always felt that serving is an offensive weapon. Make the middles serve, IMO. But where the rules allow a libero to serve, of course go with the better server. |
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Post by VB48 on May 29, 2015 12:56:34 GMT -5
Serving is, by definition, offense. The libero is a defensive position. No serve for you.
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Post by trollhunter on May 29, 2015 16:32:44 GMT -5
Do you know how hard it is to get anybody to play middle these days? Nobody wants to play middle. They don't serve. They don't play defense. They don't pass. They don't hit very many balls. Bastard child playing volleyball. Forget the libero serving. Let the middles at least play one rotation in the back row so they know where it is. I do, it's not that hard. Whoever can serve better should be allowed to serve, it makes no sense to have a player who plays every rotation but isn't allow to serve for one. Especially because at every other level of volleyball it's allowed. Wrong on "every other level". Most other countries follow FIVB rules strictly for girls, boys, women, and mens play. With no libero serve. Maybe you meant every other level of USA volleyball it is allowed? I think Adult Open level does not allow it either. The libero is a non-regular player with different rules for setting, serving, substitution, attacking, etc. all for very good reasons. Here is just one possible "abuse" of your idea. With the two libero system that is currently in place some Olympic teams would make their second libero a "designated server", such as as a 6'9" backup opposite with a beastly jump serve that ONLY comes in to do that. Certainly you can see that was not the intention of adding the libero position to the game. If they wanted a "designated server" they would have added it directly. |
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Post by rbball02 on May 29, 2015 17:48:44 GMT -5
One of the PVL teams in detroit this past week did exactly that.
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Post by nationalreferee on Jun 2, 2015 22:07:45 GMT -5
PVL used FIVB rules with only a couple of modifications. The libero was allowed to serve. Pursuit was not allowed at the Opens because of the setup of the court. Otherwise, it would've been permitted (as does FIVB).
All levels of USAV allow the libero to serve, except the Open division (not to be confused with the "Opens" tournament. All liberos could serve except that one premier Opens division (10 teams).
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