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Post by vbprisoner on Sept 14, 2016 22:22:58 GMT -5
So, I just got back from the Texas / TAMU match and I honestly could not tell you if Texas played that well, or if TAMU played that poorly. Wisconsin (without Gillis) will walk over TAMU if TAMU plays like they did today and lose to Texas if Texas plays like they did today.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2016 22:45:56 GMT -5
I already predicted a Badger loss sooo not sure what your point there was about. Still unclear as to your reasoning behind why you would theoretically start Collins over Carlini. Clearly I'm a homer, I just thought it was dumb and wanted to see if you had some sort of logic behind. Carlini not being on top of her game at the moment doesn't cut it. You'd obviously give the kid with talent room to work it out. Unless you're you, then apparently possibly not? The USA coaches yanked her and started Micha at the Pan Am Cup, so it goes to show that not everyone has to "give the kid with talent room to work it out." 1. Again, and as stated by the coaching staff, the decision to have Hancock start had nothing to do with Carlini and everything to do with the reception abilities (or lack thereof) of the other teams in the tournament. Please stop peddling this inaccurate idea that Carlini choked and the staff was forced to go to a backup. Recall that Carlini actually won the starting spot. 2. Calling the staff "the USA coaches" paints a distorted picture. They were the head coaches from Pitt and BYU.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2016 23:00:31 GMT -5
Listen, people, I'm calling it like the way I see it: Carlini's setting, relative to her freshman year, has not been impressive this season. Wisconsin does not possess the types of middles that can make plays with less-than-perfect sets. Wisconsin is also without their best attacker. They took their libero and turned her back into an OH, while converting a DS into libero. Their other OH is a freshman, who is coming back from a slight injury. The team still has yet to figure out how to develop a right-side attack. For all these reasons, I don't expect this team to win against many teams, let alone Texas, whose lineup will do just fine without any Badger players. Wisconsin's shot to win the Texas match is definitely slim, but that is completely because of the fact that both starting OHs currently have (or had) ankle injuries. Then again, Carlini definitely did more with way less back in 2013... Regardless, I don't know why it's necessary to attempt to insult the Badger players in order to make this point. Teams are not able to trade players - what purpose does this speculation have in this conversation? And for the record, there are very few middles in the world who are able to make plays consistently with less-than-perfect sets. They are completely reliant players, often already in the air before/when the setter already has the ball. This is not logical criticism of the quick attacker in volleyball. If anything, the middles for Wisconsin should have proven one thing to you: they're the only reliable and consistent option that Wisconsin has right now and have the ability to be incredibly efficient from an attacking and blocking standpoint when their team has been decimated by injuries and forced into lineup changes, even when forced off less-than-ideal passes and digs. The Wisconsin middles are one of the best duos in that position in the country.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2016 23:14:39 GMT -5
And won. In the Devaney. You're losing the argument here. Would you have expected a similar result if the Huskers had played the Badgers again in the conference or later in the tournament? Both in 2013 and 2014, Wisconsin only had to play Nebraska and PSU once in the regular season, remember? What is the evidence to the contrary? They played once on Nebraska's home court and Wisconsin won. Seems like anything opposed to the actual results is simply unfounded speculation. And, speaking of scheduling, didn't Nebraska get 7/20 B1G matches against Iowa, Maryland, Rutgers, and Indiana last season? And didn't they only have to play Minnesota once? At home? And didn't Nebraska only have back-to-back matches in the second half of the B1G season ONCE? In OCTOBER? And, AGAINST MARYLAND AND RUTGERS? And weren't 10/20 of Wisconsin's B1G matches against teams that were ranked at the time? I think you're still losing your argument. And, your last sentence makes more sense if it says, "Both in 2013 and 2014, Wisconsin was required to play Nebraska and PSU once in the regular season as determined by the B1G conference."
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Post by BuckysHeat on Sept 15, 2016 7:24:54 GMT -5
At least eight other setters with talent quarterbacked their teams further in the tourney last season, and Collins was one of them. Collins is not a bad setter, and I think that needs to be made clear. Lame argument, Florida was clicking in every aspect of their game that night and Holston/Alhassan had the games of their lives that night. I seriously doubt many if any teams last season would have beaten Florida on that night including Nebraska And Wis came within a couple point of still beating them in the 5th set
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Post by SportyBucky on Sept 15, 2016 7:48:40 GMT -5
Just like in 2013. And by the way, you must not know very much about players or form but I'd definitely take both All American middles on WI over two very unproven, rarely set Texas middles. I really don't believe that the Texas block will have problems containing Wisconsin's middle attack. IMO Nelson is grossly overrated; her only advantage has been having Carlini as her setter. Without Carlini, though, Nelson would be a forgettable name in B1G volleyball, still behind players like Holman, A. Rolfzen, Cuttino, Sandbothe, Washington, Cole (if she's not playing RS) and the Tapp sisters. As for Williams, I thought she only received honorable mention status... Let's not talk about honored players that only get honored because of those with whom they play (Chloe Collins). She looks like a mediocre setter half the time WITH the talent she has. Regarding Nelson, you're crazy if you think the blocking and defense and termination are all a result of Carlini. She's 6'4" and has shut down some marquee players. That, and well, she dominates pretty much every team she plays when passing is on. It may be Carlini, but you'll never know. And for Tionna, I'd take an HM AA over both your middles, MOST CERTAINLY at this point in the season and with your atrocious passing. Here's Tionna's bio: • 2015 AVCA Honorable Mention All-American • 2015 Big Ten All-Freshman team (unanimous) • 2015 AVCA Northeast Region Freshman of the Year • 2015 Honorable Mention AVCA All-Northeast Region
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Post by SportyBucky on Sept 15, 2016 7:50:33 GMT -5
Glad they didn't have to play Nebraska in Lincoln last year. That would be have been tough. Especially since Huskers went on to win the National Championship so clearly they were the best team in the country last year. Oh wait. I get it. You don't like Wisconsin. That's fine. You don't have to keep harping on it though. FWIW, I think Texas will win. The Badgers only played Nebraska (eventual champs) once last season and PSU once in the conference season in 2013 when the Nittany Lions won the title. If Wisconsin fans can make fun of PSU's supposed "cake walks" through the tourney, then the rest of us can point out the glaring weakness of Wisconsin's past conference schedules, relative to the other teams in the B1G. THEY PLAYED NE AT NE ONCE AND WON! Are you daft or intentionally stupid?
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Post by #skoskers on Sept 15, 2016 8:34:56 GMT -5
The USA coaches yanked her and started Micha at the Pan Am Cup, so it goes to show that not everyone has to "give the kid with talent room to work it out." 1. Again, and as stated by the coaching staff, the decision to have Hancock start had nothing to do with Carlini and everything to do with the reception abilities (or lack thereof) of the other teams in the tournament. Please stop peddling this inaccurate idea that Carlini choked and the staff was forced to go to a backup. Recall that Carlini actually won the starting spot. 2. Calling the staff "the USA coaches" paints a distorted picture. They were the head coaches from Pitt and BYU. Question: who ended the tournament as USA's setter? Micha. Indeed, the coaches thought that Micha's overall package was more potent than Carlini's setting, so Carlini was relegated to the bench. It goes to show that, again, Carlini doesn't need to be every team's starting setter to make that team successful.
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Post by #skoskers on Sept 15, 2016 8:36:53 GMT -5
Listen, people, I'm calling it like the way I see it: Carlini's setting, relative to her freshman year, has not been impressive this season. Wisconsin does not possess the types of middles that can make plays with less-than-perfect sets. Wisconsin is also without their best attacker. They took their libero and turned her back into an OH, while converting a DS into libero. Their other OH is a freshman, who is coming back from a slight injury. The team still has yet to figure out how to develop a right-side attack. For all these reasons, I don't expect this team to win against many teams, let alone Texas, whose lineup will do just fine without any Badger players. Wisconsin's shot to win the Texas match is definitely slim, but that is completely because of the fact that both starting OHs currently have (or had) ankle injuries. Then again, Carlini definitely did more with way less back in 2013... Regardless, I don't know why it's necessary to attempt to insult the Badger players in order to make this point. Teams are not able to trade players - what purpose does this speculation have in this conversation? A resounding yes. And for the record, there are very few middles in the world who are able to make plays consistently with less-than-perfect sets. They are completely reliant players, often already in the air before/when the setter already has the ball. This is not logical criticism of the quick attacker in volleyball. If anything, the middles for Wisconsin should have proven one thing to you: they're the only reliable and consistent option that Wisconsin has right now and have the ability to be incredibly efficient from an attacking and blocking standpoint when their team has been decimated by injuries and forced into lineup changes, even when forced off less-than-ideal passes and digs. The Wisconsin middles are one of the best duos in that position in the country.ROFL! We will definitely disagree on this one! You think Nelson is one of the nation’s premier blockers! Jay LenoLOL The thought of Nelson as a top blocker! On a national scale! LOLOLOL In a nation where we have so many prolific middles! LOL You think NELSON is one of those?! LOLOLOL Look, I know you, unlike most of their fans, actually know some of the Badgers, but c’mon, man, Nelson? LOLol
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Post by #skoskers on Sept 15, 2016 8:42:25 GMT -5
Would you have expected a similar result if the Huskers had played the Badgers again in the conference or later in the tournament? Both in 2013 and 2014, Wisconsin only had to play Nebraska and PSU once in the regular season, remember? What is the evidence to the contrary? They played once on Nebraska's home court and Wisconsin won. Seems like anything opposed to the actual results is simply unfounded speculation. And, speaking of scheduling, didn't Nebraska get 7/20 B1G matches against Iowa, Maryland, Rutgers, and Indiana last season? And didn't they only have to play Minnesota once? At home? And didn't Nebraska only have back-to-back matches in the second half of the B1G season ONCE? In OCTOBER? And, AGAINST MARYLAND AND RUTGERS? And weren't 10/20 of Wisconsin's B1G matches against teams that were ranked at the time? I think you're still losing your argument. And, your last sentence makes more sense if it says, "Both in 2013 and 2014, Wisconsin was required to play Nebraska and PSU once in the regular season as determined by the B1G conference." Collectively, how many back-to-back matches did Wisconsin have over the past two seasons compared to every team in the B1G? Now tell me the next program that had the fewest over the past two seasons. While you're looking it up, how many back-to-backs did the next team with the fewest have over those two years? Even though the Badgers didn't choose their conference schedule, they still had a considerably easier schedule compared to the other teams in the B1G. You really believe that the eventual champs Nebraska would have lost to Wisconsin again last season? See my prior post when I explained that the team put forth no effort in that match. I remember when the Badgers won the conference title in 2014, and the PSU fans said that if they had to play Nebraska and PSU again in the season, they would have lost those matches and the conference title. The Wisconsin fans swore up and down that they would have won those matches until poetic justice was finally served when Hancock’s Nittany Lions trounced the Badgers in the championship match. We will just have to disagree about who would have won between Wisconsin and Nebraska 9 out of 10 times last season, and that's fine by me.
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Post by #skoskers on Sept 15, 2016 8:43:17 GMT -5
At least eight other setters with talent quarterbacked their teams further in the tourney last season, and Collins was one of them. Collins is not a bad setter, and I think that needs to be made clear. Lame argument, Florida was clicking in every aspect of their game that night and Holston/Alhassan had the games of their lives that night. I seriously doubt many if any teams last season would have beaten Florida on that night including Nebraska And Wis came within a couple point of still beating them in the 5th set That doesn’t change the fact that, again, at least eight other setters with talent quarterbacked their teams further in the tourney last season, and Collins was one of them.
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Post by #skoskers on Sept 15, 2016 8:43:43 GMT -5
I really don't believe that the Texas block will have problems containing Wisconsin's middle attack. IMO Nelson is grossly overrated; her only advantage has been having Carlini as her setter. Without Carlini, though, Nelson would be a forgettable name in B1G volleyball, still behind players like Holman, A. Rolfzen, Cuttino, Sandbothe, Washington, Cole (if she's not playing RS) and the Tapp sisters. As for Williams, I thought she only received honorable mention status... Let's not talk about honored players that only get honored because of those with whom they play (Chloe Collins). She looks like a mediocre setter half the time WITH the talent she has. Regarding Nelson, you're crazy if you think the blocking and defense and termination are all a result of Carlini. She's 6'4" and has shut down some marquee players. That, and well, she dominates pretty much every team she plays when passing is on. It may be Carlini, but you'll never know. LOLOLOL NELSOn!
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Post by #skoskers on Sept 15, 2016 8:46:19 GMT -5
The Badgers only played Nebraska (eventual champs) once last season and PSU once in the conference season in 2013 when the Nittany Lions won the title. If Wisconsin fans can make fun of PSU's supposed "cake walks" through the tourney, then the rest of us can point out the glaring weakness of Wisconsin's past conference schedules, relative to the other teams in the B1G. THEY PLAYED NE AT NE ONCE AND WON! Are you daft or intentionally stupid? Clearly, you thought Wisconsin would have won every match against Nebraska last season, and this is where we disagree. The Nebraska team that Wisconsin defeated was not the same Nebraska team that swept PSU or raged through the tournament. If the capstone of your team's accomplishments in 2015 was defeating Nebraska, then by all means, hold that dearly to your heart, because the remnants of that might be the only thing bringing you comfort as a fan in a year from now.
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Post by BuckysHeat on Sept 15, 2016 8:58:15 GMT -5
As interesting as this is (not really) doesn't Nebraska have a match against somebody this weekend? Regarding this thread specifically, who gives a sh!t anyway about Nebraska, they are not here, probably playing Grand Canyon state again somewhere. Start a different thread if you have so much to say, leave this one for the actual game being played
That way I can easily ignore the continuously pointless rhetoric and focus on the match itself
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2016 8:58:45 GMT -5
What is the evidence to the contrary? They played once on Nebraska's home court and Wisconsin won. Seems like anything opposed to the actual results is simply unfounded speculation. And, speaking of scheduling, didn't Nebraska get 7/20 B1G matches against Iowa, Maryland, Rutgers, and Indiana last season? And didn't they only have to play Minnesota once? At home? And didn't Nebraska only have back-to-back matches in the second half of the B1G season ONCE? In OCTOBER? And, AGAINST MARYLAND AND RUTGERS? And weren't 10/20 of Wisconsin's B1G matches against teams that were ranked at the time? I think you're still losing your argument. And, your last sentence makes more sense if it says, "Both in 2013 and 2014, Wisconsin was required to play Nebraska and PSU once in the regular season as determined by the B1G conference." Collectively, how many back-to-back matches did Wisconsin have over the past two seasons compared to every team in the B1G? Now tell me the next program that had the fewest over the past two seasons. While you're looking it up, how many back-to-backs did the next team with the fewest have over those two years? Even though the Badgers didn't choose their conference schedule, they still had a considerably easier schedule compared to the other teams in the B1G. You really believe that the eventual champs Nebraska would have lost to Wisconsin again last season? See my prior post when I explained that the team put forth no effort in that match. I remember when the Badgers won the conference title in 2014, and the PSU fans said that if they had to play Nebraska and PSU again in the season, they would have lost those matches and the conference title. The Wisconsin fans swore up and down that they would have won those matches until poetic justice was finally served when Hancock’s Nittany Lions trounced the Badgers in the championship match. We will just have to disagree about who would have won between Wisconsin and Nebraska 9 out of 10 times last season, and that's fine by me. 1. Definitely not "considerably easier" than Nebraska who got to play Indiana, Maryland, Rutgers, and Iowa seven times. You still fail to acknowledge that Nebraska only had to play Minnesota once last season... in Nebraska. Since we're offering baseless speculation, it's probably a good thing Nebraska didn't run into them again in the tourney, eh? 2. I have no idea if Nebraska would have lost to Wisconsin again last season... and neither do you, regardless of your feeling that the team "put forth no effort in that match," which has no basis in fact. 3. What PSU fans said in 2014 has exactly nothing to do with this conversation. 4. Penn State beat Wisconsin for the national championship in 2013, not 2014 when Wisconsin won the B1G.
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