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Post by jake on Jul 24, 2017 15:52:21 GMT -5
This time I need to side with ccman as far as scheduling OOC home matches at CAL POLY.
Realize coach Crosson is looking for those 2-3-4 mini tournaments to schedule for his team,...so much easier to go on the road and not worry about organizing a home tourney, getting an underwriter, etc.
Nevertheless, it is really not in good form not to make the attempt.
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Jul 24, 2017 16:10:40 GMT -5
I imagine SLO's remoteness could make it difficult for Cal Poly to get home preseason matches of the caliber they are looking for. Sure they could get Fresno and Bakersfield to come, but good-for-RPI schools have options and if they are making a Cali trip they're going to go to LA or the Bay or SD. I agree with this. Cal Poly's main goal is to have the best non-conference RPI possible. That means going on the road. Pepperdine is able to get a tournament with Washington, Missouri State, and Wyoming. I don't think it would be very easy for Cal Poly to get a tournament like that. Cal Poly plays in a RPI-gem tournament to open the season. Dayton, High Point, and Northern Illinois. Schools like Long Beach State, Loyola Marymount, Pepperdine, CSUN, Santa Clara, Saint Mary's all have the benefit of being in the SF/LA area so they can also catch teams that are visiting Cali for an extra match or two. They can share courts also. They're able to get in on some better opportunities, particularly at home. You can't say the same thing for a school like Cal Poly. SLO is about half way between LA and San Francisco. I disagree. I'm only saying Poly needs to have a few home non-conf matches, it's been non-existent almost. The main goal is to BUILD the program, RPI isn't the main element of building a program - it's one element, and it's also not something to chase exclusively. Travel to Dayton Travel to Seattle Travel to Eugene Travel to Green Bay that's a tough travel schedule, given the 'remoteness' of Cal Poly that makes that travel extra tough - not the most conducive to preparing and winning
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Post by trojansc on Jul 24, 2017 16:34:22 GMT -5
Do you know how hard it is to bring in 3 or at least 2 quality teams to tournaments in the Non-Conference? Particularly if you are a mid-major, on the west coast, not in a major city. It's extremely difficult.
Do you honestly believe that it's better for Poly to play teams like San Jose State, Sacramento State, Bakersfield, and Fresno State? Does that help build the program? If so, Cal Poly has done that in recent years and those have pretty much been their only home game opportunities.
Cal Poly's biggest win of the 2016 season came on the road (against a top-20 Western Kentucky team) That tournament included Saint Loruis and Arkansas St. Ark St is excellent for RPI - Saint Louis finished 2nd in the A-10. This tournament was a huge booster for Cal Poly in RPI. Cal Poly was a big win or two (against Hawaii, LBSU) from getting into the tournament. When was the last time Cal Poly got into the tournament?
The point is Cal Poly has very few options to get solid home tournaments. If you're coming to CA, why Cal Poly? I think given their limited options, they are better off going on the road. USC could have opted to go to Cal Poly - but Santa Barbara is closer, so they are playing a OOC tournament there.
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Jul 24, 2017 17:09:15 GMT -5
Do you know how hard it is to bring in 3 or at least 2 quality teams to tournaments in the Non-Conference? Particularly if you are a mid-major, on the west coast, not in a major city. It's extremely difficult. Do you honestly believe that it's better for Poly to play teams like San Jose State, Sacramento State, Bakersfield, and Fresno State? Does that help build the program? If so, Cal Poly has done that in recent years and those have pretty much been their only home game opportunities. Cal Poly's biggest win of the 2016 season came on the road (against a top-20 Western Kentucky team) That tournament included Saint Loruis and Arkansas St. Ark St is excellent for RPI - Saint Louis finished 2nd in the A-10. This tournament was a huge booster for Cal Poly in RPI. Cal Poly was a big win or two (against Hawaii, LBSU) from getting into the tournament. When was the last time Cal Poly got into the tournament? The point is Cal Poly has very few options to get solid home tournaments. If you're coming to CA, why Cal Poly? I think given their limited options, they are better off going on the road. USC could have opted to go to Cal Poly - but Santa Barbara is closer, so they are playing a OOC tournament there. yes, I do know how hard it is. So what? That's what the coach is paid to do. Cal Poly didn't beat Arkansas St. They went 0-6 vs. Haw, LB, Purdue, Stanford. How did that work out? Bottom line is Cal Poly went on the road, and ended up with one quality win. I just cringe when people make RPI scheduling the entire ball of wax. It's not always easy to game it. I'm not saying don't try to game RPI to some degree, but at the same time, give your fan base the product. It is not ALL (I didn't see RPI doesn't matter) about gaming RPI. IMO it's also about making sure you give yourself the best opportunity to get the quality wins, and not necessarily trying to cram in every opponent for the sake of RPI.
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Post by trojansc on Jul 24, 2017 17:31:08 GMT -5
Ark St. went 25-8. Even if you lose that match, that's a good team to schedule. Low risk, but high reward. Cal Poly lost that one in 5. They lost to Stanford in 5. They were competitive against Purdue.
Bottom line, it was better for Cal Poly to go on the road and play quality teams. RPI is 50% your opponents record. You have to schedule quality teams, even if you don't win all of them. If Cal Poly won just one or two more games, they would be vying in the tournament. That's national exposure, even though more volleyball is on TV, the Big West doesn't really get much exposure.
There's no point in arguing this with you. You're last paragraph is mumbo-jumbo. Cal Poly did an excellent job scheduling last year, and I think did even better this year. They should be a tournament team. You're line about "that's what the coach is paid to do"..... I don't get it... Is it more important for Cal Poly to be playing in December or at home in early September (When students aren't even there).
BTW, playing in the Big West, RPI Scheduling is pretty much the entire ball of wax if you want to see the postseason. The Big West teams usually play other Western teams, which hurts RPI even more. Cal Poly, playing Bakersfield, Fresno, and others, would compound that. How many West Coast mid-major teams have got shafted in the NCAA's selection (not just volleyball) due to RPI? Are you really arguing it's better to play at home OOC than try to game that system and get into the tournament?
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Jul 24, 2017 17:53:34 GMT -5
Ark St. went 25-8. Even if you lose that match, that's a good team to schedule. Low risk, but high reward. Cal Poly lost that one in 5. They lost to Stanford in 5. They were competitive against Purdue. Bottom line, it was better for Cal Poly to go on the road and play quality teams. RPI is 50% your opponents record. You have to schedule quality teams, even if you don't win all of them. If Cal Poly won just one or two more games, they would be vying in the tournament. That's national exposure, even though more volleyball is on TV, the Big West doesn't really get much exposure. There's no point in arguing this with you. You're last paragraph is mumbo-jumbo. Cal Poly did an excellent job scheduling last year, and I think did even better this year. They should be a tournament team. You're line about "that's what the coach is paid to do"..... I don't get it... Is it more important for Cal Poly to be playing in December or at home in early September (When students aren't even there). BTW, playing in the Big West, RPI Scheduling is pretty much the entire ball of wax if you want to see the postseason. The Big West teams usually play other Western teams, which hurts RPI even more. Cal Poly, playing Bakersfield, Fresno, and others, would compound that. How many West Coast mid-major teams have got shafted in the NCAA's selection (not just volleyball) due to RPI? Are you really arguing it's better to play at home OOC than try to game that system and get into the tournament? lol - I'm not even disagreeing with you for the most part other than I think it's worthwhile to at least schedule one home series, even if you have to sacrifice a little in your opp RPI. you listed examples of matches Cal Poly didn't win - lol, hey if you think the difference between playing in December is logging frequent flyer miles, not sure what else to say one can also argue that if you stayed home for one weekend, the team could be better prepared for the other 3 weekends: less travel, more prep, and in a better position to WIN more quality matches. Cal Poly has a brutal road schedule for traveling from SLO. They are throwing away 3-4 practice/recovery days alone with this schedule again, it's not ALL about RPI, it's about winning - and pointing to 'near misses' is just pointing to losses - but that's my opinion
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Post by volleyjeep on Jul 24, 2017 18:04:04 GMT -5
This is pretty funny about Cal Poly not scheduling any home matches. Back in 2014 they had early season home matches. In 2015 they again had some early season home matches. In 2016 they went on the road. And they're again on the road in 2017.
2014 early season they played at home against Bakersfield (W), San Jose State (W), Sacramento State (W), Northern Illinois (W) and Santa Clara (L).
2015 early season they played at home against San Diego State (W) and Loyola Marymount (L).
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Post by volleyjeep on Jul 24, 2017 18:09:18 GMT -5
Cal Poly didn't beat Arkansas St. They went 0-6 vs. Haw, LB, Purdue, Stanford. How did that work out? Bottom line is Cal Poly went on the road, and ended up with one quality win. While CP did lose to all those teams, they lost in 5 against Stanford, lost in 5 against Ark St. They didn't get the results they wanted, but they were a very competitive team that could have done much better. When they played Hawaii at home last year they won game 1 34-32 then lost game 2 25-27. Game 2 could very easily have gone CP's way and put them up 2-0. But coulda woulda shoulda is what they say, right? They didn't get that game win and it hurt them the rest of the match due to their setter getting injured in game 3 and really losing their momentum due to that. I think had they struck that game 2 win they would have gone on to win in 3 or 4. Granted, that's only if their setter doesn't leave the game.
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Post by jake on Jul 24, 2017 18:56:04 GMT -5
This time I need to side with ccman as far as scheduling OOC home matches at CAL POLY. Realize coach Crosson is looking for those 2-3-4 mini tournaments to schedule for his team,...so much easier to go on the road and not worry about organizing a home tourney, getting an underwriter, etc. Nevertheless, it is really not in good form not to make the attempt. SEE YOU IN 2018... The POLY/Adidas INVITE
I think the two elements that have been banged around can be remedied to the satisfaction of all concerned. There are plenty of quality teams on the West coast within busing distance of CAL POLY.
Teams from the Pac12, MWC & WCC, that would love to take a bus ride (easy enough) to San Luis Obispo for a weekend of D1 Women's Volleyball. Teams with very good RPI's and teams that would draw good home local crowds. Coach Crosson just needs to get his staff off their backsides and get three teams (minimum) to make the trip. I will bet, if he starts to advertise for 2018 he will be swamped with requests from across the USA.
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Jul 24, 2017 19:18:24 GMT -5
Hawai'i starts the season with 13 straight home games, including 3 tournaments. I'm sure we'll witness the usual complaining about Hawaii not playing more road matches but it doesn't matter. I'm sure Hawai'i fans are ecstatic to watch their team play so many games at home. In addition, the teams that fly to Honolulu will get to have a mini vacation and enjoy a world-class tourist destination (homeless problem and all). Marquette, San Diego, and UCLA to start the season at the SSC. It's going to be a fun ride.
Btw, Cal Poly stinks. That whole program needs a shower.
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Jul 24, 2017 19:28:30 GMT -5
Hawai'i starts the season with 13 straight home games, including 3 tournaments. I'm sure we'll witness the usual complaining about Hawaii not playing more road matches but it doesn't matter. I'm sure Hawai'i fans are ecstatic to watch their team play so many games at home. In addition, the teams that fly to Honolulu will get to have a mini vacation and enjoy a world-class tourist destination (homeless problem and all). Marquette, San Diego, and UCLA to start the season at the SSC. It's going to be a fun ride. Btw, Cal Poly stinks. That whole program needs a shower. see, I don't know what Cal Poly's scheduling problem is Marquette, San Diego, & UCLA could save a ton of money and just go to Cal Poly and they could also get a min-vacation and enjoy world-class tourism Avila or Waikiki? cmon, not that big a difference and that's have enough money left for everybody to take all the showers they need
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Post by beachgrad on Jul 24, 2017 21:05:15 GMT -5
...They have the best leftside hitter in the conference returning in Lindsey Ruddins. They also have some veterans returning from injury last season... I would love to see UCSB have a great preseason and challenge for a conference championship. Big West needs more teams that are competitive both regionally and nationally. Who are the returning impact veterans that were injured the prior year?
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Post by noblesol on Jul 24, 2017 21:11:04 GMT -5
Hawai'i starts the season with 13 straight home games, including 3 tournaments. I'm sure we'll witness the usual complaining about Hawaii not playing more road matches but it doesn't matter. I'm sure Hawai'i fans are ecstatic to watch their team play so many games at home. In addition, the teams that fly to Honolulu will get to have a mini vacation and enjoy a world-class tourist destination (homeless problem and all). Marquette, San Diego, and UCLA to start the season at the SSC. It's going to be a fun ride. Btw, Cal Poly stinks. That whole program needs a shower. see, I don't know what Cal Poly's scheduling problem is Marquette, San Diego, & UCLA could save a ton of money and just go to Cal Poly and they could also get a min-vacation and enjoy world-class tourism Avila or Waikiki? cmon, not that big a difference and that's have enough money left for everybody to take all the showers they need
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Post by noblesol on Jul 24, 2017 21:24:13 GMT -5
I'm not sure the Mott even has adequate a/c to cool things off in August/September. In their match against Hawaii last year, it was humid, hot, sweltering in the Mott, and my recollection is Cal Poly lost their setter due to dehydration and muscle cramps. Players were slipping and falling and the Hawaii players were measuring their steps. Cal Poly was trying to run an extra fast offense and by mid-way into the second set they had slowed way down. The crowd that came was into the game, but I think they only drew about 900 and a large number of those were Hawaii fans. I think Crosson's schedule this year is about right for them this year, challenging enough, and if they win their share and stay healthy, they should give Hawaii/Long Beach/UCSB all they can handle in 2017. The CP fan base will have good reason to travel and follow them in conference, and I expect we will see a lot of them at the Stan this year.
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Post by newbeach on Jul 24, 2017 22:06:05 GMT -5
Although losing Taylor and Mitchem are big losses, Hawaii is still returning 3 All Conference players this season (Maglio, Iosia, and Kahakai). Granato, Castillo, and Greeley (once she is cleared at 100%) should also contribute and balance out the offense. There are a few question marks in some areas, but they have a solid, experienced core that should be able to compete well. Not counting them out for a run for 1st or 2nd.
Cal Poly has a good chance to step up. Long Beach also still has potential (does anyone know anything about this amazing transfer they are supposed to be getting?). Ruddins is a great player but not sure if they will have enough of a supporting cast around her to compete for the Championship?
It will be interesting to see what the new coaches can do with their teams.
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