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Post by IdahoBoy on Aug 31, 2004 21:11:30 GMT -5
Here is a listing of AA's and years won from these schools. The debate is on. I am not sure which criteria we should judge by, but I definitely think this is an ALL-TIME vote.
Nebraska (15 AA honors) Greichaly Cepero 2000, 2001, 2002 (National Champ 2000) Tisha Delaney 1986 Lori Endicott 1987, 1988 Christy Johnson 1994, 1995 (National Champ 1994, 1995) Fiona Nepo 1996, 1997, 1998 Cathy Noth 1983, 1984 ** Val Novak 1989, 1990 Penn State (9 AA honors) Bonnie Bremner 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999 (National Champ 1999, Runners-up 1997, 1998) Ellen Hensler 1986 Michelle Jaworski 1990 Salima Davidson 1993, 1994 Sam Tortorello 2003 Hawaii (8 AA honors) Robyn Ah Mow 1995, 1996 (National Runners-up 1996) Nahaku Brown 1981 Cheri Boyer 1990, 1991 Martina Cincerova 1988 Joyce Ka'apuni 1983 (National Champ 1983) Kanoe Kamanao 2003 Long Beach State (8 AA honors) Brittany Hochevar 2002 Joy McKienzie 1993 Keri Nishimoto 2001 (National Runners-up 2001) Misty May 1997, 1998 (National Champs 1998) Sabrina Hernandez 1991, 1992 (National Runners-up 1991) Sheri Sanders 1989 Pacific (8 AA honors) Jan Saunders 1982, 1983, 1984 (National Runners-up 1983) Kara Gormsen 2000 Liz Hert 1987 (National Champs 1987) Melanie Beckenhauer 1990, 1991 Sacha Caldemeyer 1996
BYU (6 AA honors) Anna-Lena Smith 1998, 1999 Charlene Johnson 1993, 1994 Mariliisa Salmi 1986, 1987 (National Champs 1986) Stanford (6 AA honors) Carrie Feldman 1992 Lisa Sharpley 1996, 1997 (National Champs 1996, 1997) Wendi Rush 1985, 1986, 1987 (National Champs 1985) Texas (4 AA honors) Carrie Busch 1995 Eva Murray 1986 Heather Pfluger 1993 Sue Schelfhout 1988 UCLA (4 AA honors) Ann Boyer 1988 (National Champs 1988) Jeanne Beauprey 1982 Julie Bremner 1993 (National Champs 1993) Michelle Boyette 1984 (National Champs 1984)
USC (2 AA honors) Kim Ruddins 1984, 1985
Florida (2 AA honors) Heidi Anderson 1992 Jennifer Sanchez 1998
**Thanks PLM
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Post by BearClause on Aug 31, 2004 22:22:25 GMT -5
Cary Wendell was an AA at Stanford in 1993, 1994, and 1995. She was also co-POY in 1995. I'm not sure if she set all 3 years though, although she and Sharpley set out of a 6-2 in 1995.
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Post by wiscvball on Aug 31, 2004 22:54:14 GMT -5
Wisconsin (4 AA honors)
Morgan Shields (2002) Lizzy Fitzgerald (2000 & 2001) Laura Abbinante (1996)
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Post by Surfin D Beach on Aug 31, 2004 23:02:49 GMT -5
Of course, i'm biased... But I will say that what people forget is that at Long Beach State, besides Misty (who should win the whole thing for us anyway! LOL ) and Brittany, the others were just average players who Debbie Green transformed into ALL-AMERICANS... Perfect example is Kerri Nishimoto, who wasn't even on athletic scholarship, but was a President's Scholar (an academic scholarship program that includes 350+ of the state's high school valedictorians - which Kerri was I think)... She came in as defensive specialist... A bench player at that... She had to compete with Hochevar... Brittany Hochevar is clearly the better all around player, as she does everything... Yet Kerri was transformed into an all-american setter... That is true about many of the other setters from the beach as well... Just average players turned into all-americans... Again, that's aside from Misty May who should just win the whole thing for us... Don't forget that our settting coach, Debbie Green, is a volleyball legend herself... VB Hall Of Fame, Olympian, creator of modern day tricky setter plays, and considered one of the best setters of all time... GO BEACH!!!
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Post by PukaPants on Aug 31, 2004 23:19:15 GMT -5
Ya know, being under the tutelage of setting mistress Debbie Green wouldn't be so bad at all.
Kinda like when Bill dropped off Beatrix at Pai Mei's to learn Kung Fu....(yes, a Kill Bill 2 obscure movie reference)
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Post by Go Iowa on Aug 31, 2004 23:22:12 GMT -5
Brit was a 2nd teamer as a setter? Hmmm... guess I thought she hit that year. Maybe not. Either way, it must have been a slow year for setters.
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Post by plm on Aug 31, 2004 23:29:01 GMT -5
I'm sorry IdahoBoy but you missed Cathy Noth as an All-American setter in '83 & '84. This info came from the '03 media guide on page 158. That is a total of 15 All-American awards for NU.
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Post by Xplaya on Aug 31, 2004 23:34:16 GMT -5
[ Don't forget that our settting coach, Debbie Green, is a volleyball legend herself... VB Hall Of Fame, Olympian, creator of modern day tricky setter plays, and considered one of the best setters of all time... GO BEACH!!! [/quote]Too bad she played for USC!
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Post by cbrown1709 on Sept 1, 2004 0:22:36 GMT -5
Although isn't not my favorite school, mostly because of Beachman, but LBSU has put out some amazing setters. I love Misty! Green rocks!
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Post by sonofbarcelonabob on Sept 1, 2004 0:41:44 GMT -5
AA doesn't show the true measure of a setter's ability. Sorry, LBSU fans, but Nishimoto was an embarassment as a setter. I watched her. Alot. She got AA because LBSU had a good overall team that year.
The whole concept of a school pumping out better setters than everyone else is suspect anyway. It all depends on who they recruited each year, and how well that particular recruit fit into the system. Most of those names mentioned were better-than-average to great setters before they even set foot into a particular collegiate program.
One exception - Misty May. She was actually recruited to play OH. But during that disastrous '95 season for LBSU, she became setter by default. Of course, she had alot of conditions working in her favor. She was a gym rat who grew up around the sport - both parents played indoor and beach. Even though she had never set indoors fulltime before, you can believe she had seen more setting before enrolling at LBSU than most volleyball players see in a lifetime. She was also quick, had quick feet and reaction speed, and was very athletic. And, of course, she had Green to teach her.
One of the best collegiate indoor setters I can remember wasn't even mentioned here. Laura Davis from Ohio St. was phenomenal.
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Post by IdahoBoy on Sept 1, 2004 3:10:43 GMT -5
AA doesn't show the true measure of a setter's ability. I actually agree with SoBBob here. I just wanted to start with some criteria here, and AA's was a good start, I thought. I honestly don't think of a amazing setters and Nebraska together, but then, again, Nebraska probably has the best overall award-to-player ratio in the NCAA's. I also think we should through out the anomolies or the highs and lows: Example, throw out Misty May and Kerri Nishimoto from LBSU, and evaluate the remaining setters.
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Post by comic on Sept 1, 2004 9:43:08 GMT -5
Ok Ill vote for Penn State....Look at how many setters there have been there since 86...Hensler (I believe) was 3 or 4 year starter...Jaworski was a 4 year starter, Davidson was a 4 year starter, Bremner was a 4 year starter, and now Tortorello will be a 4 year starter. So since 83 they have had 5 4 year starters and then only 1 or 2 years where they had a fill in....
To me it seems like Russ does it right by getting good setters that create consistant setting for years....Ill call PSU setter U
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Post by BearClause on Sept 1, 2004 12:06:25 GMT -5
In four years, Holly McPeak never got an AA award, even on the 1990 NCAA Championship team.
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Post by rayb_14 on Sept 1, 2004 12:18:52 GMT -5
Here is a listing of AA's and years won from these schools. The debate is on. I am not sure which criteria we should judge by, but I definitely think this is an ALL-TIME vote. Nebraska (15 AA honors) Greichaly Cepero 2000, 2001, 2002 (National Champ 2000) Tisha Delaney 1986 Lori Endicott 1987, 1988 Christy Johnson 1994, 1995 (National Champ 1994, 1995) Fiona Nepo 1996, 1997, 1998 Cathy Noth 1983, 1984 ** Val Novak 1989, 1990 Penn State (9 AA honors) Bonnie Bremner 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999 (National Champ 1999, Runners-up 1997, 1998) Ellen Hensler 1986 Michelle Jaworski 1990 Salima Davidson 1993, 1994 Sam Tortorello 2003 Hawaii (8 AA honors) Robyn Ah Mow 1995, 1996 (National Runners-up 1996) Nahaku Brown 1981 Cheri Boyer 1990, 1991 Martina Cincerova 1988 Joyce Ka'apuni 1983 (National Champ 1983) Kanoe Kamanao 2003 Long Beach State (8 AA honors) Brittany Hochevar 2002 Joy McKienzie 1993 Keri Nishimoto 2001 (National Runners-up 2001) Misty May 1997, 1998 (National Champs 1998) Sabrina Hernandez 1991, 1992 (National Runners-up 1991) Sheri Sanders 1989 Pacific (8 AA honors) Jan Saunders 1982, 1983, 1984 (National Runners-up 1983) Kara Gormsen 2000 Liz Hert 1987 (National Champs 1987) Melanie Beckenhauer 1990, 1991 Sacha Caldemeyer 1996 BYU (6 AA honors) Anna-Lena Smith 1998, 1999 Charlene Johnson 1993, 1994 Mariliisa Salmi 1986, 1987 (National Champs 1986) Stanford (6 AA honors) Carrie Feldman 1992 Lisa Sharpley 1996, 1997 (National Champs 1996, 1997) Wendi Rush 1985, 1986, 1987 (National Champs 1985) Texas (4 AA honors) Carrie Busch 1995 Eva Murray 1986 Heather Pfluger 1993 Sue Schelfhout 1988 UCLA (4 AA honors) Ann Boyer 1988 (National Champs 1988) Jeanne Beauprey 1982 Julie Bremner 1993 (National Champs 1993) Michelle Boyette 1984 (National Champs 1984) USC (2 AA honors) Kim Ruddins 1984, 1985 Florida (2 AA honors) Heidi Anderson 1992 Jennifer Sanchez 1998 **Thanks PLM just some extra stuff: *Nebraska didn't win it all in '94, Stanford did. *Salima Davidson, PSU - NCAA Finalist 93 *Joy McKenzie, LBSU - NCAA Champ 93 *BYU didn't win it all in '86, Pacific did. *Cary Wendell and Lisa Sharpley set a 6-2 in '94 and won a national championship. Cary was a 2nd team AA in 93 as an oh, then a 1st team AA as a s/oh in '94 and '95. *Carey Feldman, Stanford - '92 national champ *Stanford didn't win it all in '85, Pacific did. *UCLA didn't win it all in '93, LBSU did. *UCLA didn't win it in '88 either, Texas did.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2004 12:45:01 GMT -5
The Idahoser spends most of his time in a parallel universe. Apparently, UCLA was much more successful there.
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