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Post by Northern lights on Sept 1, 2016 13:49:49 GMT -5
Why are people so occupied by another poster's grammar and spelling.
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Post by volleyguy on Sept 1, 2016 13:53:51 GMT -5
It's all about social class and putting people in their place. It's still quite effective.
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Post by mikegarrison on Sept 1, 2016 14:02:41 GMT -5
It's all about social class and putting people in their place. It's still quite effective. Yes, in part. But at the same time, I find it ridiculous when people use a written medium and then exclaim that the quality of their writing shouldn't matter.
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Post by Wolfgang on Sept 1, 2016 14:03:23 GMT -5
It's random for me. I sometimes do it when I'm not in the mood for rubbish, like when I'm feeling very Italian and the need to flip people off is overwhelming. Other times, I do it because I feel very British and superior.
Often, I let it go because this place, ideally, should be a friendly and informal place populated by friends and acquaintances and enemies who are dead to you. The problem is, when it's too informal and casual, people start to get sloppy with everything -- spelling, punctuation, grammar, word choice -- and you can't make sense of their posts. Hence, I post "I don't know what this is" because I really don't know what this is. It gets very irritating.
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Post by mikegarrison on Sept 1, 2016 14:08:57 GMT -5
It's random for me. I sometimes do it when I'm not in the mood for rubbish, like when I'm feeling very Italian and the need to flip people off is overwhelming. Other times, I do it because I feel very British and superior. I don't know what this is.
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Post by volleyguy on Sept 1, 2016 14:37:08 GMT -5
It's random for me. I sometimes do it when I'm not in the mood for rubbish, like when I'm feeling very Italian and the need to flip people off is overwhelming. Other times, I do it because I feel very British and superior. I don't know what this is. I get what Wolfgang is saying. My sarcasm, which is not restricted to grammar, can be either dismissive or about getting straight to the point.
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Post by Wolfgang on Sept 1, 2016 15:37:55 GMT -5
In all seriousness, there's probably a fundamental drive in all man to educate each other to raise the knowledge base and skill set of the entire community so as to make the entire community stronger. With a stronger community, the more likely the community will be more stable and prosperous, which makes for a better environment for having and raising kids, which in turn makes the community grow.
At work, I've been told (and I've also told others) that more than half your time is spent teaching others, whether they're your coworkers or clients. Let's say your client calls and asks about a certain line item on a bill for $1,271.65. Well, you take the time to educate your client about your billing policy, what that line item means, and why they're lucky to get a discount on that line item. It's all about education.
Here in VT, I routinely see posts where someone is teaching someone else something about volleyball, stats, players, strategies, etc. I can honestly say that I've learned a lot from VT. It must be an innate thing.
The same applies to grammar and spelling and whatnot, not just here in VT land but throughout the Internet. Someone is always correcting someone else's spelling and grammar. At times, it's done in a harsh and demeaning way, but I think they're genuine efforts to help the community grow stronger.
I believe the above ^^^ is true 50% of the time.
The other 50%, I think people are just trying to insult each other because, you know, it's fun and also, we've kinda had it up to here re. ignorant people like a certain someone we all know and love.
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Post by azvb on Sept 1, 2016 16:15:33 GMT -5
I struggle with apostrophes. Or is it apostrophe's? Or apostrophies? Coaches and coach's throws me. I know I learned it - 4th grade I think.
Misuse of their, there, and they're drive me nuts. And your and you're.
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Post by Northern lights on Sept 1, 2016 16:17:00 GMT -5
I am what seems to be the minority. I do not think grammar or spelling has any significance on this forum. Of course my grammar and spellin are sheeite.
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Post by volleylearner on Sept 1, 2016 16:53:52 GMT -5
For me, correct grammar, spelling, punctuation, and capitalization all improve my reading speed and comprehension. I believe it is more polite to try to write properly, and I view it as somewhat disrespectful not to try. I don't think it is at all about social class for me. I also have years of proofreading as a teacher and writer, so it is hard for me to avoid noticing errors.
That being said, I recognize others are not so inclined, and I generally don't comment on all the errors I see. I do draw a line with misspelling names.
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Post by holidayhusker on Sept 1, 2016 17:04:47 GMT -5
My English teacher friend and I disagree a great deal on this. I write a alot of material. When you are communicating with readers, I feel like it should be a conversation of sorts. Sometimes conversations are not necessarily written correctly. She of course disagrees. Its it more important to communicate well with readers or to always be correct. Can you do both? Why is it that you rarely see popular columnist with perfect grammar?
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Post by volleyguy on Sept 1, 2016 17:44:11 GMT -5
My first job out of college was to follow around a computer nerd and write up his observations for our clients. I found that I had to translate twice- what he was saying and what I would say to the client. What that experience taught me was that there are multiple ways to say things and the final product is often a political compromise. I think we succumb to the same process in some way when we write in our own voice.
I find that I write differently on this forum--shorter, less complex sentences, less explaining, more attitude (at least compared to my usual style). It's something that I realize has evolved over time as an adjustment, rightly or wrongly, to the forum environment.
My view of language, and grammar in particular, was influenced by Terry Eagleton and his views on literary theory (in fact, by the entire Marxist dialectic).
Over the years, I have been an on again-off-again reader for the ETS (SAT/Achievement Tests) writing components, and I've noticed a trend of increased creativity and decreased basic grammar.
I also find that when I post on this forum with the iPad, I am less attentive to grammar than when I use the desktop.
I've often wondered about any correlation between those last two things
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Post by BuckysHeat on Sept 2, 2016 11:09:48 GMT -5
Because it is not difficult to differentiate between their/they're/there. It is not hard to not understand the difference between lose and loose when used for any reason at all.
In the grand scheme of things it is not important. When typing on a phone autocorrect will often give the wrong word, fingers get fat and buttons are too close together as well. There is also the fact that some people are just jerks who like to point out things without adding substance.
However it is not hard to understand the difference between lose and loose, it really isn't and the fact that people continue to screw that up says something about their abilities whether real or implied. When somebody cannot get those or any of a large number of common errors right , I will often dismiss some or all of what they have to say because their grammar, spelling, punctuation is that bad. We have all read the annoying people who cannot figure out what a comma or period is for or how to use them. We have all read the jerk who types in all caps like that means their words are actually important.
In short, it makes you look ignorant, uneducated or just too lazy to really care
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2019 13:43:34 GMT -5
I still don't understand That v. Which.
My cat that corrects my grammar says sentences which misuse the words are the worst that he has seen.
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Post by azvb on Aug 15, 2019 13:54:24 GMT -5
Affect, effect 🤷♀️ I find another word when I need to use affected or effected.
When to use whom throws me.
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