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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2015 20:31:49 GMT -5
How much does it cost in your region to play boys club volleyball?
Here are the membership dues for some of the clubs in the Great Lakes Region. These dues are from last year or this upcoming year. They do not include travel or uniform costs as there is great fluctuation in those prices.
This information was compiled by locating information on club websites, tryout flyers, and/or contacting the club directors directly.
Ultimate: $1,000,000 (no information available. Club directors don’t return calls or respond to emails. Hands down winner of the #1 provider of customer service in Chicago Area. Why the mystery?)
Adversity: $2,500
D1 North: $2,300
D1 South: $2,050
Hitmen: $1,800 ($1600, includes $200 required fundraising or you pay that $200 goes to scholarship fund for players. Potential NCAA violation???)
Naperville: $1,799 (17s/18s), $1,599 (16s/15s)
Sports Performance: $1,795 (17s/18s), $1,695 (16s), $1,500 (15s)
Pipeline: $1,699
Club 1: $1,655
Cyclones: $1,450
Chicago Elite Volleyball Club: $1,295 (Oct–Feb Only)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2015 15:14:53 GMT -5
This is very interesting. I couldn't believe the fluctuation in prices for dues from $1295 to $2500, so I had to check these prices out for myself. They are correct.
Some differences vary from the number of practices, number of tournaments, length of season, etc... Programs in the same geographic area seem to have competitive prices with each other on paper.
For example, Hitmen, SPVB, NVC, Pipeline, Club 1, and Cyclones are generally in the same area. But when you compare the number of practices, length of practices, number of tournaments, length of season, etc. between those clubs you get more for your money with Sports Performance. I guess it pays to have your own facility.
I can't believe parents would pay the Adversity and D1 North prices, but what options do they have.
Ultimate VBC comment cracks me up though.
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Post by rhinovb14 on Aug 24, 2015 20:18:07 GMT -5
Buffalo $600
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Post by unbiasedcoach on Aug 24, 2015 21:18:23 GMT -5
How much does it cost in your region to play boys club volleyball?
Here are the membership dues for some of the clubs in the Great Lakes Region. These dues are from last year or this upcoming year. They do not include travel or uniform costs as there is great fluctuation in those prices.
This information was compiled by locating information on club websites, tryout flyers, and/or contacting the club directors directly.
Ultimate: $1,000,000 (no information available. Club directors don’t return calls or respond to emails. Hands down winner of the #1 provider of customer service in Chicago Area. Why the mystery?)
Adversity: $2,500
D1 North: $2,300
D1 South: $2,050
Hitmen: $1,800 ($1600, includes $200 required fundraising or you pay that $200 goes to scholarship fund for players. Potential NCAA violation???)
Naperville: $1,799 (17s/18s), $1,599 (16s/15s)
Sports Performance: $1,795 (17s/18s), $1,695 (16s), $1,500 (15s)
Pipeline: $1,699
Club 1: $1,655
Cyclones: $1,450
Chicago Elite Volleyball Club: $1,295 (Oct–Feb Only)
Vortex: $3,400 National, $2,700 Regional (website is bland and not very helpful letting you know when you get your gold plated volleyball) Top Flight: $1,495 (uniform, 10 tourneys, have own new facility) Sky High: Website tells you to play for Adversity Fusion: Doesn't even have a sniff of a boys program on the website anymore Have you ever tried to rent courts at Palos, I can't even imagine what those who play there must include in costs. I think a few other questions could make the bang for your buck question interesting, assuming the majority of everyone practices twice a week averaging 2 hours with uniforms not included except those mentioned; -What is the average number of tourneys for all of these clubs? -Do the majority of these clubs go to USAV or AAU? -How many others besides Sports Performance and Top Flight have their own facilities? -What are they paying their staff? -What else are you going to get nickel and dimed for- ball/bag/warmups/team activities/tournaments? -How committed are the coaches, do they often miss practices or have subs at tournaments? I.M.O a lot more than just the cost should go into picking the club your son plays for. I think you have to do your homework as I know I will when that time comes (hoping they play volleyball) to make an educated decision. Hypothetically do I want to play for Vortex because I assume my son will get carbon fiber uniforms that are lighter and make him jump higher in that $3,400, should I pick Pipeline because they are close to me and all my kids friends play for them, or would I make the decision to play Sports Performance or Top Flight because they have very nice facilities dedicated only to volleyball with a reasonable cost. What does everything in that eventual cost give me and what is that worth compared to the experience and growth my kids will get from the game and all that it teaches? Or is it all just a name and what is convenient? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2015 23:30:36 GMT -5
Adversity also has their own facility. The benefit of attending a club with its own facility is unlimited access year round to lift or practice.
All the clubs are USAV for high school ages.
The majority of these clubs all play in the same tournaments and Bid events: IL Bid event, MO Bid event, Palos tournaments, Great Lakes Center Tournaments, NVC/Lewis Tournaments, Adversity Tournaments, SYNC Tournaments, etc.
Most clubs only practice 2x per week for the majority of the season for 2 to 2.5 hours, except Sports Performance practices 3-4x per week for 2.5 to 3 hours; Hitmen practices 2-3x per week for 2.5 to 3 hours.
Some clubs offer strength and conditioning programs.
The larger clubs may not have staffing problems as it is easier to cover for illnesses or conflicts.
You are correct that cost is not the only factor when choosing where to play. How do those athletes contribute to their high school teams? How does the club finish at National events? Where and how many athletes play collegiate volleyball (a good sign of the quality of training)? How successful are those alumni at the next level? What experience am I looking for (recreational-player to elite-player)?
I always like the friends argument on where to play. Or when a group of families get together to decide where the group is going. It really happens. This makes no sense to me. I would think like life (schools, college, workplace), kids can make friends where ever they go. I would do what is best for my son/daughter not some other kid.
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Post by Semp12 on Aug 25, 2015 10:50:17 GMT -5
These prices are nothing compared to some of the girls clubs out there. There is a reason some of the girls clubs try and start guys, then say forget it when they realize their isn't the same kind of money to be made as the market has set for girls club ball.
Gym space is extremely expensive when paying "regular price". Those practices all add up.
There are a lot of factors that go into it, that may make a few hundred dollars not a big deal at the end of the day.
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Post by ahurlburt on Aug 25, 2015 11:10:47 GMT -5
How much does it cost in your region to play boys club volleyball?
Here are the membership dues for some of the clubs in the Great Lakes Region. These dues are from last year or this upcoming year. They do not include travel or uniform costs as there is great fluctuation in those prices.
This information was compiled by locating information on club websites, tryout flyers, and/or contacting the club directors directly.
Ultimate: $1,000,000 (no information available. Club directors don’t return calls or respond to emails. Hands down winner of the #1 provider of customer service in Chicago Area. Why the mystery?)
Adversity: $2,500
D1 North: $2,300
D1 South: $2,050
Hitmen: $1,800 ($1600, includes $200 required fundraising or you pay that $200 goes to scholarship fund for players. Potential NCAA violation???)
Naperville: $1,799 (17s/18s), $1,599 (16s/15s)
Sports Performance: $1,795 (17s/18s), $1,695 (16s), $1,500 (15s)
Pipeline: $1,699
Club 1: $1,655
Cyclones: $1,450
Chicago Elite Volleyball Club: $1,295 (Oct–Feb Only)
Vortex: $3,400 National, $2,700 Regional (website is bland and not very helpful letting you know when you get your gold plated volleyball) Top Flight: $1,495 (uniform, 10 tourneys, have own new facility) Sky High: Website tells you to play for Adversity Fusion: Doesn't even have a sniff of a boys program on the website anymore Have you ever tried to rent courts at Palos, I can't even imagine what those who play there must include in costs. I think a few other questions could make the bang for your buck question interesting, assuming the majority of everyone practices twice a week averaging 2 hours with uniforms not included except those mentioned; -What is the average number of tourneys for all of these clubs? -Do the majority of these clubs go to USAV or AAU? -How many others besides Sports Performance and Top Flight have their own facilities? -What are they paying their staff? -What else are you going to get nickel and dimed for- ball/bag/warmups/team activities/tournaments? -How committed are the coaches, do they often miss practices or have subs at tournaments? I.M.O a lot more than just the cost should go into picking the club your son plays for. I think you have to do your homework as I know I will when that time comes (hoping they play volleyball) to make an educated decision. Hypothetically do I want to play for Vortex because I assume my son will get carbon fiber uniforms that are lighter and make him jump higher in that $3,400, should I pick Pipeline because they are close to me and all my kids friends play for them, or would I make the decision to play Sports Performance or Top Flight because they have very nice facilities dedicated only to volleyball with a reasonable cost. What does everything in that eventual cost give me and what is that worth compared to the experience and growth my kids will get from the game and all that it teaches? Or is it all just a name and what is convenient? Unbiased, I like both your name and your willingness to look a little deeper into costs... Being someone that is involved in deciding costs/budgets, this is something that I've put a lot of thought into! I like a lot of the things that you brought up (quality of coaches, quality of competition within the club, etc.). The trouble with these things, however, is that they are not quite objective, and their 'values' have a lot to do with public perception (marketing?). While it would be very difficult to get this kind of information for every club, some other relevant statistics would be these, as they are completely quantifiable: $/practice hour - Comparing $/practice hour gives you a really good idea of how much you are paying for the actual training your child is receiving. Sure, this training may be more or less productive based on the program's setup/coaches/internal competition, but this is still a nice, hard statistic to take a look at. A club with comparable prices, but fewer practices, may not be as valuable as another club with more practice hours. $/tournament hour - Competing is a big part of the cost for club. I'm sure a lot of you are aware, but the cost per team at a tournament is quite high, and is a large part of what drives up the cost of club. How much actual competition is my kid getting for the amount of money I am paying? Possibly not as subjective as the value of the $/practice hour, considering that most clubs are involved in similar tournaments, and, therefore, experience similar competition relative to their team's talent level. I'd consider this a pretty relevant statistic. Just some thoughts to throw around... |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2015 12:11:03 GMT -5
I agree with you on $/practice hour as good information - How many players are on a court? How many teams are on a court? What are your rental fees/hour (own facility)?
For example, Sports Performance trains with 2 teams on a court, so roughly 20 players. Their practices are structured around this system. Plus they own their facility, so they maybe are paying half the cost of rental (maybe $30/hr compared to $60/hr). Therefore, they can train more days a week and keep overall costs down to the families. You get more for your investment.
On the other hand, you train with one team on a court with just 10 players factoring into that $60/hr rental fee. No wonder some clubs can't practice more that 2x/week and for 2 hours. It would be too expensive.
$/tournament hour makes no sense. It has nothing to do with time. If all the clubs in the Chicago Area play in similar tournaments, the cost would be similar between all clubs. The difference would be how many tournament dates and how many players on a team.
And how does that scholarship fund work for Hitmen without jeopardizing their NCAA eligibility?
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Post by rogero1 on Aug 25, 2015 12:19:31 GMT -5
When I used to coach at Adversity, we played nearly twice (16-18) as many tournaments as any other club in the Region (just about every weekend). So, that drove up the cost. Every tournament fee (including nationals and 2 travel tournaments with their hotels) were included in the total. Travel and food were the only two variable costs not included in the total. Some clubs advertise their fees as being low, but IMHO, you get what you pay for.
$1700-1800 seems about right for clubs playing a normal schedule and not including nationals and travel tourneys.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2015 12:30:41 GMT -5
When I used to coach at Adversity, we played nearly twice (16-18) as many tournaments as any other club in the Region (just about every weekend). So, that drove up the cost. Every tournament fee (including nationals and 2 travel tournaments with their hotels) were included in the total. Travel and food were the only two variable costs not included in the total. Some clubs advertise their fees as being low, but IMHO, you get what you pay for. $1700-1800 seems about right for clubs playing a normal schedule and not including nationals and travel tourneys. Let's be honest all those extra tournaments were at Adversity. Nobody went, so basically an in-house scrimmage. Ok. Maybe 1 other club team. Another reason to charge more money.
Times have changed at Adversity. Last year, Fees $2500, Uniforms $265, Travel expenses for player and staff not included.
All the clubs I listed before are dues only. Uniforms were separate for each club. Travel costs were separate for each club.
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Post by yorktowne12 on Aug 25, 2015 12:38:27 GMT -5
Yorktowne we are $1200-1700. Just depends what team you are on. That cost does not include players travel. Our players room with their parents to save money. All other cost are included. However we do a separate budget for nationals. But again that cost since travel is not included ranges from $250-450. UNIFORM COST, COACHES FEES, TRAVEL COST, GYM, ETC ETC EVERYTHING ELSE BUILT INTO BUDGET.
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Post by lifewillgoon on Aug 25, 2015 13:48:47 GMT -5
Balboa Bay is $2650.
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Post by ahurlburt on Aug 26, 2015 13:43:35 GMT -5
I agree with you on $/practice hour as good information - How many players are on a court? How many teams are on a court? What are your rental fees/hour (own facility)?
For example, Sports Performance trains with 2 teams on a court, so roughly 20 players. Their practices are structured around this system. Plus they own their facility, so they maybe are paying half the cost of rental (maybe $30/hr compared to $60/hr). Therefore, they can train more days a week and keep overall costs down to the families. You get more for your investment.
On the other hand, you train with one team on a court with just 10 players factoring into that $60/hr rental fee. No wonder some clubs can't practice more that 2x/week and for 2 hours. It would be too expensive.
$/tournament hour makes no sense. It has nothing to do with time. If all the clubs in the Chicago Area play in similar tournaments, the cost would be similar between all clubs. The difference would be how many tournament dates and how many players on a team.
And how does that scholarship fund work for Hitmen without jeopardizing their NCAA eligibility?
Volley, The scholarship fund that was referred to at Hitmen VBC was an idea that didn't ever gain traction for a variety of reasons. It was abolished last season and will not be active for the future. In regards to the $/tournament hour, you are right that it ultimately comes down to how many tournaments you are involved in. At some of the bigger clubs, most everyone plays at the same tournaments, but there are still discrepancies. Also, clubs like Club 1, Uno, and other smaller clubs are not at nearly as many of the tournaments that your SPVB, Hitmen, NVC, Adversity, etc. are involved in. Do you agree with that? |
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Post by ahurlburt on Aug 26, 2015 13:46:51 GMT -5
How much does it cost in your region to play boys club volleyball?
Here are the membership dues for some of the clubs in the Great Lakes Region. These dues are from last year or this upcoming year. They do not include travel or uniform costs as there is great fluctuation in those prices.
This information was compiled by locating information on club websites, tryout flyers, and/or contacting the club directors directly.
Ultimate: $1,000,000 (no information available. Club directors don’t return calls or respond to emails. Hands down winner of the #1 provider of customer service in Chicago Area. Why the mystery?)
Adversity: $2,500
D1 North: $2,300
D1 South: $2,050
Hitmen: $1,800 ($1600, includes $200 required fundraising or you pay that $200 goes to scholarship fund for players. Potential NCAA violation???)
Naperville: $1,799 (17s/18s), $1,599 (16s/15s)
Sports Performance: $1,795 (17s/18s), $1,695 (16s), $1,500 (15s)
Pipeline: $1,699
Club 1: $1,655
Cyclones: $1,450
Chicago Elite Volleyball Club: $1,295 (Oct–Feb Only)
Vortex: $3,400 National, $2,700 Regional (website is bland and not very helpful letting you know when you get your gold plated volleyball) Top Flight: $1,495 (uniform, 10 tourneys, have own new facility) Sky High: Website tells you to play for Adversity Fusion: Doesn't even have a sniff of a boys program on the website anymore Have you ever tried to rent courts at Palos, I can't even imagine what those who play there must include in costs. I think a few other questions could make the bang for your buck question interesting, assuming the majority of everyone practices twice a week averaging 2 hours with uniforms not included except those mentioned; -What is the average number of tourneys for all of these clubs? -Do the majority of these clubs go to USAV or AAU? -How many others besides Sports Performance and Top Flight have their own facilities? -What are they paying their staff? -What else are you going to get nickel and dimed for- ball/bag/warmups/team activities/tournaments? -How committed are the coaches, do they often miss practices or have subs at tournaments? I.M.O a lot more than just the cost should go into picking the club your son plays for. I think you have to do your homework as I know I will when that time comes (hoping they play volleyball) to make an educated decision. Hypothetically do I want to play for Vortex because I assume my son will get carbon fiber uniforms that are lighter and make him jump higher in that $3,400, should I pick Pipeline because they are close to me and all my kids friends play for them, or would I make the decision to play Sports Performance or Top Flight because they have very nice facilities dedicated only to volleyball with a reasonable cost. What does everything in that eventual cost give me and what is that worth compared to the experience and growth my kids will get from the game and all that it teaches? Or is it all just a name and what is convenient? Is Vortex really that expensive? I'm curious as to what is involved in that cost. I've played against a handful of Vortex teams and am familiar with the director and some coaches. They seem to be a solid program with good training and whatnot, but what has led to their price being SO much higher than the regional average (1700-1800ish)? |
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Post by volleybro11 on Aug 26, 2015 20:56:17 GMT -5
Adversity also has their own facility. The benefit of attending a club with its own facility is unlimited access year round to lift or practice. All the clubs are USAV for high school ages. The majority of these clubs all play in the same tournaments and Bid events: IL Bid event, MO Bid event, Palos tournaments, Great Lakes Center Tournaments, NVC/Lewis Tournaments, Adversity Tournaments, SYNC Tournaments, etc. Most clubs only practice 2x per week for the majority of the season for 2 to 2.5 hours, except Sports Performance practices 3-4x per week for 2.5 to 3 hours; Hitmen practices 2-3x per week for 2.5 to 3 hours. Some clubs offer strength and conditioning programs. The larger clubs may not have staffing problems as it is easier to cover for illnesses or conflicts. You are correct that cost is not the only factor when choosing where to play. How do those athletes contribute to their high school teams? How does the club finish at National events? Where and how many athletes play collegiate volleyball (a good sign of the quality of training)? How successful are those alumni at the next level? What experience am I looking for (recreational-player to elite-player)? I always like the friends argument on where to play. Or when a group of families get together to decide where the group is going. It really happens. This makes no sense to me. I would think like life (schools, college, workplace), kids can make friends where ever they go. I would do what is best for my son/daughter not some other kid. Hitmen also just recently acquired a facility of their own. |
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