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Post by rainbowbadger on Jul 31, 2015 9:58:52 GMT -5
I think some of you may be forgetting that there are plenty of low level DI schools that are not fully funded and use the DII partial scholarship model. So SPRI may be able to get the OH touching 9'2" a scholarship (partial) at one of those DI schools. Especially if she is well trained, has good ball control, can hit to a variety of spots, etc. Note that many kids/parents want to say they are playing "DI" even if it is SWAC, Patriot, or Northeast Conference. Never mind that many DII and NAIA teams are stronger. Also note that many kids/parents want to say they are "on scholarship" even if it is a partial and they could go to a state school as a walk-on for less net cost. As Redbeard said differently, it is merely supply filling demand. Not entirely true, though, right? Volleyball is a head count sport in D1, so there are no partials. There are just up to 12 full rides, and the partially funded programs have fewer than 12. I thought partials only existed in D2. |
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Post by ja on Jul 31, 2015 11:18:28 GMT -5
I think some of you may be forgetting that there are plenty of low level DI schools that are not fully funded and use the DII partial scholarship model. So SPRI may be able to get the OH touching 9'2" a scholarship (partial) at one of those DI schools. Especially if she is well trained, has good ball control, can hit to a variety of spots, etc. Note that many kids/parents want to say they are playing "DI" even if it is SWAC, Patriot, or Northeast Conference. Never mind that many DII and NAIA teams are stronger. Also note that many kids/parents want to say they are "on scholarship" even if it is a partial and they could go to a state school as a walk-on for less net cost. As Redbeard said differently, it is merely supply filling demand. Not entirely true, though, right? Volleyball is a head count sport in D1, so there are no partials. There are just up to 12 full rides, and the partially funded programs have fewer than 12. I thought partials only existed in D2. There are plenty of DI programs offering a partial athletic scholarship. Yes, it is countable. Meaning, that you can not help more then 12 players on your roster. How much you can pay will depends on your budget. Some schools can offer room and board coverage and some will cover tuition. I know situations, when recruits where giving some amount and choice of using this money to cover tuition or other expenses. |
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Post by onfiya on Jul 31, 2015 11:23:20 GMT -5
Within a given year that is correct, each athlete on a DI scholarship is 100% paid for. However, many schools offer only one, two or three years to a player. Defensive players rarely get a full four years, and many partially funded programs will split the scholarships that they do have among more than one player.
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Post by rainbowbadger on Jul 31, 2015 12:03:53 GMT -5
Not entirely true, though, right? Volleyball is a head count sport in D1, so there are no partials. There are just up to 12 full rides, and the partially funded programs have fewer than 12. I thought partials only existed in D2. There are plenty of DI programs offering a partial athletic scholarship. Yes, it is countable. Meaning, that you can not help more then 12 players on your roster. How much you can pay will depends on your budget. Some schools can offer room and board coverage and some will cover tuition. I know situations, when recruits where giving some amount and choice of using this money to cover tuition or other expenses. Oh! Lightbulb. Makes sense. |
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Post by trollhunter on Jul 31, 2015 17:49:34 GMT -5
There are plenty of DI programs offering a partial athletic scholarship. Yes, it is countable. Meaning, that you can not help more then 12 players on your roster. How much you can pay will depends on your budget. Some schools can offer room and board coverage and some will cover tuition. I know situations, when recruits where giving some amount and choice of using this money to cover tuition or other expenses. Oh! Lightbulb. Makes sense. Yes, he nailed the answer. MOST DI schools are not fully funded for volleyball scholarships. Yes, more than 50% of DI schools. In that case, the coach might decide to give out 8 full rides and be done. Or Give out 12 rides at 75% percent (or some similar combination that adds up to 8 scholarships if that is their budget). You can't have more than 12 players receiving athletic funds, but it is usually better to give out 6 full rides and 4 half rides if you only have funding for 8 volleyball scholarships. DI can even stack in academic funds like DII if the player meets certain academic criteria. |
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Post by trollhunter on Jul 31, 2015 17:52:15 GMT -5
Not entirely true, though, right? Volleyball is a head count sport in D1, so there are no partials. There are just up to 12 full rides, and the partially funded programs have fewer than 12. I thought partials only existed in D2. Correct. Wrong and wrong. See my post above. |
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Post by redbeard2008 on Jul 31, 2015 20:03:10 GMT -5
MOST DI schools are not fully funded for volleyball scholarships. Yes, more than 50% of DI schools. In that case, the coach might decide to give out 8 full rides and be done. Or Give out 12 rides at 75% percent (or some similar combination that adds up to 8 scholarships if that is their budget). You can't have more than 12 players receiving athletic funds, but it is usually better to give out 6 full rides and 4 half rides if you only have funding for 8 volleyball scholarships. DI can even stack in academic funds like DII if the player meets certain academic criteria. Div-1 W. Volleyball being a "head count" sport means no partial scholarships. You can give less than 12, but you can't split them. Div-2, however, is not. |
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Post by trollhunter on Jul 31, 2015 20:23:34 GMT -5
Not sure where you got that info but it is wrong. Head count means a max of 12 players may receive ANY athletic aid. It does not specify that it must be a full grant in aid.
If the school only has funding for say 9 VB scholarships, most DI coaches will give like 7 full and 4 half scholarships (especially if those 4 can also get academic funds to make up some of difference). That is 11 headcount sharing 9 scholarships. Usually that works much better than just 9 kids on fulls plus walkons.
I can look up that NCAA legislation for you Monday. I know many coaches in DI that give partials.
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Post by ja on Jul 31, 2015 21:47:22 GMT -5
MOST DI schools are not fully funded for volleyball scholarships. Yes, more than 50% of DI schools. In that case, the coach might decide to give out 8 full rides and be done. Or Give out 12 rides at 75% percent (or some similar combination that adds up to 8 scholarships if that is their budget). You can't have more than 12 players receiving athletic funds, but it is usually better to give out 6 full rides and 4 half rides if you only have funding for 8 volleyball scholarships. DI can even stack in academic funds like DII if the player meets certain academic criteria. Div-1 W. Volleyball being a "head count" sport means no partial scholarships. You can give less than 12, but you can't split them. Div-2, however, is not. If I would not done so as a DI head coach, I maybe would listen to you. Sorry, wrong answer! You can give books to one of your walk on and she will be scholarship athlete at once! Even $1 will make her a head count! There are at least 4 conferences with very low athletics aid available to their member schools. Look up some stats and you will name them without any problem! Not every school have PSU or UCLA resources. Most small schools struggles with funding. There are still quiet few part-time DI head coaches out there. do you really think they have full 12 scholarships at those schools? |
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Post by redbeard2008 on Jul 31, 2015 22:03:37 GMT -5
Okay, I stand corrected. In headcount sports, you can split the money however you want, but not between more than the scholarship limit (12 for Div-1 women's volleyball, for instance). In equivalency sports, you can split it in as many pieces as you have players (softball, for instance).
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Post by awgriffey on Aug 1, 2015 20:33:30 GMT -5
I am amazed by anyone that would rank and choose their college based on the division that college competes in. I guess these people would assume that Emory, MIT, Williams, Amherst, NYU, Wellesley etc. provide their daughters with no chance of succeeding in life (all Div. III btw)? Can't get an athletic scholarship to a DIII school, though. For some it may be all about volleyball as a job that pays for school. |
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Post by awgriffey on Aug 1, 2015 20:41:05 GMT -5
Good grades go a long way towards paying for college. Much more of a sure thing than an athletic scholarship. My daughter never looked at anything lower than D2 until she realized she wanted to stay in state. She ended up at a great D3 school, playing volleyball, and 4/5ths of it is paid for through academic scholarships, and grants. We did the research on this, our "big club", knows nothing of D3 schools.;-)
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Post by cardinalvolleyball on Aug 2, 2015 8:44:06 GMT -5
Wrong and wrong. See my post above. For D1 if you are given a scholarship it is a full scholarship and cannot be split. But these scholarships are on a year to year basis. It is possible for a player to not have their scholarship for 4 years, but it is not possible at the D1 level to give a player a "partial scholarship" for that year. |
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Post by sevb on Aug 2, 2015 8:57:06 GMT -5
Wrong
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