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Post by lovethis on Jul 19, 2016 8:43:09 GMT -5
Chicago parents do not support Rick Butler. Those who probably sent their child will support RB especially if their child was not impacted. It is the old "the ends justify the means" BS. We had a choice, we did not choose SP because I heard a rumor he molested the players or something was not right, don't know where I heard it. When the time to try out, SP was definitely out for this reason and how the club was run. Now hearing it was lead by Rick Butler, and what he is being accused of, it makes sense. Parents paid thousands for their children to play for SP, YET THE CHILDREN WERE EXPECTED TO CLEAN THE PUBLIC BATHROOMS during tournaments. He couldn't hire someone .. no, this was a meant to control and demean, it is how predators work. The SP teams players were not allowed to talk with players from other teams, again control Practice times were excessive, the most of any club in Chicago, so yes, if you practice 3 hrs/4 days/week, work weekend tournaments, SP becomes your life, you have no outside life. Again control, separate the child from outside influences. As far as he is a good coach, look up the definition, anybody can make a player practice ungodly amount of hours and yes they will get good. Girls who played for SP had no life, they went to school and played at SP. Missing proms, dances, etc. The girls from other teams called them stepford wives, they all looked the same, had the same physique, kept to themselves, etc. So it doesn't surprise me, what surprises me is how he was able to get away with it. A GOOD coach, teaches life skills, the ability to think for yourself, and is able to teach sports skills without sacrificing other aspect of their life. And obviously a good coach doesn't sleep/tease/demean/flirt with his players. I am not a SP hater, just not a fan of their methods, and now I understand why. How dare you. Maybe this is not for you or your kid, maybe you and your kid do not have the same determination or drive as the players at SP but for you to come on here and say that they are giving up their lives and have nothing outside of volleyball while sitting on the outside is disgusting. SP says that the program is not for everybody and as other people say there is a club for everybody. You may think that that much practice is excessive, if so good for you, go elsewhere. But when your kid is walking off the court after getting their a$$ handed to them AGAIN by a SP team do not question why that is.And before the pitchforks come after me, I do not have any stake in SP, I live over 2 hours away so my kids are not in the program. But to bash the kids who are dedicating so much of themselves to achieve a goal is pathetic. In re to the bold above, my kid's team played against SP teams her whole career, SP never beat them once. We are a small midwestern club with girls from the local area, we practice 2 hours/3 days a week. My kid went to prom, had spring break and never had to clean a public bathroom. I agree different strokes for different folks, but don't assume that just because they practice more, appear more disciplined, and are held to a militaristic standard that they hand other teams their a$$es. There are different ways to success that don't involve this kind of 'coaching'. And regarding this thread....Rick Butler is a disgrace and so is the entire AAU organization if they don't ban him for life.
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Post by pepperbrooks on Jul 19, 2016 8:49:57 GMT -5
Huge win against the rapist. Congratulations to VBN in Lincoln Nebraska for cancelling the participation of Rapist Rick at their camp Aug 2-5. They were unaware of the history of Rapist Rick and when they found out through a few facebook posts, the raised up and cancelled for the safety of all. CONGRATS and well done VBN. No get your Nebraska Head coach to take a stand and stop recruiting Rapist Rick players until he is out of the game!!!! You can't expect college coaches to not recruit SPVB players. That's just not going to happen.
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Post by BuckysHeat on Jul 19, 2016 8:51:38 GMT -5
In re to the bold above, my kid's team played against SP teams her whole career, SP never beat them once. We are a small midwestern club with girls from the local area, we practice 2 hours/3 days a week. SP's -1's teams consistently? In Open? -2's? -5's? Sometimes not a big difference between most clubs first team and SP's fourth team.
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Post by knowthetruth on Jul 19, 2016 9:09:12 GMT -5
In re to the bold above, my kid's team played against SP teams her whole career, SP never beat them once. We are a small midwestern club with girls from the local area, we practice 2 hours/3 days a week. SP's -1's teams consistently? In Open? -2's? -5's? Sometimes not a big difference between most clubs first team and SP's fourth team. Lets stay on track people! This about getting a rapist out of volleyball!!!!
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Post by knowthetruth on Jul 19, 2016 9:12:29 GMT -5
Huge win against the rapist. Congratulations to VBN in Lincoln Nebraska for cancelling the participation of Rapist Rick at their camp Aug 2-5. They were unaware of the history of Rapist Rick and when they found out through a few facebook posts, the raised up and cancelled for the safety of all. CONGRATS and well done VBN. No get your Nebraska Head coach to take a stand and stop recruiting Rapist Rick players until he is out of the game!!!! You can't expect college coaches to not recruit SPVB players. That's just not going to happen. You CAN expect a man with a daughter who has won National Championships and has power in the sport to stand up against a rapist. It is this attitude that has prevented anything from happening. You are complicit with a rapist and child molester or you are not. It is that simple.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Jul 19, 2016 9:51:53 GMT -5
In re to the bold above, my kid's team played against SP teams her whole career, SP never beat them once. We are a small midwestern club with girls from the local area, we practice 2 hours/3 days a week. SP's -1's teams consistently? In Open? -2's? -5's? Sometimes not a big difference between most clubs first team and SP's fourth team. Ah yes, the good old "But he wins" diversion. Clearly, there's no possible way people are actually upset about the rape and sexual victimization of minor players, the only reason this gets brought up is because people are jealous of SPRI's success and want to destroy Butler's business.......
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Post by BuckysHeat on Jul 19, 2016 9:57:13 GMT -5
SP's -1's teams consistently? In Open? -2's? -5's? Sometimes not a big difference between most clubs first team and SP's fourth team. Ah yes, the good old "But he wins" diversion. Clearly, there's no possible way people are actually upset about the rape and sexual victimization of minor players, the only reason this gets brought up is because people are jealous of SPRI's success and want to destroy Butler's business....... Did I say that anywhere? Nowhere did I defend him but I did defend SP as an organization and the kids that go there. Do not try and put words in my mouth
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2016 10:00:40 GMT -5
Huge win against the rapist. Congratulations to VBN in Lincoln Nebraska for cancelling the participation of Rapist Rick at their camp Aug 2-5. They were unaware of the history of Rapist Rick and when they found out through a few facebook posts, the raised up and cancelled for the safety of all. CONGRATS and well done VBN. No get your Nebraska Head coach to take a stand and stop recruiting Rapist Rick players until he is out of the game!!!! why would you expect him to stop recruiting players from Rick? Did you read the link with the complaint that contained the USAV hearing? John Cook wrote a letter praising and supporting Ricky Butler that was submitted to the ethics committee. Obviously, John Cook believes that the three women's affidavits are lies. Why would he change that view?
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Post by ProfessorPlum on Jul 19, 2016 10:13:23 GMT -5
Huge win against the rapist. Congratulations to VBN in Lincoln Nebraska for cancelling the participation of Rapist Rick at their camp Aug 2-5. They were unaware of the history of Rapist Rick and when they found out through a few facebook posts, the raised up and cancelled for the safety of all. CONGRATS and well done VBN. No get your Nebraska Head coach to take a stand and stop recruiting Rapist Rick players until he is out of the game!!!! why would you expect him to stop recruiting players from Rick? Did you read the link with the complaint that contained the USAV hearing? John Cook wrote a letter praising and supporting Ricky Butler that was submitted to the ethics committee. Obviously, John Cook believes that the three women's affidavits are lies. Why would he change that view? I think you will see more and more of these woman feel the courage to come forward. John Cook and others will have to disavow him if the numbers continue to escalate because it will corroborate the original 3's stories and the narrative will get louder! Mizuno, JVA, AAU, college coaches, etc will have no choice! Did anyone ever in their wildest dreams/thoughts ever think the Sandusky thing would bring down JoPa when it first started. It started just like this thing did! Knowthetruth, your wife and friend need to contact ESPN OTL or the Chicago Trib. And make sure they know your intent is to call out AAU, JVA, Mizuno & college coaches who associate with RB.
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Post by azvb on Jul 19, 2016 10:19:40 GMT -5
Unless he became a eunuch 30 years ago, 99.9% sure there have been more victims in that time.
It still just baffles me Julie Bremmer's parents let their younger daughter play there.
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Post by ProfessorPlum on Jul 19, 2016 10:27:46 GMT -5
Unless he became a eunuch 30 years ago, 99.9% sure there have been more victims in that time. It still just baffles me Julie Bremmer's parents let their younger daughter play there. From all reports that decision destroyed that family. Julie is a very forgiving soul if she has any relationship at all with her Mom or sister. But I pray that she has forgiven them and their relationship is a strength in her life now! Based off reading the public information from 1995, I'm not sure how I could have let it go.
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Post by Odin on Jul 19, 2016 11:42:39 GMT -5
"truthandjustice" has been banned for spamming.
Two of these thread topics have been removed for spamming and worse.
It's one thing to make your point, it's another to shove it down someone's throat or drag innocent parties into the mix.
At this time, this thread is not locked because it's discussing an article about the sport. The volleyball community on Volley Talk has time-and-time-again proven that they are a responsible group of reasonable people. Let's keep the discussion at a high-level and try to keep my involvement to a minimum.
Do not make false accusations. Do realize that everyone is entitled to their own opinions.
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Post by Wolfgang on Jul 19, 2016 12:23:23 GMT -5
It's not physical attraction. The attraction is power and authority and the craving by some girls to be noticed by those in power. When I was a grad student, I had the privilege (or burden) of teaching classes to young college students, most of them freshmen and sophomores. Before embarking on this endeavor, the school provided us with some training and orientation. One of the things that the trainers stressed was that a lot of college students are impressionable young adults who, just a few months ago, were in high school. They told us (both male and female grad students) to expect these young students to be attracted to us, not because we are physically attractive but because they want acceptance from people in power. They told us to think back to when we were in high school. They asked us: were we the kind of student who were the stud in high school or the beauty queen all the boys drooled over? Or were we the kind that struggled to find dates or were otherwise ordinary in high school? Chances are, if you were the latter, those college students who are now making passes at you are doing so not because we're so handsome or beautiful but because we hold positions of power and authority. They said to expect some of our students to be drawn to us, but under no condition are we to pursue it. There were strict ethical guidelines. (The dynamic is different for female instructors. There will always be young boys who will be attracted to grad instructors. However, the bulk of the problem area is the desire of young boys to challenge the authority of the female instructor. For young girls toward male instructors, it's almost always sexual attraction due to power.) Sure enough. During my grad school years, I had at least one female student make passes at me each semester. One girl even said, "I'll do anything." You probably don't believe me. That's okay. I'm just telling you why some men want power -- when you have it, the whole world opens up with new opportunities. I'm not suggesting girls were climbing all over RB and it was somehow their fault. No, I'm not saying that all. What I'm saying is that once you're in a position of power, you have certain responsibilities to discourage such behavior from them because it's going to happen. And certainly don't go looking for it because these girls are impressionable, naive, and, at times, just plain too eager to please. Doesn't matter whether we believe your story or not, it's the fact that your story has absolutely nothing to do with this case. You're talking about underclass college students having consensual sex with older college students. This story is about a 16 year old girl who was assaulted and raped by a 29 year old man. Sure they're related: It's about people in positions of power and authority surrounded by young, impressionable students who are too eager to please. It's about people in positions of power who are in a setting where they can take advantage of young girls, where in most other settings, they won't even be given a second look. Ditto older volleyball coach and much younger volleyball proteges. I was in my 40s when I went to grad school. 90% of my students were 17-19 years old. Most of my grad school classmates who taught were in their late 20s and 30s. Some in their 50s. So, it's more than an "older college student" having relations with underclass college students. The age difference was huge. Although this example is about my grad school experience, you can extrapolate to college professors (ages 28+; typically late 30s to early 40s) who are constantly surrounded by young students. In my example, it's only "consensual" because of the age of the students (ages 17-19; although 17 is considered a minor in most states). However, the parties involved would not have been in that "sexual" situation had it not been for the teacher-student setting that artificially creates an unbalanced power relationship. Ditto volleyball coach-player relationship. Outside of that setting, one would not have power over the other. Sexual predators are found in these types of settings where such power disparities exist so that they can exploit the weak, usually the young and inexperienced.
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Post by ProfessorPlum on Jul 19, 2016 13:54:34 GMT -5
"truthandjustice" has been banned for spamming. Two of these thread topics have been removed for spamming and worse. It's one thing to make your point, it's another to shove it down someone's throat or drag innocent parties into the mix. At this time, this thread is not locked because it's discussing an article about the sport. The volleyball community on Volley Talk has time-and-time-again proven that they are a responsible group of reasonable people. Let's keep the discussion at a high-level and try to keep my involvement to a minimum. Do not make false accusations. Do realize that everyone is entitled to their own opinions. This must be why my rank got busted down from 5 stars to 1 star!! Be careful people, the man is watching! Opinions are available to all. All of us would welcome leaders of the volleyball community to explain to us why the subject person has been allowed to flourish in our community all these years? Better yet, explain it to the next generation. AAU, JVA, Mizuno, etc explain to the 2025 players and parents that this is part of the legacy you have left them. 15 years old .... 15 years old ... 15 years old! I and others are not shoving anything down anybodies throat. Just looking for an answer to an obvious question from the leadership of organizations that should be protecting 15 year old athletes. None of this is slander...I have seen multiple adult woman moved to tears and shaking when recalling his actions in the 80's and 90's. This is not made up stuff!
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Post by Reach on Jul 19, 2016 14:23:00 GMT -5
Interesting. This topic seems to surface every few years. I played at SPVB and coached there for a short time. What Rick may or may not have done is horrible and wrong, but as a club, SPVB stands alone at the top. Many here seemed unable to separate the two. Rick's actions and SPVB club are two different things. Yes, he is the owner of the club, but so is his Wife. Should she be reprimanded? I think SPVB history stands on its own. Many other coaches work hard to keep SPVB at the top, year in year out! Those who mention that SPVB kids have no life, clean the toliets, yada yada yada, need to move on. Maybe your kid didn't make the cut? That is the way they run the program and the results speak for themselves and that is why there are other clubs in the area that you can choose to play at. Again, that has nothing to do with Rick Butler, that has to do with the club, keeping the highest of standards, where club volleyball is concerned. Maybe we take SPVB out of the equation when discussing this topic? SPVB has done a lot of good for a lot of boys and girls. SPVB is more than just Rick.
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