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Post by johnbar on Jun 24, 2015 22:57:01 GMT -5
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Post by tinman2 on Jun 25, 2015 8:04:36 GMT -5
How in the world are Doherty/Mayer a 2nd seed.....they had to qualify last week, finished poorly and looked very weak compared to most teams there.
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Post by klazk on Jun 25, 2015 8:20:49 GMT -5
How in the world are Doherty/Mayer a 2nd seed.....they had to qualify last week, finished poorly and looked very weak compared to most teams there. FIVB pools were set months ago for World Championships (which I think is absurb). Doherty/Mayer slid into Dalhausser/Rosenthal's spot as a reserve team when they had to withdraw due to injury. I'm assuming the logistics of the multiple venues/cities, etc. made reseeding prohibitive. Great deal for Doherty/Mayer, however. They should have no problem getting out of pool.
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Post by klazk on Jun 25, 2015 8:23:27 GMT -5
Can I just say that I hate the website for World Championships. The normal FIVB site isn't great, but over the years I've at least figured out how to navigate it.
The World Championships site is going to make me go back to BVBinfo to get results, even if they are delayed.
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Post by geedawg on Jun 25, 2015 8:45:52 GMT -5
How in the world are Doherty/Mayer a 2nd seed.....they had to qualify last week, finished poorly and looked very weak compared to most teams there. Any word why Rosenthal couldn't play with Doherty as Sean originally thought he could?
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Post by guest2 on Jun 25, 2015 9:22:48 GMT -5
How in the world are Doherty/Mayer a 2nd seed.....they had to qualify last week, finished poorly and looked very weak compared to most teams there. FIVB pools were set months ago for World Championships (which I think is absurb). Doherty/Mayer slid into Dalhausser/Rosenthal's spot as a reserve team when they had to withdraw due to injury. I'm assuming the logistics of the multiple venues/cities, etc. made reseeding prohibitive. Great deal for Doherty/Mayer, however. They should have no problem getting out of pool. Reseeding is prohibitive? Why not just slide up all the US teams? That would benefit everyone, including the otherteams in those pools
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Post by klazk on Jun 25, 2015 10:23:36 GMT -5
In their defense you have 96 teams + officials + FIVB employees + support staff to coordinate. You are dealing with multiple cities, venues, hotel rooms, travel, etc.
What seems "easy enough" to us on the outside probably would be a nightmare to actually pull off considering your resources are likely close to maxed out already.
The team was not officially changed until this week, so it isn't like they had much notice.
I honestly believe competitive balance would be more unfairly skewed by moving up all of the US teams than just replacing the one. That's just my opinion, though.
It would be interesting to get information from a FIVB insider or one of the athletes about the logistics.
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Post by guest2 on Jun 25, 2015 12:34:37 GMT -5
I think the FIVB should have a procedure in place for something like this happening. Lets say Phil's injury is career ending, but he is good buddies with Mayer, why couldnt he just do the same thing. A 2 seed almost guarantees a place in the playoffs and probably a pool win. So instead of Doherty/Mayer scrapping to avoid a 25th, they now have a very good chance at 9th. Two of those and suddenly Doherty/Mayer have a huge leg up on whoever is right behind them
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Post by haze on Jun 25, 2015 14:44:30 GMT -5
How in the world are Doherty/Mayer a 2nd seed.....they had to qualify last week, finished poorly and looked very weak compared to most teams there. Any word why Rosenthal couldn't play with Doherty as Sean originally thought he could? Sounds like Rosie is all in on Phil or nobody. Wouldn't be surprised if those guys are done playing professionally after the next Olympics, and that's a big if they even qualify for it.
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Post by haze on Jun 25, 2015 14:47:41 GMT -5
I think the FIVB should have a procedure in place for something like this happening. Lets say Phil's injury is career ending, but he is good buddies with Mayer, why couldnt he just do the same thing. A 2 seed almost guarantees a place in the playoffs and probably a pool win. So instead of Doherty/Mayer scrapping to avoid a 25th, they now have a very good chance at 9th. Two of those and suddenly Doherty/Mayer have a huge leg up on whoever is right behind them Huge opportunity for Doherty and Mayer in Olympic Qualifying to get a leg up on that second team behind Patterson/Gibbs. They need to capitalize on their opportunity and get points.
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Post by tinman2 on Jun 25, 2015 16:27:17 GMT -5
I like Doherty and Mayer, but I really hope they don't end up qualifying for the Olympics, because of this. I know the Florida heat was a factor in how bad Doherty looked last week, but he's still lacking so many skills. His height made up for it at times, but he looked very raw, still, on so many plays. I found it funny that they served him mostly instead of Mayer. Nick and Theo looked very solid. Rosie looked like he's past his prime, but a healthy Phil can make him look a lot better.
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Post by klazk on Jun 25, 2015 17:13:30 GMT -5
I think the FIVB should have a procedure in place for something like this happening. Lets say Phil's injury is career ending, but he is good buddies with Mayer, why couldnt he just do the same thing. A 2 seed almost guarantees a place in the playoffs and probably a pool win. So instead of Doherty/Mayer scrapping to avoid a 25th, they now have a very good chance at 9th. Two of those and suddenly Doherty/Mayer have a huge leg up on whoever is right behind them The format of World Championships is different than a normal event. Winning your pool doesn't guarantee you a 9th. Top 2 teams in each pool plus the best 8 3rd place teams get to single elimination (a 17th). Difference in points per team between a 17th and a 33rd (bottom 4 3rd place teams) is 100 points. Different between 17th and 37th (4th place teams) is 200 points. So while an undeniable advantage, I don't think it is a game changer by any stretch in the grand scheme of Olympic qualification. Actually, looking at the pools, I think if I were Doherty/Mayer I'd like your idea better of moving all US teams down one country seed spot. The Russian team of Semenov/Krasilnokov in Lucena/Brunner's pool is the toughest team in either pool, but I would say the next 2 best teams are in Doherty/Mayer's pool. So I think they would actually have a better chance of advancing from that pool than their own pool. I see it as far more likely that they lose to both Kapa/McHugh and Dyachenko/Sidorenko and being a bottom 4 #3 team in Pool B than losing to either Keemink /Vismans or Kuleshov/Yakovlev in addition to Krasilnikov/Semenov in Pool J. Bottom line (for me) - with the parity in the sport I don't think it ends up being some huge injustice.
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Post by camkerr on Jun 26, 2015 7:44:51 GMT -5
Can I just say that I hate the website for World Championships. The normal FIVB site isn't great, but over the years I've at least figured out how to navigate it. The World Championships site is going to make me go back to BVBinfo to get results, even if they are delayed. I'm testing a new script out that runs every 5 mins to update my results. Lemme know what you think of my layout: volleyballsource.net/news/2015/6/24/2015-fivb-beach-volleyball-world-championshipsMatch #1 sometimes shows a score even though it won't be played until Tuesday. The FIVB has been testing their system with that match all week. The refreshing part of the script will start at 1:40 p.m. EST with the start of the first match. I encourage everyone to send me feedback on the site in general. I make it for volleyball fans like us, so if there's anything you like, don't like, or features you wanna see, lemme know.
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Post by klazk on Jun 26, 2015 8:33:15 GMT -5
I'm testing a new script out that runs every 5 mins to update my results. Lemme know what you think of my layout. Thank you Cam Kerr!
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Post by donnyb on Jun 26, 2015 13:17:30 GMT -5
I like Doherty and Mayer, but I really hope they don't end up qualifying for the Olympics, because of this. I know the Florida heat was a factor in how bad Doherty looked last week, but he's still lacking so many skills. His height made up for it at times, but he looked very raw, still, on so many plays. I found it funny that they served him mostly instead of Mayer. Nick and Theo looked very solid. Rosie looked like he's past his prime, but a healthy Phil can make him look a lot better. I don't like Ryan and John together. John is one of my favorite players but he's to small to play with Ryan at that high of level because of Ryan's setting. I think he only reason Ryan won games with Patterson is because Patterson is one of the best at siding out on a bad set!! I I watched the match in st Pete Ryan against Puerto Rico and they served Ryan first game and he didn't pass well but john rolled it up there for him and they rolled them up. Next game they served John and lost. Ryan's setting is all over the place. They ended up winning in 3 but that's against a weaker team. I don't think there's no way to beat a really good team. Maybe just maybe if John passes dimes and Ryan's setting is on that tournament. His hands has got better but some of the bump setting I saw him do was mind blowing for that level of ball.
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