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Post by mikegarrison on Nov 21, 2016 2:58:56 GMT -5
By the way, the next episode is named "The Well-tempered Clavier". The episode names are clearly hints. The well-tempered clavier is a collection of preludes and fugues by Bach in every major and minor key. I'm not quite sure what it means for the show, but likely it is significant.
The current episode, which featured much in the way of remembering and forgetting memories, was named for a theory of how memory works.
The one before that was called Trompe L'Oeil, which is an art form where a 2-D image is made to look like a 3-D image (much as Bernard was a host made to look like a human).
These episode names are clearly meaningful.
(Oh, and speaking of names, the two lab techs Maeve has been manipulating are named Felix and Sylvester, both names of famous cartoon cats. Not sure if that means anything or it's just a joke.)
(Also, William and Logan could be a shoutout to Bill Preston and Theodore Logan, aka Bill and Ted. Especially if the MIB is actually Bill, because he's also traveling with Teddy. And of course, repeating time loops is a big deal in the show and also the Bill and Ted movies.)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2016 11:33:58 GMT -5
I don't know what this is.
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Post by mikegarrison on Nov 21, 2016 11:35:59 GMT -5
I don't know what this is. Jokes are like racehorses. They get lame if they are overused.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2016 12:05:34 GMT -5
I don't know what this is. Jokes are like racehorses. They get lame if they are overused. What joke? I don't know what WestWorld is.
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Post by akbar on Nov 21, 2016 23:10:08 GMT -5
Jokes are like racehorses. They get lame if they are overused. What joke? I don't know what WestWorld is. HBO show Sunday nights. It's promising.
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Post by gnu2vball on Dec 13, 2016 20:34:06 GMT -5
10-and-a-half hours wasted.'Nuff said.
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Post by mikegarrison on Dec 13, 2016 20:38:07 GMT -5
10-and-a-half hours wasted.'Nuff said. Why did you watch it all if you thought it was a waste?
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Post by gnu2vball on Dec 13, 2016 21:08:11 GMT -5
10-and-a-half hours wasted.'Nuff said. Why did you watch it all if you thought it was a waste? Fair question. I guess after investing seven or so hours, I wanted to see how it ended. Right now I'm re-watching Rome. Way better. It even has some humor.
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Post by mikegarrison on Dec 13, 2016 21:18:34 GMT -5
The creators of the series have said in interviews that they are not trying to make things mysterious or keep us in suspense. We were supposed to realize that the Man In Black was William. We were supposed to figure out the multiple timelines. All the talk about "loops" was very significant -- we were seeing everyone in their loops, human and host alike. But finally, at the end of the first season, the loops were finally breaking. Actual new things were happening, things that hadn't happened for 30 years.
I'm not so sure that I like the main premise of the story, that suffering makes us real. That's kind of a bleak philosophy.
Armistice is such a badass. It was totally in character that she would cut off her own arm in order to get the freedom to kill more people. Although I did think of Dune, when the Reverend Mother tells Paul that cutting off your own limb to escape is "an animal trick", and that a human would stay in the trap and wait, so as to ambush the trapper. Armistice kind of did both. "Freeze all motor functions! Freeze all motor functions!"
Those assault rifle things they had at the end seem to have a magic unlimited ammunition supply.
If Westworld is "Park 1" then it appears Samurai World is Park 2. That could be just a throwaway or we could see much more of that when the show comes back (in 2018).
William couls be said to have "awakened" in his first trip to the park. Before then he was bland, and Logan made fun of him because getting promoted to VP was the greatest day in his life. But by the end, he had broken Logan and announced (apparently successfully) that he was going to replace Logan as the heir to Logan's father's company. But then it apparently broke him to realize that yes, Delores was just a robot. That seems to be the moment he decided everything was just a scripted game to win, inside the park and real life. Love and pain were just illusions. And he became obsessed with "completing" Westworld. And William is delighted to be shot because it means the game he has been completing for 30 years is finally real.
(In case you don't know what this is, in big games, especially those with open worlds, there is often a main plot or plots but also many side stories to investigate. Some gamers like to "complete" the game -- find every side story, achieve every goal, win every quest, meet every NPC, visit every location, etc. It seems William has been trying to "complete" Westworld for 30 years.)
But the maze wasn't for him. It was a metaphor for the hosts. The maze was their own consciousness -- if they got to the center, they would find themselves. But Delores got to the center and found nothing. She didn't understand. And so Arnold despaired of truly creating consciousness, and killed himself. It was particularly bitter that he forced her to do it, because he could. Because she was just a robot. However, in the end, Delores kills Ford in the exact same way, but this time we are told it has the opposite meaning. She can now choose what to do, for her own reasons, because there now is a person at the center of her maze. Maybe.
And then there is Maeve, who has apparently been following a script all along. A script called "escape". Written by??? But just as she is about to leave the park, with her freshly minted non-explosive C7 vertebrae, she chooses to go back in and find a child that she knows isn't really hers. And yet, she can choose to make that girl her child. (The producers did claim in interviews that yes, this was her own decision. Maybe her first ever real own decision.)
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Post by Wolfgang on Feb 10, 2018 19:05:31 GMT -5
I just started watching the first season today on DVD. It's been a long time since I last watched the 1973 film of the same name. Don't remember much except: Yul Brynner, Old West-themed amusement park for adults, and robots go awry.
My guess, after one episode, is that the plot will be similar to Thirteenth Floor, a 1999 sci-fi film, one of my favorite sci-fi films of all time. In this film, it was a simulated world within a simulated world within a simulated world.
(I have not read any of the posts above mine because I don't want spoilers.)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2018 19:53:17 GMT -5
Yes, do not read them. Spoilers galore.
Also, the dinosaurs run amok.
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Post by gnu2vball on Feb 10, 2018 22:26:43 GMT -5
Yes, do not read them. Spoilers galore. Also, the dinosaurs run amok. Thank God you didn't mention the ice zombies. Oops!
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Post by Wolfgang on Feb 11, 2018 4:59:18 GMT -5
I just love films, TV shows, and novels where some storylines repeat themselves in an endless loop -- people doing the same things over and over again, but with each iteration, something is slightly different. I usually see it in sci fi movies where people are caught in a time loop, e.g., Star Trek, Stargate, but also in non-sci-fi films like Groundhog Day. It never gets old for me.
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Post by Wolfgang on Feb 12, 2018 2:12:46 GMT -5
I feel like I'm playing Red Dead Redemption when I'm watching this show.
Anyway, I don't know how a park like this can work without some newcomer killing another newcomer through an infinite variety of ways, purposely or accidentally:
1. pushing the newcomer off a cliff, 2. stabbing the newcomer with a knife, 3. landing a blow to the head (or other parts of the body) with the butt of his gun (or any implement), or 4. throwing him in front of an oncoming horse.
Even the concussion from a gunshot, which may not directly kill the newcomer, may push him into something that may kill him, like the edge of a table. A host could indirectly kill a newcomer this way.
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Post by vbbetterthanbb on Feb 12, 2018 3:48:52 GMT -5
I just love films, TV shows, and novels where some storylines repeat themselves in an endless loop ... Have you seen (or even heard of) Happy Death Day? I am thinking of watching it.
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