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Post by bownlovingfreak on Aug 27, 2015 23:35:03 GMT -5
Does anyone else find the Lauren Plum commentary to be offensive? We all agree that Kokyu states things that most disagree with. Mostly this is regarding his feelings for Lauren. However, in the process of trying to tear down Kokyu, many tear down Lauren Plum. Lately there has been some nasty comments about her and I think it's extremely unfair.
She is and was an amazing athlete. Let's not forget that. If you have a problem with Kokyu, take it up with him, rather than attempting to use her as an insult.
Thoughts?
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Post by huskerjen on Aug 28, 2015 0:13:36 GMT -5
What's been said that's so offensive? That she's nowhere to be found in the USNT gym? If that hurts your feelings, or Lauren's, I'd say grow up and get a thicker skin. The real world is much harsher than that benign criticism on a message board. If she's been personally attacked based on things non-volleyball related, then I'd agree. I guess I haven't seen anyone commenting on her looks, intellect, etc. Things that would be considered below the belt.
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Post by network155 on Aug 28, 2015 3:28:20 GMT -5
I have not read anything about Plum recently on VT or anywhere else for that matter.
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Post by ballervolley on Aug 28, 2015 3:30:54 GMT -5
What's been said that's so offensive? That she's nowhere to be found in the USNT gym? If that hurts your feelings, or Lauren's, I'd say grow up and get a thicker skin. The real world is much harsher than that benign criticism on a message board. If she's been personally attacked based on things non-volleyball related, then I'd agree. I guess I haven't seen anyone commenting on her looks, intellect, etc. Things that would be considered below the belt. you're missing the point completely |
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Post by maplespear on Aug 28, 2015 6:29:19 GMT -5
Who is Lauren Plum and is she married to John Galt ?
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Post by #skoskers on Aug 28, 2015 8:10:19 GMT -5
Does anyone else find the Lauren Plum commentary to be offensive? We all agree that Kokyu states things that most disagree with. Mostly this is regarding his feelings for Lauren. However, in the process of trying to tear down Kokyu, many tear down Lauren Plum. Lately there has been some nasty comments about her and I think it's extremely unfair. She is and was an amazing athlete. Let's not forget that. If you have a problem with Kokyu, take it up with him, rather than attempting to use her as an insult. Thoughts? Thanks for finally posting this, bownlovingfreak. It's mostly DMT (and Wahinefan echoing him), who disparages Plum in efforts to chastise Kokyu. It's so unfair to Plum and her other fans, so thanks for pointing that out and calling for an end to this. |
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Post by huskerjen on Aug 28, 2015 8:34:48 GMT -5
What's been said that's so offensive? That she's nowhere to be found in the USNT gym? If that hurts your feelings, or Lauren's, I'd say grow up and get a thicker skin. The real world is much harsher than that benign criticism on a message board. If she's been personally attacked based on things non-volleyball related, then I'd agree. I guess I haven't seen anyone commenting on her looks, intellect, etc. Things that would be considered below the belt. you're missing the point completely No I'm not. I understand that people want kokyu criticized without attacking Plum. However, kokyu's contention is that Plum is the best setter in the US system right now. I don't think it's unfair to point out that she's clearly not the best, nor even in the conversation based on her lack of participation. That's not a personal insult to her, it's just the truth of the matter. |
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Post by volleyguy on Aug 28, 2015 8:44:13 GMT -5
you're missing the point completely No I'm not. I understand that people want kokyu criticized without attacking Plum. However, kokyu's contention is that Plum is the best setter in the US system right now. I don't think it's unfair to point out that she's clearly not the best, nor even in the conversation based on her lack of participation. That's not a personal insult to her, it's just the truth of the matter. Perhaps the point that you are missing is that it's pointless to argue with Kokyu at all. |
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Post by #skoskers on Aug 28, 2015 8:47:02 GMT -5
you're missing the point completely No I'm not. I understand that people want kokyu criticized without attacking Plum. However, kokyu's contention is that Plum is the best setter in the US system right now. I don't think it's unfair to point out that she's clearly not the best, nor even in the conversation based on her lack of participation. That's not a personal insult to her, it's just the truth of the matter. To prove a similar point to a certain poster once, I asked him why he wouldn't ever move up the coaching ranks to become a college HC, and it sent him into a tizzy. He knows he's not qualified for such a position, and he wigged out on me for even bringing it to public notice on this forum. He certainly didn't like the attention it brought him, as I'm sure Plum and her family are embarrassed by both Kokyu and the people who sneer her in order to belittle him. Also, why talk about Plum's abilities or inabilities to argue with Kokyu when one can simply talk up the other setters in the gym instead? It's a conducive way to refute Kokyu's claims without denigrating Plum. For example, if Kokyu complains that Plum didn't make a certain roster, why can't we talk about the hard work or talents of the setters that actually were chosen? In the Nebraska thread, I was the first proponent of moving Amber Rolfzen to the middle this season. I never once spoke negatively about the returning middles; instead I focused on Amber's potential and strengths. Similarly, when I prompted a discussion about Anni being a 6-rotation player this season, I didn't have to say anything negative about the other outside hitters. |
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Post by huskerjen on Aug 28, 2015 9:48:09 GMT -5
No I'm not. I understand that people want kokyu criticized without attacking Plum. However, kokyu's contention is that Plum is the best setter in the US system right now. I don't think it's unfair to point out that she's clearly not the best, nor even in the conversation based on her lack of participation. That's not a personal insult to her, it's just the truth of the matter. Perhaps the point that you are missing is that it's pointless to argue with Kokyu at all. I don't argue with kokyu. I don't address him at all. I wish DMT and others would get the memo and he'd disappear completely. |
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Post by huskerjen on Aug 28, 2015 9:50:40 GMT -5
No I'm not. I understand that people want kokyu criticized without attacking Plum. However, kokyu's contention is that Plum is the best setter in the US system right now. I don't think it's unfair to point out that she's clearly not the best, nor even in the conversation based on her lack of participation. That's not a personal insult to her, it's just the truth of the matter. To prove a similar point to a certain poster once, I asked him why he wouldn't ever move up the coaching ranks to become a college HC, and it sent him into a tizzy. He knows he's not qualified for such a position, and he wigged out on me for even bringing it to public notice on this forum. He certainly didn't like the attention it brought him, as I'm sure Plum and her family are embarrassed by both Kokyu and the people who sneer her in order to belittle him. Also, why talk about Plum's abilities or inabilities to argue with Kokyu when one can simply talk up the other setters in the gym instead? It's a conducive way to refute Kokyu's claims without denigrating Plum. For example, if Kokyu complains that Plum didn't make a certain roster, why can't we talk about the hard work or talents of the setters that actually were chosen? In the Nebraska thread, I was the first proponent of moving Amber Rolfzen to the middle this season. I never once spoke negatively about the returning middles; instead I focused on Amber's potential and strengths. Similarly, when I prompted a discussion about Anni being a 6-rotation player this season, I didn't have to say anything negative about the other outside hitters. That's your tact. Others have a different tact. In the end, if the criticism is volleyball skill related, then it's not an unfair attack. Plum isn't good enough to be the setter of the USNT. That goes for almost all other setters who've graduated from college in recent years. If people are offended by reality, then they need to toughen up. |
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Post by ballervolley on Aug 28, 2015 9:55:06 GMT -5
To prove a similar point to a certain poster once, I asked him why he wouldn't ever move up the coaching ranks to become a college HC, and it sent him into a tizzy. He knows he's not qualified for such a position, and he wigged out on me for even bringing it to public notice on this forum. He certainly didn't like the attention it brought him, as I'm sure Plum and her family are embarrassed by both Kokyu and the people who sneer her in order to belittle him. Also, why talk about Plum's abilities or inabilities to argue with Kokyu when one can simply talk up the other setters in the gym instead? It's a conducive way to refute Kokyu's claims without denigrating Plum. For example, if Kokyu complains that Plum didn't make a certain roster, why can't we talk about the hard work or talents of the setters that actually were chosen? In the Nebraska thread, I was the first proponent of moving Amber Rolfzen to the middle this season. I never once spoke negatively about the returning middles; instead I focused on Amber's potential and strengths. Similarly, when I prompted a discussion about Anni being a 6-rotation player this season, I didn't have to say anything negative about the other outside hitters. That's your tact. Others have a different tact. In the end, if the criticism is volleyball skill related, then it's not an unfair attack. Plum isn't good enough to be the setter of the USNT. That goes for almost all other setters who've graduated from college in recent years. If people are offended by reality, then they need to toughen up. please don't talk reality when you know nothing about the usa system. |
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Post by bownlovingfreak on Aug 28, 2015 10:03:10 GMT -5
One example of a typical situation here on VT. And pardon my ignorance, as I don't tend to pay attention to users, so it is possible it is the same users continually insulting her.
Koyku: I think Destinee Hooker should be back
RANDOM POSTER: Why so she can join Lauren Plum and the USA will never lose?
Kokyu: I disagree with Karch's game plan in this set.
RANDOM POSTER: Yes, because Lauren Plum would have made all the difference.
Kokyu: I believe setters should set 3.2 sets to their opposites on the X play during the rotation where setter is in position 2. (yadayadayada)
RANDOM POSTER: ONLY PLUM CAN DO THIS, SHE IS AMAZING
I have seen situations like this ALL the time! Where Plum has NOTHING to do with the conversation, but someone brings her up. Personally, I found this offensive to make light of the fact that Plum isn't on the national team, nor should she be. I wish Nellie Spicer was on the team, and unfortunately she didn't had what was needed, but we aren't constantly bringing her failure of making the team to this thread.
Obviously if the prompt warrants discussion where Plum is relevant, then certainly bring her up, but I would hope people would back off!
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Post by ballervolley on Aug 28, 2015 10:25:23 GMT -5
Perhaps the point that you are missing is that it's pointless to argue with Kokyu at all. I don't argue with kokyu. I don't address him at all. I wish DMT and others would get the memo and he'd disappear completely. why? he has shed light on an important issue on here before and what have you done huh? defend people who make jokes out of an innocent bystander. |
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Post by claw on Aug 28, 2015 10:55:27 GMT -5
Does anyone else find the Lauren Plum commentary to be offensive? We all agree that Kokyu states things that most disagree with. Mostly this is regarding his feelings for Lauren. However, in the process of trying to tear down Kokyu, many tear down Lauren Plum. Lately there has been some nasty comments about her and I think it's extremely unfair. She is and was an amazing athlete. Let's not forget that. If you have a problem with Kokyu, take it up with him, rather than attempting to use her as an insult. Thoughts?
I find kokyu's comments about Plum to be scary at times. Hopefully it's just a little crush and not escalating into stalking.
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