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Post by onfiya on Sept 2, 2015 11:24:32 GMT -5
The SPRI setter is very good. And I think Iosia should have been ranked ahead of a couple of the remaining setters. yeah, it's not the SPRI's setter's fault that arguably the best setter in the 2017 class is in the same club and playing up. A player's potential should NOT be determined by which club team they play on. Absolutely agree with your last statement. But when you are talking the best 40 players in the country, there shouldn't be a kid on the list that their own club coach looks at them and says, nah give me another kid at her position...We are talking the best of the best. I have never seen the kid play. I'm sure she's fantastic. Damn well better be, to be ahead of a lot of kids on this list and many that aren't. Just as "A player's potential should NOT be determined by which club team they play on," so should it not be determined just because of what club they DO play for...just sayin'
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Sept 2, 2015 11:50:20 GMT -5
I don't care where Iosia is listed on the senior aces list. As someone pointed out already, it's just a number. Emily Hartong was ranked 48th and became a three-time AA at Hawai'i. Brittany Hewitt, who wasn't even in the top 100 of the list, also became a AA and led the country in blocks one year. Iosia will be able to develop her game under an Olympian in Robyn Ah Mow Santos, she doesn't need a number for validation or to succeed.
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Post by John Tawa-VolleyballMag.com on Sept 2, 2015 11:50:38 GMT -5
yeah, it's not the SPRI's setter's fault that arguably the best setter in the 2017 class is in the same club and playing up. A player's potential should NOT be determined by which club team they play on. Absolutely agree with your last statement. But when you are talking the best 40 players in the country, there shouldn't be a kid on the list that their own club coach looks at them and says, nah give me another kid at her position...We are talking the best of the best. I have never seen the kid play. I'm sure she's fantastic. Damn well better be, to be ahead of a lot of kids on this list and many that aren't. Just as "A player's potential should NOT be determined by which club team they play on," so should it not be determined just because of what club they DO play for...just sayin' Would you feel better to know that SPVB traditionally does not field or have a strong 17s team? 18 Red is, in many ways, like a 17-1 team for most other clubs. 18 Red is the team Nellie Spicer played on when she was a junior...
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Post by ay2013 on Sept 2, 2015 12:58:12 GMT -5
yeah, it's not the SPRI's setter's fault that arguably the best setter in the 2017 class is in the same club and playing up. A player's potential should NOT be determined by which club team they play on. Absolutely agree with your last statement. But when you are talking the best 40 players in the country, there shouldn't be a kid on the list that their own club coach looks at them and says, nah give me another kid at her position...We are talking the best of the best. I have never seen the kid play. I'm sure she's fantastic. Damn well better be, to be ahead of a lot of kids on this list and many that aren't. Just as "A player's potential should NOT be determined by which club team they play on," so should it not be determined just because of what club they DO play for...just sayin' Perhaps, but THIS situation is a bit different. It would be the club saying, we prefer the best setter to be on 18's Elite, and that best setter happens to be in the 2017 class, not the 2016 class. If they were picking people within the same class, I'd get your point, but they aren't.
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Post by WahineFan44 on Sept 2, 2015 13:04:54 GMT -5
Hawaii has been lucky over the years getting players that did way more than a high school ranking said they would - what was Willoughby ranked...or KK ranked?? I can name a bunch of big time recruits at Stanford, Neb, psu or text that didn't pan out. Just numbers folks... Willoughby and KK came out before the Senior Aces started. Hawaii's elite recruits do get rated Top 10 when warranted (Danielson, Croson, etc.), they just haven't really gotten consensus Top 10 players over the past decade, and I think Shoji would tell you that too. KK was ranked. That was the first year. I believe she was top 20. But the second or third setter of her class.
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Post by WahineFan44 on Sept 2, 2015 13:06:35 GMT -5
Carly Skjodt was Senior POY and ranked 26. While the POY is usually a great player, it does not directly correlate to next-level potential and shouldn't be expected to mean someone will be ranked at a certain place. There seems to be a perception among Wahine fans that Senior Aces are unfairly downplaying their recruits, that's just not born out by results - Hartong way outperforming expectations doesn't mean all Hawaii recruits are put too low. Hawaii has been lucky over the years getting players that did way more than a high school ranking said they would - what was Willoughby ranked...or KK ranked?? I can name a bunch of big time recruits at Stanford, Neb, psu or text that didn't pan out. Just numbers folks... I agree. Just feels nice to get those top recruits like the other schools do. Like wow, we got the second eater setter, or wow, we got a top ten receuit. (Not saying she should of been).
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Post by c4ndlelight on Sept 2, 2015 13:12:41 GMT -5
Willoughby and KK came out before the Senior Aces started. Hawaii's elite recruits do get rated Top 10 when warranted (Danielson, Croson, etc.), they just haven't really gotten consensus Top 10 players over the past decade, and I think Shoji would tell you that too. KK was ranked. That was the first year. I believe she was top 20. But the second or third setter of her class. There were senior aces for the class of 2003? Please post KK's actual ranking, as well as those above her.
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Post by ay2013 on Sept 2, 2015 13:13:59 GMT -5
On to matters other than the future Hawaii setter, anyone have their top 10 predictions?
1. USC 2. Stanford 3. Stanford 4. Texas 5. Wisconsin 6. Oregon 7. North Carolina 8. Florida 9. Nebraska 10. Kentucky
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Post by WahineFan44 on Sept 2, 2015 13:15:39 GMT -5
KK was ranked. That was the first year. I believe she was top 20. But the second or third setter of her class. There were senior aces for the class of 2003? Please post KK's actual ranking, as well as those above her. Someone posted it on this page, while saying who lived up to hype, but I can tell you with upmost confidence Richards was the number one recruit that year. But I'll try find it. In class, so may take awhile.
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Post by WahineFan44 on Sept 2, 2015 13:17:42 GMT -5
KK was ranked. That was the first year. I believe she was top 20. But the second or third setter of her class. There were senior aces for the class of 2003? Please post KK's actual ranking, as well as those above her. volleytalk.proboards.com/thread/12242/student-sports-hot-recruits-2003Thead posted by tawa. Granted it was called something else, but it became known as the senior aces.
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Post by vbprisoner on Sept 2, 2015 13:23:46 GMT -5
There were senior aces for the class of 2003? Please post KK's actual ranking, as well as those above her. Someone posted it on this page, while saying who lived up to hype, but I can tell you with upmost confidence Richards was the number one recruit that year. But I'll try find it. In class, so may take awhile. Damn wahinefan, focus on class while you are there. VT will be there when you get out. LOL
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Post by WahineFan44 on Sept 2, 2015 13:25:42 GMT -5
Someone posted it on this page, while saying who lived up to hype, but I can tell you with upmost confidence Richards was the number one recruit that year. But I'll try find it. In class, so may take awhile. Damn wahinefan, focus on class while you are there. VT will be there when you get out. LOL It's one of those basic math classes that I took in 9th grade. Not even taking it for math. It's for logic. We're going over stuff I've known for a long time lol.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Sept 2, 2015 13:28:16 GMT -5
Well, first go-around is often not the best...In any case, if you're talking about badly underrated, it wouldn't be KK, but CT, Houghtelling, Carter, Meriwether....... doesn't look like affiliation of school had anything to do with the misses.
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Post by WahineFan44 on Sept 2, 2015 13:34:02 GMT -5
Well, first go-around is often not the best...In any case, if you're talking about badly underrated, it wouldn't be KK, but CT, Houghtelling, Carter, Meriwether....... doesn't look like affiliation of school had anything to do with the misses. Never said that. Don't think KK was underrated. Just said that she was ranked. I do think hawaii reveuits have been underrated though. But not because they're going to Hawaii. Just ynderrated in general.
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