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Post by 5280volleyball on Nov 30, 2015 22:50:33 GMT -5
The funny part is the committee wants to keep teams within 400 miles of their campus when possible. I know Cleveland is less than 400 miles from State College. What gives committee?
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Post by tomclen on Nov 30, 2015 22:51:44 GMT -5
And while I'm belly-aching, shouldn't there be some logical cutoff for making the tournament.
Really, if you have 21 losses and your RPI is 310, why are you allowed in the tournament. It doesn't matter what type of dumb-a** arrangement your conference sets up. If there are 309 teams better than you, why are you in the tournament? I mean no disrespect to that team or their staff, I'm sure they are all fine, upstanding, hard-working dedicated staff and student athletes.
But 21 losses?
If the entire Minnesota roster comes down with projectile diarrhea at game time, they're still going to sweep.
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Post by mikegarrison on Nov 30, 2015 22:55:48 GMT -5
And while I'm belly-aching, shouldn't there be some logical cutoff for making the tournament. Really, if you have 21 losses and your RPI is 310, why are you allowed in the tournament. It doesn't matter what type of dumb-a** arrangement your conference sets up. If there are 309 teams better than you, why are you in the tournament? I mean no disrespect to that team or their staff, I'm sure they are all fine, upstanding, hard-working dedicated staff and student athletes. But 21 losses? If the entire Minnesota roster comes down with projectile diarrhea at game time, they're still going to sweep. Well, somebody would have to sweep. I sure hope it wouldn't be me.
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Post by StanfordFan on Nov 30, 2015 22:58:17 GMT -5
Funniest comment I've ever read in all my years on Volleytalk... And while I'm belly-aching, shouldn't there be some logical cutoff for making the tournament. Really, if you have 21 losses and your RPI is 310, why are you allowed in the tournament. It doesn't matter what type of dumb-a** arrangement your conference sets up. If there are 309 teams better than you, why are you in the tournament? I mean no disrespect to that team or their staff, I'm sure they are all fine, upstanding, hard-working dedicated staff and student athletes. But 21 losses? If the entire Minnesota roster comes down with projectile diarrhea at game time, they're still going to sweep. Well, somebody would have to sweep. I sure hope it wouldn't be me.
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Post by nuclearbdgr on Nov 30, 2015 22:58:30 GMT -5
Perhaps a mop would be more appropriate than sweeping
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Post by StarRingo on Nov 30, 2015 23:01:39 GMT -5
Do a quick evaluation of the folks on the committee, their background, the expectations suggested be an NCAA who forgets volleyball is being played, and you will be able to better understand. I listened to the leaders of this group interviewed by Barnett on theNetLive last week and could not believe the banter. I expected more from Barney. Millions of dollars poured into the 340+ DI programs and the NCAA puts ten people in a room for 24 hours to determine the tourney draw. As long as a flawed system co TI yes to be the MAJOR tool, many deserving teams will be left out and several others face ridiculous outcomes.
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Post by vbcoltrane on Nov 30, 2015 23:17:05 GMT -5
And while I'm belly-aching, shouldn't there be some logical cutoff for making the tournament. Really, if you have 21 losses and your RPI is 310, why are you allowed in the tournament. It doesn't matter what type of dumb-a** arrangement your conference sets up. If there are 309 teams better than you, why are you in the tournament? I mean no disrespect to that team or their staff, I'm sure they are all fine, upstanding, hard-working dedicated staff and student athletes. But 21 losses? If the entire Minnesota roster comes down with projectile diarrhea at game time, they're still going to sweep. Yeah, I sort of agree about the cutoff. Jackson State is pretty awful yet they're part of the final 64? No fault to them; they didn't set up the system, they just went out and won their lackluster conference. I was going to say then, what's the point of having conferences if there's no auto bid. But, I think the point is to have similarly situated and relatively close schools to compete with. But, if you get rid of autobids for some conferences, don't you have to do it for all? Or would the rule simply be - you will receive a bid if you win your conference AND you meet minimum RPI of 100, 150? But, then the RPI comes under renewed scrutiny. What does the committee use to determine the cutoff?
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Post by gophervbfan on Nov 30, 2015 23:51:11 GMT -5
And while I'm belly-aching, shouldn't there be some logical cutoff for making the tournament. Really, if you have 21 losses and your RPI is 310, why are you allowed in the tournament. It doesn't matter what type of dumb-a** arrangement your conference sets up. If there are 309 teams better than you, why are you in the tournament? I mean no disrespect to that team or their staff, I'm sure they are all fine, upstanding, hard-working dedicated staff and student athletes. But 21 losses? If the entire Minnesota roster comes down with projectile diarrhea at game time, they're still going to sweep. Yeah, I sort of agree about the cutoff. Jackson State is pretty awful yet they're part of the final 64? No fault to them; they didn't set up the system, they just went out and won their lackluster conference. I was going to say then, what's the point of having conferences if there's no auto bid. But, I think the point is to have similarly situated and relatively close schools to compete with. But, if you get rid of autobids for some conferences, don't you have to do it for all? Or would the rule simply be - you will receive a bid if you win your conference AND you meet minimum RPI of 100, 150? But, then the RPI comes under renewed scrutiny. What does the committee use to determine the cutoff? At a minimum, why couldn't the NCAA have the same requirement that kept Northwestern out of the tournament? You have to have at least a .500 record. Jackson State can still have the joy of winning their conference championship but would not be eligible for the NCAA tournament.
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Post by badgerbreath on Nov 30, 2015 23:52:51 GMT -5
Watch Jackson State win it all now.
I'm writing the screenplay now. Gonna be rich! C'mon Jacksons!!
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Post by badgerbreath on Nov 30, 2015 23:55:22 GMT -5
Yeah, I sort of agree about the cutoff. Jackson State is pretty awful yet they're part of the final 64? No fault to them; they didn't set up the system, they just went out and won their lackluster conference. I was going to say then, what's the point of having conferences if there's no auto bid. But, I think the point is to have similarly situated and relatively close schools to compete with. But, if you get rid of autobids for some conferences, don't you have to do it for all? Or would the rule simply be - you will receive a bid if you win your conference AND you meet minimum RPI of 100, 150? But, then the RPI comes under renewed scrutiny. What does the committee use to determine the cutoff? At a minimum, why couldn't the NCAA have the same requirement that kept Northwestern out of the tournament? You have to have at least a .500 record. Jackson State can still have the joy of winning their conference championship but would not be eligible for the NCAA tournament. So AQ's are in regardless of W-L? That sucks. Boo Jacksons. (NOTE: not booing Bo Jackson. That would be confusing)
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Post by bluecollar on Dec 1, 2015 0:40:24 GMT -5
The funny part is the committee wants to keep teams within 400 miles of their campus when possible. I know Cleveland is less than 400 miles from State College. What gives committee? Don't send CSU to Penn State. Cleveland State is within 150 miles of Ohio State. Maybe OSU gets CSU and you fly Robert Morris to USC. Ohio State, Cleveland State, Ohio, and Dayton would have been nice for the fans in Ohio.
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Post by klineam on Dec 1, 2015 1:50:18 GMT -5
This is what happens when you let AQs from crappy conferences enter the tournament
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Post by 5280volleyball on Dec 1, 2015 8:29:11 GMT -5
The funny part is the committee wants to keep teams within 400 miles of their campus when possible. I know Cleveland is less than 400 miles from State College. What gives committee? Don't send CSU to Penn State. Cleveland State is within 150 miles of Ohio State. Maybe OSU gets CSU and you fly Robert Morris to USC. Ohio State, Cleveland State, Ohio, and Dayton would have been nice for the fans in Ohio. Completely agree. They did this last year with Colorado State, Colorado, Denver, and Northern Colorado in a regional at Colorado State that was really well attended.
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Post by akbar on Dec 1, 2015 9:29:28 GMT -5
So you think the committee should have sent 310 Jackson State to #1 USC 230 Howard to Minnesota and 69 Cleveland State to Penn State That seems surprisingly rational for you this time of year! It would stink for Cleveland State to have to go to Penn State again but they've done worse to better teams. You are probably on to something here. I'm seldom rational. True and often(check that)....sometimes dramatic.
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Post by bluepenquin on Dec 1, 2015 9:40:55 GMT -5
The funny part is the committee wants to keep teams within 400 miles of their campus when possible. I know Cleveland is less than 400 miles from State College. What gives committee? Don't send CSU to Penn State. Cleveland State is within 150 miles of Ohio State. Maybe OSU gets CSU and you fly Robert Morris to USC. Ohio State, Cleveland State, Ohio, and Dayton would have been nice for the fans in Ohio. Ohio State had 11 schools within 400 miles and Penn State had 9 - so some of these teams had to be flown farther away. The committee didn't seem to look at who was closest when making the decision on who goes where - just that they were within the 400 miles.
There appears to be two other smaller priorities at play in the their decision: 1) create as much RPI balance as possible among the top 32 teams. Try to have exactly 2 teams in the top 32 at each subregional; 2) Try to limit the number of teams returning to the same site or playing the same team as in recent tournaments.
Under these secondary priorities - Dayton had to go to Penn State, since there was no other Top 32 team within 400 miles. This in turn forced either Kentucky or Western Kentucky to go to Ohio State (they chose Kentucky). Not sure why Cleveland State was chosen to go to USC instead of Robert Morris?
Last year in the Colorado State subregional - there were only 3 teams within 400 miles of Colorado State, so they pretty much had to go with that all Colorado subregional. There were way more options this year with Ohio State than just an all Ohio subregional - and some bracket balance reasons not to do it.
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