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Post by brooselee on Apr 11, 2017 1:49:12 GMT -5
Maybe Robyn is concerned about the injury and burn out factor. Take a look at Nicki Taylor. She was injury prone during her indoor career. Sometimes it just not smart to play too much. Some people need time off for their body to heal.
I also honestly don't think the beach game of dinking balls all over the court, passing, and bump setting is something that will help her in her indoor game. She need to be working on her location and speed of her set. That something you don't do on the sand. Everything in the sand game is soooo slooooowwwww. :-)
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Post by newbeach on Apr 28, 2017 19:49:02 GMT -5
Close match against Cal-Poly who wanted to pull off an upset at Pismo Beach today (despite the 4-1 score). Up next Long Beach! Hoping for revenge. It is definitely doable and will help now that they got their toes wet in the (Pismo) sand!
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Post by uncommitted on Apr 28, 2017 22:31:35 GMT -5
Well, this team is overloaded in general. 28 at it's max is crazy considering only 10 play regularly and Hall has played four pairs all year. I think a lot of the heralded freshmen have redshirted and will be available next year. On top of that, I would think many of the indoor players will no longer be able to play next season anyway. I remember reading that Hall allowed many of the indoor players to play Beach because he hasn't sure if Ah Mow would let them once she became the coach. Still, if I was a Beach-only recruit coming to Hawaii and being benched because a bunch of "walk on" indoor players are taking positions, I'd transfer. I'd expect next year's team to be under 20 with majority beach players. Hawaii will be right there for the foreseeable future. If Ah Mow only took out Iosia, I have a feeling it has to do with academics more than anything. Kahakai and Mitchem are probably more concerned about the National Indoor Team. But if the rest are still on the team, I'm sure there's more to it than we know. One thing that I don't understand, is how effective can the practices be with 28 players? That is a lot of players to spread a limited number of touches among. Question about the players who only played in exhibition matches......are they eligible to redshirt? I suspect many of the beach only players are also walk-ons, and who probably knew they might not play on a roster that large. And I've also heard that many programs have large beach rosters to help with headcounts for title IX purposes. If the scholarship players are playing or have realistic probability of playing in near future then Hawaii can probably hold onto the talent it really needs.
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Post by newbeach on Apr 29, 2017 14:54:56 GMT -5
UH defeated LBSU this morning 3-2 (with wins on courts 2, 3, and 4). They will play the winner of Cal Poly and LBSU for the Big West Championship. (If you had not yet heard) #gobows! SaveSave
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Post by HawaiiVB on Apr 29, 2017 15:11:14 GMT -5
LBSU beat Cal Poly, 3-2. Championship, Hawai'i vs. LBSU
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Post by newbeach on Apr 29, 2017 16:31:01 GMT -5
UH wins BIG West Conference Championship with a 4 - 1 win over LBSU!!
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Post by newbeach on May 2, 2017 18:43:31 GMT -5
Big west All-conference awards out for Big-west.
Martin/Tucker k pairs of the Year Martin
1st Team Taylor/Schucht Maglio/Weaver
2nd Team
Kan/Homayun
A little surprised LBasU coach wins Coach of the Year when UH wins conference and 2 out 3 meetings, and has pairs of year and freshman of year and higher ranking. I am sure LBSU coach is good to, so no disrespect. Just a little surprised.
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Post by trollhunter on May 2, 2017 19:07:54 GMT -5
Big west All-conference awards out for Big-west. Martin/Tucker k pairs of the Year Martin 1st Team Taylor/Schucht Maglio/Weaver 2nd Team Kan/Homayun A little surprised LBasU coach wins Coach of the Year when UH wins conference and 2 out 3 meetings, and has pairs of year and freshman of year and higher ranking. I am sure LBSU coach is good to, so no disrespect. Just a little surprised. I think they vote for these awards before conference tournament. At that time LBSU was 1-0 versus Hawaii, with a higher ranking.
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Post by newbeach on May 2, 2017 21:22:10 GMT -5
Big west All-conference awards out for Big-west. Martin/Tucker k pairs of the Year Martin 1st Team Taylor/Schucht Maglio/Weaver 2nd Team Kan/Homayun A little surprised LBasU coach wins Coach of the Year when UH wins conference and 2 out 3 meetings, and has pairs of year and freshman of year and higher ranking. I am sure LBSU coach is good to, so no disrespect. Just a little surprised. I think they vote for these awards before conference tournament. At that time LBSU was 1-0 versus Hawaii, with a higher ranking. Ahh! That totally makes sense then. The importance of that head to head loss during the regular season!
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Post by newbeach on May 19, 2017 15:11:52 GMT -5
Martin/Tucker named AA. Congrats to them. A little surprised given their 20-15 record but they were playing at the 1 flights.
Too bad they didn't have at least more AA's as honarable mentions at least. Seems like they only recognize the higher flights (USC Bukovec and Wheeler were the only 2 flight and their record was not as impressive as their three flight Cannon and Martin at 33-6).
Maglio and Weaver were 30-4 solely at the number 3 position and Kan/Homayun were 31/5 at the number 4 and 5 flights (21-5 at the number 4 and 10-0 at 5).. Those two pairs were the most consistent and key for several of UH's wins while 2's and 5 flights also had decent records.
A lot of the flights at 1,2 and 3 of most of the top teams Are really close (skill wise).
I'm not saying any of the AA's given out weren't deserved but with the skill level so tight on some of the flights it is a little confusin how some of the AA's selected were made. Usually it is, in part, based on stats and contribution to the team? Maybe they just need more AA's (levels) at least a few More HH's.
I think the Big West got it right by having a few deserving (lower flights) on the first and second teams.
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Post by Wolfgang on May 20, 2017 23:24:01 GMT -5
I don't think a 20-15 record is deserving of All-American status, even at the #1 flight. Maglio/Weaver and Kan/Homayun were, as stated above, the most consistent and contributed most to the team's victories.
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Post by newbeach on May 21, 2017 20:43:08 GMT -5
I don't think a 20-15 record is deserving of All-American status, even at the #1 flight. Maglio/Weaver and Kan/Homayun were, as stated above, the most consistent and contributed most to the team's victories. Hmmm. Interesting, I was prompted to do the math: Martin/ Tucker 57% ( 20-15 solely at #1) Maglio/ Weaver 88% (30-4 solely at #3) Kan/Homayun 86% (31-5 were 21-5 at #4 and 10-0 at #5) Really interesting how one would rate them overall if you had to give Hawaii one AA for their 3rd place finish. This season a lot of teams (strategizing perhaps) had strong 2's and 3's. USC's Cannon and Martin finished second at the Pairs tournament (taking Claes and Hughes to 3 sets). Maglio and Weaver split 1-1 with them and their only other losses were to Pepperdine (Dyer and Caputo also had wins against USC 3's). and FSU ranked in top 2 - 4 team). Note: Maglio and Weaver had 1 DNF at Nationals therefore Kan and Homayun got the school record). [ Taylor and Schucht solely at flight 2 had a 26-9 record. 74%. Other AA's: 2016 Spieler/Maglio 22-6 solely at #1 - 76% 2015 Tiegs/ Taylor 24-10 solely at #1 - 69% 2014 Spieler/ Taylor 35-13 solely at #2 - 73% Obviously record is not the main determining factor.
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Post by roy on May 22, 2017 0:54:57 GMT -5
Hmmm. Interesting, I was prompted to do the math: Martin/ Tucker 57% ( 20-15 solely at #1) Maglio/ Weaver 88% (30-4 solely at #3) Kan/Homayun 86% (31-5 were 21-5 at #4 and 10-0 at #5) Really interesting how one would rate them overall if you had to give Hawaii one AA for their 3rd place finish. This season a lot of teams (strategizing perhaps) had strong 2's and 3's. USC's Cannon and Martin finished second at the Pairs tournament (taking Claes and Hughes to 3 sets). Maglio and Weaver split 1-1 with them and their only other losses were to Pepperdine (Dyer and Caputo also had wins against USC 3's). and FSU ranked in top 2 - 4 team). Note: Maglio and Weaver had 1 DNF at Nationals therefore Kan and Homayun got the school record). [ Taylor and Schucht solely at flight 2 had a 26-9 record. 74%. Other AA's: 2016 Spieler/Maglio 22-6 solely at #1 - 76% 2015 Tiegs/ Taylor 24-10 solely at #1 - 69% 2014 Spieler/ Taylor 35-13 solely at #2 - 73% Obviously record is not the main determining factor. To me, the issue with awarding lower flights is like saying that the lower flight was a better team, and should be in a higher position. If Kan/Homayun are All Americans and not Martin/Tucker, it looks a lot like sandbagging. It makes you wonder why they weren't at a higher flight if a school is supposed to have their "best" team at the top. You would have All Americans at the #4 spot but not the other three pairs above them. And while there is no reason to say that Kan/Homayun would have done better at the #1 pair than Martin/Tucker (and that Martin/Tucker would have had a better or worse record at a lower flight), it would raise a lot of questions to why two All Americans were put at the #4 flight. I think this is why NCAA tennis has team competition but also awards All American honors based on individual performance. They play a 64 person single elimination tournament (and 32 for doubles) so part of the AA honors have to come from individual performance, not just how a team performs.
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Post by newbeach on May 22, 2017 2:25:31 GMT -5
Hmmm. Interesting, I was prompted to do the math: Martin/ Tucker 57% ( 20-15 solely at #1) Maglio/ Weaver 88% (30-4 solely at #3) Kan/Homayun 86% (31-5 were 21-5 at #4 and 10-0 at #5) Really interesting how one would rate them overall if you had to give Hawaii one AA for their 3rd place finish. This season a lot of teams (strategizing perhaps) had strong 2's and 3's. USC's Cannon and Martin finished second at the Pairs tournament (taking Claes and Hughes to 3 sets). Maglio and Weaver split 1-1 with them and their only other losses were to Pepperdine (Dyer and Caputo also had wins against USC 3's). and FSU ranked in top 2 - 4 team). Note: Maglio and Weaver had 1 DNF at Nationals therefore Kan and Homayun got the school record). [ Taylor and Schucht solely at flight 2 had a 26-9 record. 74%. Other AA's: 2016 Spieler/Maglio 22-6 solely at #1 - 76% 2015 Tiegs/ Taylor 24-10 solely at #1 - 69% 2014 Spieler/ Taylor 35-13 solely at #2 - 73% Obviously record is not the main determining factor. To me, the issue with awarding lower flights is like saying that the lower flight was a better team, and should be in a higher position. If Kan/Homayun are All Americans and not Martin/Tucker, it looks a lot like sandbagging. It makes you wonder why they weren't at a higher flight if a school is supposed to have their "best" team at the top. You would have All Americans at the #4 spot but not the other three pairs above them. And while there is no reason to say that Kan/Homayun would have done better at the #1 pair than Martin/Tucker (and that Martin/Tucker would have had a better or worse record at a lower flight), it would raise a lot of questions to why two All Americans were put at the #4 flight. I think this is why NCAA tennis has team competition but also awards All American honors based on individual performance. They play a 64 person single elimination tournament (and 32 for doubles) so part of the AA honors have to come from individual performance, not just how a team performs. Lot's of Great points! I guess it depends on how you define AA? Is it the best or is it based on contribution to the team and season record etc.? For the record, I personally am not saying that Kan/Homayun are a better team than Tucker/Martin. I recognize there are differences in flights (albeit small differences in some cases) and that should likely be taken into consideration. Is the criteria for individual play or team play? In indoor Taylor would likely not get an AA (even if she was considered the best player) if she did not have the stats to back it up over the season. Even good players who do not have their best season aren't awarded an AA for that season. Spieler and Taylor (2014) received AA's at the number 2 flight. Were they better than the 1 flight? I have no idea. They did however do well in pairs competition that year. However, the NCAA is not promoting the pairs competition (yet). Spieler and Maglio won the Outrigger tournament in the pairs competition in 2016 (the only pairs tournament they played) so may have legitimately been UH's best pairing that year. I do feel that some schools put some of their best players at the 2's and 3's this year (several Schools had AA's at 2 and 3 flights - different pairings then when they received their AA's however). There was a lot of competition and close skill sets especially at the 1 to 3 flights for a lot of schools. Were the coaches sandbagging or could they legitimately say one pairing had the edge over another? Hawaii flights were really close at the 1-3's and definitely Kan/Homayun improved since start of season as well. The coaches' strategy for the team is to field the best 5 flights. (Not necessarily the best pair - though obviously they have to then elect one pair as their number 1 - best pairing within the five chosen flights). Sometimes that means good players may go down a notch or two (UH, Pepperdine, FSU had some former 1's at the two and 3 positions). Bukovec and Wheeler from USC were AA's this year at the two flight. Were they better than all the other two's and several 1's? They didn't have a perfect record at the two flight and missed a few matches due to injury etc. Definitely they are a good team though. I guess the question is what is the criteria for AA's? Also, the whole conversation was started over the idea of perhaps awarding more (levels) of AA's to acknowledge stellar play.. with a pairs competition it may be more clear cut as to the best pairings (according to how they place). As stated previously, I was not questioning the legitimacy of the AA's given and all the girls worked very hard this season. I am just curious as to the criteria used (and should it possibly be modified?).
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