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Post by dorothymantooth on Oct 10, 2015 11:31:44 GMT -5
What was really strange about that call was that it was made by the down official from the other side of the court when both the up official and line judge had clear views. Can't the up official overrule in that situation? Yes, could have over ruled. The R2 must know calling a touch on the outside blocker on the R1 side is a no win, especially with a double block. If you think you see a touch but neither lj or R1 have it, EAT IT. I am surprised the R1 took the call. Had this happen in HS match last week. So frustrating. As you said, if the people with the best vantage point aren't calling it, you either have marvel comic super powers, or you are wrong.
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Post by #skoskers on Oct 10, 2015 11:33:05 GMT -5
Also, anyone seen Frantti? What has happened to her? Illinois did an efficient job of taking her out of the match offensively and defensively. She got targeted early in serve-receive and was over digging quite a bit until Rose subbed in Kendall Pierce for her back-row rotations.
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Post by #skoskers on Oct 10, 2015 11:35:28 GMT -5
Yes, could have over ruled. The R2 must know calling a touch on the outside blocker on the R1 side is a no win, especially with a double block. If you think you see a touch but neither lj or R1 have it, EAT IT. I am surprised the R1 took the call. Had this happen in HS match last week. So frustrating. As you said, if the people with the best vantage point aren't calling it, you either have marvel comic super powers, or you are wrong. The ball was 1.5 feet away (not exaggerating) from PSU's player. IMO this match could have gone down in three if Illinois offered replay challenges.
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Post by 2muchbs on Oct 10, 2015 11:47:04 GMT -5
Here's another gem from Tortorello. I was like wtf -_- lol If you've listened to her before you know she uses some strange analogies. She didn't mean anything by it. In the replay on the play in question it was out and was not touched, but I don't know that it would be a game changer. The Illini figured out that the OHs are their "bread and butter" I'll borrow that Tortorello. As soon as they figured out that the OH can hit over the block we started scoring. Tight to the net and low is not condusive to over the top production. Conard should be in the game. Naya is a presence they need on the OP. I thought Washington had a good game Huff is a tough environment to play in. Their setter is very very good.
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Post by notwvb on Oct 10, 2015 11:56:33 GMT -5
Here's another gem from Tortorello. I took it to mean the darkness of the uniforms, which are attached to the arms and bodies of the Penn State players. It's no secret that the key to Penn State's long running dominance has been its patented product enabling PSU uniforms to attach to the bodies of its players, and its patent pending jersey material for extra attachment to the arms. Most have read and can sympathize with Dunning's lament, "We were right there in the '13 and '14 tourney against PSU and then things started to unravel, literally. It was the damnedest thing. Our jerseys were, like, flying off left (OH) and right (OPP). I felt sorry for the girls. Pretty embarrassing for the Cardinal. We'll be fine as soon as the PSU patent expires."
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Post by vballfreak808 on Oct 10, 2015 13:51:23 GMT -5
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Post by volleyfan24 on Oct 10, 2015 13:53:14 GMT -5
My thoughts on the game: Washington didn't have a huge night, she looks much more comfortable on the slide opposed to hitting fast balls in the middle. That'll improve with time. Frantti doesn't seem to have the same killer instinct she did last year. She has a cannon of an arm and can power through blocks with a solid set, but something just seems a little off compared to last year. It's most likely just a product of hitting off Weiskircher vs. Hancock. Penn State is still the title favorite IMO if they go back to Whitney on the pin, because they'll have 3 true outlets at all times (Whitney on the right, Courtney out of the pipe or left, Frantti on the left) and one of the nation's best offensive middles in Washington. So much balance on offense. Very entertaining match, well worth a couple of hours last night! Hate to say it but Washington's hit is very dig-able, even though she has a high hitting%. There are too many times she just lazily hit the ball last night, where I thought, why didn't she just pound the ball? Those lazy hit balls just got dug up too easily. Drove me nuts. I noticed that in the Nebraska and MN matches as well. She is not Foluke or Harmotto yet. Same with Weiskircher's attacks. No heat at all whatsoever. Until then, this team is very beatable like Nebraska and MN have shown. And I probably agree with you on Whitney back the RS, but Thelen is such a liability on offense... I don't know. Will we see Gorrell this year? Is she better than Thelen? I trust RR. So we'll se in December. Thank you for saying this. I like that we have such a wealth of talented middles waiting in the wings but everyone seems to think these girls are suddenly the heir to the throne when all need work to be at the level of our current middles for Team USA. I like Washington, Chiaka, Alhassan even Inky but to think any of the three is in over Foluke, Dixon, or Harmotto seems off base for now.
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Post by alt on Oct 10, 2015 14:08:02 GMT -5
I was happy to see Illinois fight back in the 3rd and play it close during the 4th. I think the turning point for them was bringing in Conard as the DS instead of Davis and having Crittendon play right side. Although she had a couple of hitting errors, Crittendon had a good block and a physical presence at the net. I think Hambly should stick with those 2 in the line up. The defense and passing was so much better. No doubt I think Conard was the better DS. Once she was subbed in the defense picked up for the Illini quickly. Canard needs to stay in the matched she stabilized this team, even though she plays half the match. I also think that Naya should be RS. Illini may not get a lot of offense from her, but she does bring physicality that Illini need. Although she does need to learn how not to hit it straight into the block or hitting wide with only one blocker. Hambly really needs to work on her. Sad to see no production from Katie Stadick especially after she had been doing so well before.
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Post by alt on Oct 10, 2015 14:10:20 GMT -5
Illinois is having to trouble staying in system with free balls. Thats a problem, Poulter has to get to the ten foot line to set Penn States free balls.
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Post by bballnut90 on Oct 10, 2015 15:19:49 GMT -5
My thoughts on the game: Washington didn't have a huge night, she looks much more comfortable on the slide opposed to hitting fast balls in the middle. That'll improve with time. Frantti doesn't seem to have the same killer instinct she did last year. She has a cannon of an arm and can power through blocks with a solid set, but something just seems a little off compared to last year. It's most likely just a product of hitting off Weiskircher vs. Hancock. Penn State is still the title favorite IMO if they go back to Whitney on the pin, because they'll have 3 true outlets at all times (Whitney on the right, Courtney out of the pipe or left, Frantti on the left) and one of the nation's best offensive middles in Washington. So much balance on offense. Very entertaining match, well worth a couple of hours last night! Hate to say it but Washington's hit is very dig-able, even though she has a high hitting%. There are too many times she just lazily hit the ball last night, where I thought, why didn't she just pound the ball? Those lazy hit balls just got dug up too easily. Drove me nuts. I noticed that in the Nebraska and MN matches as well. She is not Foluke or Harmotto yet. Same with Weiskircher's attacks. No heat at all whatsoever. Until then, this team is very beatable like Nebraska and MN have shown. And I probably agree with you on Whitney back the RS, but Thelen is such a liability on offense... I don't know. Will we see Gorrell this year? Is she better than Thelen? I trust RR. So we'll se in December. Washington picks her shots very well on the slide, but it is a very slow slide that allows defenses to be set. When Washington hits in front of the setter she doesn't seem to get as much oomph on it and her connection isn't as solid as it is on the slide. Last season I believe she ran exclusively slides so it makes sense that it's a work in progress. My thought is that even if Thelen is a liability offensively, when she is in you can have Whitney on the right in 2 of the 3 rotations as an outlet, and there is always Frantti or Courtney on the outside/pipe. Thelen is also an outstanding blocker and can provide an offensive punch 1-2 times per set to keep the defense honest. Lee can provide a nice spark off the bench but has been markedly inconsistent as a rotation player and struggles to keep the ball in play on outlet sets. Last night one of the main reasons why Illinois repeatedly went to the outsides is that they were able to hit over and tool Weiskircher and Lee at will. That doesn't happen with Whitney on the right. Obviously, Rose knows what he's doing and he knows better than anyone on this board, but from what I've seen, Thelen in the middle is their most effective line up. Side note: I would love to see some of Nia Reed this season. I've only seen HS film of her, but she is an outstanding athlete and from what I've read, she seems to have as much upside as a lot of the other top athletes in the nation. I could be wrong, but I'd love to see her in action.
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Post by dorothymantooth on Oct 10, 2015 15:23:57 GMT -5
Hate to say it but Washington's hit is very dig-able, even though she has a high hitting%. There are too many times she just lazily hit the ball last night, where I thought, why didn't she just pound the ball? Those lazy hit balls just got dug up too easily. Drove me nuts. I noticed that in the Nebraska and MN matches as well. She is not Foluke or Harmotto yet. Same with Weiskircher's attacks. No heat at all whatsoever. Until then, this team is very beatable like Nebraska and MN have shown. And I probably agree with you on Whitney back the RS, but Thelen is such a liability on offense... I don't know. Will we see Gorrell this year? Is she better than Thelen? I trust RR. So we'll se in December. Washington picks her shots very well on the slide, but it is a very slow slide that allows defenses to be set. When Washington hits in front of the setter she doesn't seem to get as much oomph on it and her connection isn't as solid as it is on the slide. Last season I believe she ran exclusively slides so it makes sense that it's a work in progress. My thought is that even if Thelen is a liability offensively, when she is in you can have Whitney on the right in 2 of the 3 rotations as an outlet, and there is always Frantti or Courtney on the outside/pipe. Thelen is also an outstanding blocker and can provide an offensive punch 1-2 times per set to keep the defense honest. Lee can provide a nice spark off the bench but has been markedly inconsistent as a rotation player and struggles to keep the ball in play on outlet sets. Last night one of the main reasons why Illinois repeatedly went to the outsides is that they were able to hit over and tool Weiskircher and Lee at will. That doesn't happen with Whitney on the right. Obviously, Rose knows what he's doing and he knows better than anyone on this board, but from what I've seen, Thelen in the middle is their most effective line up. Side note: I would love to see some of Nia Reed this season. I've only seen HS film of her, but she is an outstanding athlete and from what I've read, she seems to have as much upside as a lot of the other top athletes in the nation. I could be wrong, but I'd love to see her in action. there is no chance you are going to see Nia Reed. She isnt anywhere even close to being able to help this team.
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Post by HappyVolley on Oct 10, 2015 15:51:42 GMT -5
I was a little dubious about putting Whitney in the middle, but she seems to be more comfortable there now and is becoming very effective there, especially offensively.
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Post by dorothymantooth on Oct 10, 2015 16:12:49 GMT -5
I was a little dubious about putting Whitney in the middle, but she seems to be more comfortable there now and is becoming very effective there, especially offensively. I think that was a near certainty, its the other part of the move where the verdict is still in doubt.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2015 16:35:17 GMT -5
I was a little dubious about putting Whitney in the middle, but she seems to be more comfortable there now and is becoming very effective there, especially offensively. I think that was a near certainty, its the other part of the move where the verdict is still in doubt. Lee's offensive performances in the last three matches have left a lot to be desired and it's clear that this may not be the best move, though her blocking has been pretty good. Considering the way Penn State has been passing lately, though, maybe having two effective options in the middle makes more sense. However, the move that I think deserves more consideration is moving Courtney to L1.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2015 16:35:53 GMT -5
the darkness would refer to the size of their block, not color of skin. As in blocking out the sun leaving the attacker in darkness....... There is no doubt that is what she meant and NOT a racial term . People, Simone Lee didn't tweet that because she was offended. She was laughing. It was supposed to be funny. She was making a joke.
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