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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 14:56:17 GMT -5
As a football fan, I loved JoePa, loved staying at one school for 40+ years, and all that. With that said, JoePa could pick up the phone call and have anyone in the state of Pennsylvania fired the next day. If JoePa couldn't stand Sandusky in 2000, he would of fired him. I can't imagine a protest to save Sandusky's job if JoePa fired him. Being old is not an excuse for not knowing/comprehending what sexual assault of a minor is. It's hard to forget to follow up on a sexual assault of a minor case within your team. You don't "follow policy" when it's a sexual assault that isn't being taken seriously. When the building is on fire and the fire alarm is going off, I don't follow policy and calmly walk out of the burning building, I run and scream... You would think what you "think" is correct. Most of your facts up there are incorrect. 1. Sandusky was gone in 1999, he was no longer part of the team after that, not sure about your 2000 comment. The administration kept letting him use the facilities for his charity, against Joe's direct requests not to. (so much for your "most powerful man in PA argument"). Everyone who was involved in football knows this. Sandusky caused trouble around the program because he was butt hurt that he was never going to be HC. 2. "Being old..." You would have had to have met or been mentored by the man to understand why you are way out of bounds here. Joe was NEVER told there was sexual contact going on and there is NO WAY that McQueary would have verbalized it beyond "really inappropriate horseplaying in our team's facilities". Joe had already for years insisted that this access be kept formal and orderly. He likely thought McQueary was highlighting more disruptive and unprofessional behavior on Sandusky's part. 3. It was not a sexual assault case to Joe and he was not allowed to intervene in admin's decision making process especially since all knew how badly he wanted Sandusky BANNED from campus. You are basing a lot of your thoughts on "what you would do" assuming someone told you this pervert had raped a child. That is not what was told. The last point I will make is that I have had a lot of contact with Sandusky but was fortunate enough not to be coached by him. The guy always creeped me out (hindsight is amazing) because he was a close talker. Always in your personal space and a person that touched you when talking to you personally. BUT, I never would have assumed he was doing what he did. Sandusky's own kids (adopted) swore nothing happened until some of them realized they had blocked it. Does anyone know that McQueary used to hang out with those kids when he was growing up? Played football with them? In HS and at PSU? I have always wondered if Mike ever saw anything that day or if he could not believe that Sandusky was still on campus years after not being on the staff even with Joe pushing to ban him and decided to do something about it. Mike grew up with the boys, hung out over there in that tiny house so maybe he knew what many of them knew and had blocked out and decided to do something about it? With hundreds of milliions in easy payouts, does no one else find it strange that the boy that McQueary witnessed getting raped in the shower that night has never stepped forward to sue and secure his future?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 14:57:43 GMT -5
I completely agree and already have. I am shocked by how low the number is though.
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Post by azvb on Jun 7, 2017 14:58:30 GMT -5
I think RB was a horny jerk who used his position as coach to have sex, excuse me, rape his players.
"Horny Jerk" isn't approved medical terminology, btw 😉.
Oh, and why should someone be forgiven when (at least to my knowledge), they've never said they were sorry or asked for forgiveness?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 15:10:53 GMT -5
I don't think he was a pedophile. So I'm on THAT side, whatever THAT is. I think this was a power play. But that's possibly worse, if not outright rape. And, yes, I think forgiveness can't precede an admission. (And, no, I don't know the technical definition of pedophilia.) Attacking one of your (alleged?) victims is not a great first step. I agree. It should be considered rape. It was not denied that he had sex with three girls that he wielded significant power and influence over, only the timing of the sex was disputed in the testimony. RB said after they were 18 and three women said 16, 17, 17 (or 16, 16, 17). In his court argument to be reinstated to USAV, RB did not deny the sex either but argued "USAV cannot use that point as saying RB embarrassed and hurt the reputation of USAV". It is a weird argument to make for someone falsely accused that planned to continue coaching girls. If they had come forward within the statute of limitations, this likely would have been resolved by now by the justice system. People should likely read this and try to make up their own opinion. It is a short summary. law.justia.com/cases/illinois/court-of-appeals-first-appellate-district/1996/1960743.html
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Post by azvb on Jun 7, 2017 15:16:30 GMT -5
I'd really like to have a pow wow with Julie Bremner's parents.
"The hard thing about coming forward wasn't that my parents wouldn't believe me, but that they would believe me but do nothing about it because [my] volleyball was too important," Bremner said.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 15:17:35 GMT -5
I think RB was a horny jerk who used his position as coach to have sex, excuse me, rape his players. "Horny Jerk" isn't approved medical terminology, btw 😉. Oh, and why should someone be forgiven when (at least to my knowledge), they've never said they were sorry or asked for forgiveness? He was 34 at the time. Must have been seriously inept with women or have mental issues to want to rape 16 year olds instead of meeting a woman more experienced and closer to his age.
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Post by azvb on Jun 7, 2017 15:28:44 GMT -5
I think RB was a horny jerk who used his position as coach to have sex, excuse me, rape his players. "Horny Jerk" isn't approved medical terminology, btw 😉. Oh, and why should someone be forgiven when (at least to my knowledge), they've never said they were sorry or asked for forgiveness? He was 34 at the time. Must have been seriously inept with women or have mental issues to want to rape 16 year olds instead of meeting a woman more experienced and closer to his age. I thought he was in his 20's. Either way, I'm guessing you are right-inept with women and mental illness.
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Post by mikegarrison on Jun 7, 2017 15:41:49 GMT -5
He was 34 at the time. Must have been seriously inept with women or have mental issues to want to rape 16 year olds instead of meeting a woman more experienced and closer to his age. I thought he was in his 20's. Either way, I'm guessing you are right-inept with women and mental illness. If being attracted to young, athletic women is a mental illness, then almost every heterosexual man in the world has that illness. It's completely normal. That's not to say that acting on such attraction is therefore justified. That depends on many factors, including informed consent, local laws, whether there is an authority relationship involved, etc.
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Post by azvb on Jun 7, 2017 15:44:50 GMT -5
I thought he was in his 20's. Either way, I'm guessing you are right-inept with women and mental illness. If being attracted to young, athletic women is a mental illness, then almost every heterosexual man in the world has that illness. It's completely normal. That's not to say that acting on such attraction is therefore justified. That depends on many factors, including informed consent, local laws, whether there is an authority relationship involved, etc. Haha, yes, the actual attraction is not an illness, but rather 100% normal. Just as my attraction to George Clooney is normal.
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Post by Sorry Ass Sal on Jun 7, 2017 23:30:10 GMT -5
Volleytalk can only handle one AZVB. Wait, does Max thinks I'm posting under different names? I'm confused. Well, he would know if you are.
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Post by swimrowvball on Jun 16, 2017 11:38:59 GMT -5
There is quite the positive media campaign going on for the past few days over on Sports Perfomance's Facebook page. Past player "love", girls having "fun" albeit for 2 minutes. Any verdict on Butler/AAU ?
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Post by why on Jun 16, 2017 15:45:36 GMT -5
There is quite the positive media campaign going on for the past few days over on Sports Perfomance's Facebook page. Past player "love", girls having "fun" albeit for 2 minutes. Any verdict on Butler/AAU ? When you ask (wink, wink) tell all of your players to to write a great review of your club or.... I give them credit for the positive spin. Now for reality anyone who gave them less than a 5 star review gets the treatment you might expect from a 5 star club. *Parent Review "Seating is poor, more needed, more comfort for the second tier where refreshments are sold, but overall friendly and helpful staff." SPVC Reply "When you say we have "poor seating" where are you referring to? We strive to be a 5 star club and establishment so any feedback would be helpful." Parent Reply "In the more confined southern part of your facility very tight not enough seating many people standing this weekend due to lack of seating. I consider that as a patron "poor" seating. I commented nothing on the rest of the facility other than very accommodating staff. You ask people to rate it so I did?" SPVC Reply "This site is to rate the Sports Performance Volleyball program. This is not a site to rate the facility that Sports Performance doesn't own or operate. (Fact Checking Now)I ask that you remove your rating on the facility because it does not belong here"Parent Reply "On the contrary, your original response stated, and I quote " 5 star club and establishment". Therefor, one could assume by your comments that it is your facility. Nevertheless, you ask for ratings and I provided one, complimenting the program and staff, however, your tone is a bit terse and quite frankly somewhat rude. I'd be careful with your words towards customers." This was for a 4 Star Review - Seems like every low rating has gotten the same treatment and demands to remove all low rating. Can't imagine what a 1 star would get go see for yourself. Please verify for yourself visit their page and read ALL of the Reviews. I am looking forward to all of the media coverage the AAU gets this year.
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Post by swimrowvball on Jun 16, 2017 16:33:20 GMT -5
^^^^How else would you suspect a narcissist (or employees controlled by a narcissist) to answer?
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Post by why on Jan 18, 2018 18:29:48 GMT -5
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Post by Sorry Ass Sal on Jan 18, 2018 18:43:05 GMT -5
USAV has a new CEO, although USAV isn't really the group overseeing him now. I don't know who runs AAU/JVA in which his teams compete.
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