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Post by OptimusPrime on Jan 13, 2016 16:31:21 GMT -5
I never understood why people thought Bateman was an upgrade... No way! Carico had shady passing and wasn't a great moonball setter but she was very good. Just on the wrong team. She was very good -- on certain days. She was just all over the place. Bateman was incredibly solid and made USC better. I respectfully disagree! KB was just good enough to work. TC was a much better setter and her success at Minny kinda proves it. TC just didn't want to throw the ball up in the air all the time
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Post by OptimusPrime on Jan 13, 2016 16:39:16 GMT -5
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Post by c4ndlelight on Jan 13, 2016 16:39:33 GMT -5
She was very good -- on certain days. She was just all over the place. Bateman was incredibly solid and made USC better. I respectfully disagree! KB was just good enough to work. TC was a much better setter and her success at Minny kinda proves it. TC just didn't want to throw the ball up in the air all the time How successful was she at Minny? Just because they made the Final Four doesn't prove anything about TC. They hosted a regional, and the draw opened up for them (they beat Pablo #26 and #27 in the regionals). She didn't make All Big Ten or even HM, even if she did sneak into AA based on postseason results.
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Post by trojansc on Jan 13, 2016 17:01:53 GMT -5
Carico was talented but so inconsistent. Bateman was an upgrade. I never understood why people thought Bateman was an upgrade... No way! Carico had shady passing and wasn't a great moonball setter but she was very good. Just on the wrong team. Beach star Jess Gysin, professional player, Diane Copenhagen, and a very solid Hillgren equals sketchy passing? I disagree. Copenhagen was a STUD passer, she was only playing backrow at times due to injury but was huge in that aspect. Carico was like a box of chocolates., and that's not good with USC running a basic offense. And when Carico was setting the offense, it was really basic. Like, no middle attacks. Bateman at least had some middle action.
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Post by trojansc on Jan 13, 2016 17:03:51 GMT -5
I'm inclined to say Crone had better hands than Carico (prior to injury/senior season)
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Post by Hookemhasbeen on Jan 13, 2016 18:35:37 GMT -5
Texas has run a 6-2 most of the last few years other than 2015 and 2012 for sure and made several final fours.
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Post by #skoskers on Jan 13, 2016 19:22:03 GMT -5
Uhh. I think USC is the most successful team to run a 6-2. #BackToBack Not only that, Nebraska made it to the final in a 6-2, only to come up short and fall apart against a determined Washington in 05 Nebraska's 6-2 in 2005 was quite unorthodox: Two 6-rotation opposites, two all-around outsides, two setters who played the back row rotations for both middles, and no libero.
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Post by bownlovingfreak on Jan 14, 2016 2:47:06 GMT -5
Nebraska had a great 6-2 in 2005 I think. In 2004 Minnesota ran a 6-2 where both setters were hitters as well.
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Post by vbkid111 on Jan 14, 2016 11:19:20 GMT -5
North Carolina has run one the past few years, right? Both UNC and Georgia have run a 6-2 in recent years. In both cases, the setters were not blockers/attackers and were subbed out of the front row.
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Post by brunie on Jan 14, 2016 13:28:05 GMT -5
Colorado ran a 6-2 most of the 2014 season. Gabby Simpson was playing all 6 rotations...hitting as an OPP when in the front row and setting when she was in the back row. Nicole Edelman played back row only as a setter and was subbed out for an OPP when front row. In the 2015 season they started with both Simpson and Edelman both playing all 6 rotations as back row setter and front row opposite. Part way into the season they changed to 5-1 with Edelman setting all 6 rotations and Simpson hitting as opposite all 6 rotations.
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Post by redbeard2008 on Jan 14, 2016 14:06:07 GMT -5
How many premier 5-1 setters are there? Not everyone can recruit one. Playing a 6-2 allows you to expand the pool you're recruiting from, by including shorter setters and taller S/OPPs.
One issue is that to run a 6-2 you need to recruit seven or eight hitters, with the question being, are you adding offense or just diluting it. Washington, for instance, lost their 6'4" lefty OPP to injury and had to choose between a freshman OH who was a poor blocker or a S/OPP who had only hit sparingly previously.
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Post by superfan1 on Jan 14, 2016 19:05:44 GMT -5
How many premier 5-1 setters are there? Not everyone can recruit one. Playing a 6-2 allows you to expand the pool you're recruiting from, by including shorter setters and taller S/OPPs. One issue is that to run a 6-2 you need to recruit seven or eight hitters, with the question being, are you adding offense or just diluting it. Washington, for instance, lost their 6'4" lefty OPP to injury and had to choose between a freshman OH who was a poor blocker or a S/OPP who had only hit sparingly previously. I think the trickiest part with at 6-2 is finding setters with similar styles, otherwise it's a lot to ask of your hitters to acclimate to the two styles.
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Post by redbeard2008 on Jan 14, 2016 19:42:07 GMT -5
How many premier 5-1 setters are there? Not everyone can recruit one. Playing a 6-2 allows you to expand the pool you're recruiting from, by including shorter setters and taller S/OPPs. One issue is that to run a 6-2 you need to recruit seven or eight hitters, with the question being, are you adding offense or just diluting it. Washington, for instance, lost their 6'4" lefty OPP to injury and had to choose between a freshman OH who was a poor blocker or a S/OPP who had only hit sparingly previously. I think the trickiest part with at 6-2 is finding setters with similar styles, otherwise it's a lot to ask of your hitters to acclimate to the two styles. You can train them to match pace and location, although you might have to limit the range of sets they do, which can make them more predictable. Even good 5-1 setters are not entirely self-consistent.
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Post by OptimusPrime on Jan 15, 2016 13:22:06 GMT -5
I'm inclined to say Crone had better hands than Carico (prior to injury/senior season) better hands does not translate into better setter...
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Post by trojansc on Jan 15, 2016 19:49:54 GMT -5
I'm inclined to say Crone had better hands than Carico (prior to injury/senior season) better hands does not translate into better setter... Agreed. But I'll run you one better, I'd take Crone 2012 or 2013 over Carico. Carico couldn't set the middles, and couldn't even run USC's high pin ball system consistently. (A very basic offense in '06 and '07.) Seems to be some disagreement on this but I'll take a steady consistent clean setter like Bateman over Carico (losing the attacking) And to your other post, Carico's success at Minny proves that she's better than Bateman? who went to back to back Final Fours to close out her career. Don't see your correlation. I have watch and watched many USC matches over and over for many years now. Several matches in Carico's trojan days I can say I was not impressed with her hands, set location, and even decision making. She did have some good matches as well - particularly her '07 match against Texas. I was impressed. But if you saw Carico in '08 without Kaczor, it was really really poor. Plus her attitude sucked - you could see it on her face
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