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Post by BuckysHeat on Sept 14, 2016 18:28:54 GMT -5
The Badgers only played Nebraska (eventual champs) once last season and PSU once in the conference season in 2013 when the Nittany Lions won the title. If Wisconsin fans can make fun of PSU's supposed "cake walks" through the tourney, then the rest of us can point out the glaring weakness of Wisconsin's past conference schedules, relative to the other teams in the B1G. Bullsh!t. Name one badger fan that has been the initiator of any single conversation regarding PSU's tournament "cake walks". Just one, I will wait.
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Post by BuckysHeat on Sept 14, 2016 18:31:27 GMT -5
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Post by #skoskers on Sept 14, 2016 18:32:11 GMT -5
The Badgers only played Nebraska (eventual champs) once last season. And won. In the Devaney. You're losing the argument here. Would you have expected a similar result if the Huskers had played the Badgers again in the conference or later in the tournament? Both in 2013 and 2014, Wisconsin only had to play Nebraska and PSU once in the regular season, remember? As a side note (not worth reading if you're in this thread strictly for Wisconsin-Texas match info), I ask you to watch the Huskers lose to Minnesota last season and then the following night's Nebraska-Wisconsin match. Two different Nebraska teams. In all the time I've been following this program, I can think of only three matches in which the players were jaded and not putting forth much effort, and the loss to Wisconsin was one of those matches. The Huskers beat themselves in the Wisconsin match, while Minnesota simply outplayed Nebraska.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2016 18:44:38 GMT -5
Strangely enough, I wonder just who in the hell will be setting her? Seems like an extremely bizarre and pointless statement since Carlini will be setting her. Also curious why any other those other middles matter in the least bit. Will they be on the floor this weekend in teh Texas/Wis match? No so why bring them in? Not one iota of your statement makes the slightest bit of sense I'm entertained by your misread, because I never said those other middles would be in the Texas-Wisconsin match. I was responding to @brooklynsport's comment about Nelson's inflated stats. I still wouldn't take either Wisconsin middle over any of Texas' middles, who are much more athletic and have higher potentials for greatness. Lol, you would take Agbaji and Johnson over Nelson and Williams??!??!?! I remember last year you said the only Minnesota player who would have a chance to start at Nebraska was Paige Tapp, so I'll take your player comparisons with a grain of salt... or 50
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Post by #skoskers on Sept 14, 2016 18:46:36 GMT -5
I'm entertained by your misread, because I never said those other middles would be in the Texas-Wisconsin match. I was responding to @brooklynsport's comment about Nelson's inflated stats. I still wouldn't take either Wisconsin middle over any of Texas' middles, who are much more athletic and have higher potentials for greatness. Lol, you would take Agbaji and Johnson over Nelson and Williams??!??!?! I remember last year you said the only Minnesota player who would have a chance to start at Nebraska was Paige Tapp, so I'll take your player comparisons with a grain of salt... or 50 Yeah, Nebraska did just fine winning the championships without a then-Minnesota player, remember?
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Post by ay2013 on Sept 14, 2016 18:53:24 GMT -5
"besides maybe Carlini"....even entertaining the possibility of choosing Collins over Carlini is the funniest thing I've heard so far this season. Have you actually seen any of Wisconsin's matches this season to say otherwise? Yes I watch the Hawaii and NC match.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2016 18:54:21 GMT -5
Lol, you would take Agbaji and Johnson over Nelson and Williams??!??!?! I remember last year you said the only Minnesota player who would have a chance to start at Nebraska was Paige Tapp, so I'll take your player comparisons with a grain of salt... or 50 Yeah, Nebraska did just fine winning the championships without a then-Minnesota player, remember? That has absolutely zero correlation to the point I just made but whatever makes you happy...
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Post by ndodge on Sept 14, 2016 19:05:13 GMT -5
at least you are consistent in thinking UW's All-Americans are over-rated. Nelson was second in the B10 last year in hitting percentage and 5th in Blocks. Nelson is legit. Opinions are simply that, stats tell a more accurate story. Then I would point out that for the past two seasons, Wisconsin has received the easiest schedule in the B1G with the fewest back-to-back matches and less matches against the top tier teams, which certainly will inflate a team's stats. I still <3 you, though, my Wintour junkie. A quick rough search of volleytalk 2015 showed that WI had the 7th highest SOS in the country. Please tell me how #7 SOS and "inflated stats" makes any sense at all ?
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Post by #skoskers on Sept 14, 2016 19:10:15 GMT -5
Yeah, Nebraska did just fine winning the championships without a then-Minnesota player, remember? That has absolutely zero correlation to the point I just made but whatever makes you happy... What was your point? Last year, I said that I only would have taken Paige Tapp over CiCi Hall for Nebraska. I didn't retract my statement after that match, did I? In fact, when someone followed up with me in that thread and asked if I still had the same sentiments, I said I did and that we should let the rest of the season play out and revisit the subject in December. BOOM.
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Post by ndodge on Sept 14, 2016 19:12:48 GMT -5
And won. In the Devaney. You're losing the argument here. Would you have expected a similar result if the Huskers had played the Badgers again in the conference or later in the tournament? Both in 2013 and 2014, Wisconsin only had to play Nebraska and PSU once in the regular season, remember? As a side note (not worth reading if you're in this thread strictly for Wisconsin-Texas match info), I ask you to watch the Huskers lose to Minnesota last season and then the following night's Nebraska-Wisconsin match. Two different Nebraska teams. In all the time I've been following this program, I can think of only three matches in which the players were jaded and not putting forth much effort, and the loss to Wisconsin was one of those matches. The Huskers beat themselves in the Wisconsin match, while Minnesota simply outplayed Nebraska. Nebraska had a lot of hitting errors that night but the Badgers also hit .253 for the match. Albeit only due to lazy blocking and lackluster digging apparently.
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Post by austintatious on Sept 14, 2016 19:15:22 GMT -5
Easy. Texas wins this match. Just looking at the positions alone, there isn't a Wisconsin player, besides maybe Carlini, that I would take over her Longhorn counterpart across the net. "besides maybe Carlini"....even entertaining the possibility of choosing Collins over Carlini is the funniest thing I've heard so far this season. Thought it was definitely over the top comment as well.
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Post by #skoskers on Sept 14, 2016 20:07:07 GMT -5
Listen, people, I'm calling it like the way I see it: Carlini's setting, relative to her freshman year, has not been impressive this season. Wisconsin does not possess the types of middles that can make plays with less-than-perfect sets. Wisconsin is also without their best attacker. They took their libero and turned her back into an OH, while converting a DS into libero. Their other OH is a freshman, who is coming back from a slight injury. The team still has yet to figure out how to develop a right-side attack.
For all these reasons, I don't expect this team to win against many teams, let alone Texas, whose lineup will do just fine without any Badger players.
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Post by #skoskers on Sept 14, 2016 20:30:53 GMT -5
Listen, people, I'm calling it like the way I see it: Carlini's setting, relative to her freshman year, has not been impressive this season. So what was your original point then? If you had Collins and Carlini on a team you'd decide not to let Carlini figure it out and start Collins? If that's not your point then you worded something somewhere incorrectly. If that is your point then fine, you're entitled to your opinion, but LOL. OP was clearly stated: Easy. Texas wins this match. Just looking at the positions alone, there isn't a Wisconsin player, besides maybe Carlini, that I would take over her Longhorn counterpart across the net. Then I continued: Listen, people, I'm calling it like the way I see it: Carlini's setting, relative to her freshman year, has not been impressive this season. Wisconsin does not possess the types of middles that can make plays with less-than-perfect sets. Wisconsin is also without their best attacker. They took their libero and turned her back into an OH, while converting a DS into libero. Their other OH is a freshman, who is coming back from a slight injury. The team still has yet to figure out how to develop a right-side attack. For all these reasons, I don't expect this team to win against many teams, let alone Texas, whose lineup will do just fine without any Badger players. You can LOL all you want, but that won't change the L on Sunday to a W.
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Post by #skoskers on Sept 14, 2016 21:43:02 GMT -5
OP was clearly stated: Then I continued: You can LOL all you want, but that won't change the L on Sunday to a W. I already predicted a Badger loss sooo not sure what your point there was about. Still unclear as to your reasoning behind why you would theoretically start Collins over Carlini. Clearly I'm a homer, I just thought it was dumb and wanted to see if you had some sort of logic behind. Carlini not being on top of her game at the moment doesn't cut it. You'd obviously give the kid with talent room to work it out. Unless you're you, then apparently possibly not? At least eight other setters with talent quarterbacked their teams further in the tourney last season, and Collins was one of them. Collins is not a bad setter, and I think that needs to be made clear. Carlini's setting has been amazingly average (see what I did there?) this year. The USA coaches yanked her and started Micha at the Pan Am Cup, so it goes to show that not everyone has to "give the kid with talent room to work it out." I'm just not a mindless drone that believes Lauren Carlini has to be every team's starting setter to make each team successful, especially considering her performances as of late.
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Post by vbprisoner on Sept 14, 2016 22:17:40 GMT -5
SMOOVE, you hitting the bottle early this week? Coming on this thread and throwing a turd in the punch bowl! LMAO
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