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Post by ay2013 on Nov 16, 2017 3:02:21 GMT -5
Riddle me this. For those who say Florida should be a top 4 seed despite the lack of big wins because the SEC can't give it to them and argue that Florida shouldn't be punished because they don't play in the Big 10 or Pac-12 (Minny can double and Stanford and Nebraska can almost triple Florida's top 25 wins) what do you say about the seed resume of BYU and Wisconsin. If you take the Florida-SEC argument and don't want to "punish" teams because they don't play in leagues where they can rack up signifiant wins, I present to you the resume scenario of BYU and Wisconsin.....
Currently:
Wisconsin Overall Record- 17-8 Top 25 Record in Conference- 1-7 Top 25 Record OOC- 1-0 Total Top 25 Wins- 2 Top 50 Record in Conference- 5-8 Top 50 Record OOC- 2-0 Total Top 50 wins- 7
BYU Overall Record- 25-2 Top 25 Record in Conference- 1-1 Top 25 Record OOC- 1-1 Total Top 25 Wins- 2 Top 50 Record in Conference- 1-1 Top 50 Record OOC- 4-1 Total Top 50 Wins- 5
So what is the case for a seed for Wisconsin over BYU OTHER than the fact that Wisconsin plays in the Big 10?
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Post by c4ndlelight on Nov 16, 2017 3:07:01 GMT -5
BYU actually has common opponents (Ohio St.) in advantage too. BYU will get a seed over Wisconsin if they end up higher in RPI. It really depends on how that RPI number ends up shaking out.
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Post by ay2013 on Nov 16, 2017 3:10:20 GMT -5
BYU actually has common opponents (Ohio St.) in advantage too. BYU will get a seed over Wisconsin if they end up higher in RPI. It really depends on how that RPI number ends up shaking out. The lack of a scheduling bonus hurts BYU and helps Wisconsin. But, regardless of the aggregate RPI rank, which is SOOOO small between all of those teens teams, what I'd like to hear is for those arguing a place for Florida in the top 4 over Minnesota, but have Wisconsin as a seed and BYU not. I just don't see how it jives.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Nov 16, 2017 3:14:16 GMT -5
BYU actually has common opponents (Ohio St.) in advantage too. BYU will get a seed over Wisconsin if they end up higher in RPI. It really depends on how that RPI number ends up shaking out. The lack of a scheduling bonus hurts BYU and helps Wisconsin. But, regardless of the aggregate RPI rank, which is SOOOO small between all of those teens teams, what I'd like to hear is for those arguing a place for Florida in the top 4 over Minnesota, but have Wisconsin as a seed and BYU not. I just don't see how it jives. I don't see why you're looking at those as equivalent situations.
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Post by ay2013 on Nov 16, 2017 3:17:12 GMT -5
The lack of a scheduling bonus hurts BYU and helps Wisconsin. But, regardless of the aggregate RPI rank, which is SOOOO small between all of those teens teams, what I'd like to hear is for those arguing a place for Florida in the top 4 over Minnesota, but have Wisconsin as a seed and BYU not. I just don't see how it jives. I don't see why you're looking at those as equivalent situations. I'd like to see if relative conference strength, or lack there of, is an argument people would apply equally. I think Minnesota v. Florida for a top 4 seed, given overall resume is a good test for this argument, I also think a Wisconsin v. BYU for a seed in general, is also a pretty good test for this argument. At the end of the day the committee will do what it wants, surely, but for the people here on volleytalk who have argued about punishing/not punishing teams based on conference affilliation, and overall fairness, I'd like to know if that is all applied equally.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Nov 16, 2017 3:22:23 GMT -5
I don't see why you're looking at those as equivalent situations. I'd like to see if relative conference strength, or lack there of, is an argument people would apply equally. I think Minnesota v. Florida for a top 4 seed, given overall resume is a good test for this argument, I also think a Wisconsin v. BYU for a seed in general, is also a pretty good test for this argument. At the end of the day the committee will do what it wants, surely, but for the people here on volleytalk who have argued about punishing/not punishing teams based on conference affilliation, and overall fairness, I'd like to know if that is all applied equally. Conference strength isn't at issue. Florida has a higher RPI and an equivalent SOS to Minnesota; BYU does not vis-a-vis Wisconsin. It's also not Wisconsin v. BYU for a seed. It's BYU versus a packed field (which includes Wisconsin.. but also Baylor), and BYU's resume does not have as many highlights as other. For Florida, it's Florida versus Minnesota and a couple of teams they have beaten. Wisconsin's profile is quite thin, but until recently their RPI was high enough that it wasn't an issue. This is really the first moment when Wisconsin's RPI has even had them in the same conversation as BYU, which is why you haven't seen anyone question the two.
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Post by ay2013 on Nov 17, 2017 20:31:54 GMT -5
Nova sweeps Creighton....I'm so mad Washington lost at home to this team
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Post by trojansc on Nov 17, 2017 20:40:53 GMT -5
Nova sweeps Creighton....I'm so mad Washington lost at home to this team Lots of big matches today. Iowa/Maryland playing now - winner should make tournament Washington State 3-1 over Oregon puts them in the tournament and Oregon's seeding chances are pretty much crushed Ohio State is in trouble, needing to go 2-1 to finish the season College of Charleston down 1-2 to Hofstra
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Post by lionsfan on Nov 17, 2017 20:48:52 GMT -5
Nova sweeps Creighton....I'm so mad Washington lost at home to this team
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Post by brybast on Nov 17, 2017 21:28:34 GMT -5
Nova sweeps Creighton....I'm so mad Washington lost at home to this team Lots of big matches today. Iowa/Maryland playing now - winner should make tournament Washington State 3-1 over Oregon puts them in the tournament and Oregon's seeding chances are pretty much crushed Ohio State is in trouble, needing to go 2-1 to finish the season College of Charleston down 1-2 to Hofstra Ohio State should just schedule a makeshift nonconference match against some patsy team so they only have to beat one of Illinois-Iowa-Maryland to finish an even .500.
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Post by trojansc on Nov 17, 2017 21:30:03 GMT -5
Miami-FL escaped Virginia in 5. They've flirted with danger with a lot of teams in 5 sets, but always come out on top
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Post by brybast on Nov 19, 2017 3:01:52 GMT -5
Here are the updated RPIs (through Sat 11/18) of teams that might be competing for the final at-large bids. (At least 2, and as many as 5, of these teams will be AQs.)
31 Western Kentucky (plays North Texas on Sunday) 32 Marquette (will play in Big East tournament next weekend) 34 LSU (will play @alabama, Georgia, @tennessee) 36 NC State (will play @notre Dame, @ Duke, @wake Forest) 37 Missouri (will play Arkansas, Alabama, Florida) 38 Florida State (will play @ Virginia, @clemson, Tennessee) 39 Notre Dame (will play NC State, @syracuse, @ Boston College) 40 VCU (plays Dayton on Sunday) 41 Hawaii (no more matches) 42 High Point (plays Radford on Sunday) 43 Auburn (will play Miss St, @florida, @arkansas) 44 Ohio State (will play @maryland, Illinois—must win both to be eligible) 45 Missouri State (will play MVC tournament next weekend) 47 Maryland (will play Ohio St, Northwestern) 48 Iowa (will play Illinois, @nebraska) 49 College of Charleston (no more matches) 51 North Texas (plays WKU on Sunday) 52 Arkansas (will play @kentucky, Missouri, Auburn) 53 Northern Iowa (will play MVC tournament next weekend) 54 Dayton (plays VCU on Sunday) 58 North Carolina (will play @louisville, @wake Forest, Duke) 60 Alabama (will play LSU, @missouri, Texas A&M) 61 Georgia (will play @tennessee, @lsu, Kentucky) 65 Butler (will play Big East tournament next weekend)
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Post by trojansc on Nov 19, 2017 3:02:56 GMT -5
Very important games tomorrow:
North Carolina vs. Louisville - North Carolina will not make the tournament unless they win this match!
A-10 Championship Match - Dayton doesn't have much of an at-large chance, but it looks like High Point will definitely finish top 50, so VCU has a decent chance at an at-large. This is an important match. Other bubble teams want VCU to win this match.
C-USA Championship Match - Western Kentucky should be safe to get an at-large bid if they lose, but North Texas will definitely be on the bubble if they don't win. This should be a very good match.
Oregon vs. Washington - Oregon pretty much has to win out to be seeded. Washington still has a huge gap between them and the next RPI team (#9 USC as of right now)
LSU vs. Alabama - LSU can still make the tournament with a loss here, but it sure won't help their case. LSU's wins are all drifting out of top 50, so they might be starting to get a little nervous. Alabama is in desperation mode. Alabama has to win out to have a chance. This should be an intense encounter.
Arkansas vs. Missouri - Stakes are really high here as well. Arkansas desperately needs a victory, while Missouri just wants to keep up in RPI. Missouri looks to be in good shape as of now, while Arkansas is desperate like Alabama. Arkansas needs this win more, but a loss and Missouri might be in trouble.
Virginia vs. Florida State - Florida State has to win out. Miami-FL just went 5 with UVA, so they have to avoid a slip up.
Virginia Tech vs. Miami-FL - Miami can afford one loss, but that's it. They'd probably not want it to come here, as @georgia Tech won't be that easy. Miami really needs to take care of business.
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Post by trojansc on Nov 19, 2017 15:08:03 GMT -5
North Texas has to sweat for another week.
North Carolina, season on the line, down 0-2 at Louisville.. just forced a 5th set.
Louisville pullls it off, 15-11! Wow, tough loss for UNC. They were so injury plagued this year. Can't believe 6 ACC teams are probably going to get in, and UNC out.
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Post by bluepenquin on Nov 19, 2017 15:38:59 GMT -5
NC State and Notre Dame going to 5. Loser may need to win their last two to make the tournament - especially for Notre Dame.
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