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Post by Topshot on Nov 7, 2017 16:32:27 GMT -5
Expectations going into the tournament this weekend?
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Post by ptyspiker14 on Nov 7, 2017 16:57:06 GMT -5
Top 4 teams in my opinion (no particular order):
Ultimate 18-Gold Adversity 18-Purple SPRI 18-Elite Pipeline 18-Nike
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Post by bouncethat on Nov 8, 2017 12:41:17 GMT -5
Top 4 teams in my opinion (no particular order): Ultimate 18-Gold Adversity 18-Purple SPRI 18-Elite Pipeline 18-Nike Hitmen 18- Elite looked much better than Pipeline in my opinion, really big team that has some decent potential.
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Post by vbvictory1 on Nov 8, 2017 19:36:18 GMT -5
Ultimate 17 Gold was way under seeded; but, Adam always gives the 18's teams the early nod. The Ultimate 17 Gold vs SPVB Elite match Sunday should be a great early season battle. Remember, this 17 Gold group beat Hitmen 18 elite last summer before Nationals and lost to SPVB in a tight 3 in the finals. Overall in the end, it most likely will look like this...(not in final order) Ultimate 18 Gold Adversity 18 Purple SPVB 18 Elite Ultimate 17 Gold
(when they show up) MILW 18-1 MILW 17-1 STL 18 Royal
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Post by laeve on Nov 8, 2017 20:51:49 GMT -5
It is unusual to see Spvb 17 's in the competition.I assume it is not last year's 16's Mizuno top team since it is not called Elite.What's going on? Yeah I don’t know what’s going on -They aren’t calling it and “elite” team which is their new name for top teams -Doesn’t have any of the top players from last year as far as I can tell -Not the 16s elite team moved up either
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Post by ripitline on Nov 8, 2017 23:46:12 GMT -5
It is unusual to see Spvb 17 's in the competition.I assume it is not last year's 16's Mizuno top team since it is not called Elite.What's going on? Yeah I don’t know what’s going on -They aren’t calling it and “elite” team which is their new name for top teams -Doesn’t have any of the top players from last year as far as I can tell -Not the 16s elite team moved up either they lost their sponsorship with Mizuno and are now sponsored by Under Armour which accounts for the name changes and SPVB doesn't have any 17s I thought, they combine everyone into 18s.
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Post by ptyspiker14 on Nov 9, 2017 10:06:47 GMT -5
Yeah I don’t know what’s going on -They aren’t calling it and “elite” team which is their new name for top teams -Doesn’t have any of the top players from last year as far as I can tell -Not the 16s elite team moved up either they lost their sponsorship with Mizuno and are now sponsored by Under Armour which accounts for the name changes and SPVB doesn't have any 17s I thought, they combine everyone into 18s. You are correct, however there is a SPVB B17 Alpha mj7spvbc1gl listed for this weekend's play.
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Post by laeve on Nov 9, 2017 11:02:14 GMT -5
Yeah I don’t know what’s going on -They aren’t calling it and “elite” team which is their new name for top teams -Doesn’t have any of the top players from last year as far as I can tell -Not the 16s elite team moved up either they lost their sponsorship with Mizuno and are now sponsored by Under Armour which accounts for the name changes and SPVB doesn't have any 17s I thought, they combine everyone into 18s. I know about the name change but I don’t think you understand what I meant, they only have one team at 17s but it isn’t their new name for their highest teams.
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Post by vboldschool on Nov 9, 2017 11:55:40 GMT -5
It is unusual to see Spvb 17 's in the competition.I assume it is not last year's 16's Mizuno top team since it is not called Elite.What's going on? The SPVB girls typically field one very weak 17s team, and their best 17s (and sometimes 16s) get placed on the top 18s teams. It looks like they are following that model in the boys program. It makes sense for the girls, since the best players are usually committed (verbally anyway) by their 17s year. But it seems like a really bad idea for the boys. Don't most college recruiters focus on the 17s teams for boys? The recruiters don't watch the 18s courts, yet that's where the top SPVB 17s are playing. Seems like a lot of those kids will pass under the radar.
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Post by mvc17vb on Nov 9, 2017 13:41:52 GMT -5
It is unusual to see Spvb 17 's in the competition.I assume it is not last year's 16's Mizuno top team since it is not called Elite.What's going on? The SPVB girls typically field one very weak 17s team, and their best 17s (and sometimes 16s) get placed on the top 18s teams. It looks like they are following that model in the boys program. It makes sense for the girls, since the best players are usually committed (verbally anyway) by their 17s year. But it seems like a really bad idea for the boys. Don't most college recruiters focus on the 17s teams for boys? The recruiters don't watch the 18s courts, yet that's where the top SPVB 17s are playing. Seems like a lot of those kids will pass under the radar. If I'm not mistaken, I believe SPVB has done it this way for quite a few years; the top 15's and 17's boys typically play up on 16's and 18's teams. I don't think it has had any impact on college recruiting, pretty sure the college coaches know this.
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Post by gbwparent on Nov 9, 2017 13:42:54 GMT -5
It is unusual to see Spvb 17 's in the competition.I assume it is not last year's 16's Mizuno top team since it is not called Elite.What's going on? The SPVB girls typically field one very weak 17s team, and their best 17s (and sometimes 16s) get placed on the top 18s teams. It looks like they are following that model in the boys program. It makes sense for the girls, since the best players are usually committed (verbally anyway) by their 17s year. But it seems like a really bad idea for the boys. Don't most college recruiters focus on the 17s teams for boys? The recruiters don't watch the 18s courts, yet that's where the top SPVB 17s are playing. Seems like a lot of those kids will pass under the radar. They have been doing this for years. Nothing new here. The best players always play up and was the case for my son. Under the radar? Have you gone to their alumni page? I think they are doing just fine. greatlakescenter.com/spvb-boys-program/recruiting/alumni/College coaches watch 16s, 17s, and 18s teams all year long and know who the best players in the gym are no matter their age or club affiliation.
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Post by volleyba11 on Nov 9, 2017 14:33:02 GMT -5
It is unusual to see Spvb 17 's in the competition.I assume it is not last year's 16's Mizuno top team since it is not called Elite.What's going on? The SPVB girls typically field one very weak 17s team, and their best 17s (and sometimes 16s) get placed on the top 18s teams. It looks like they are following that model in the boys program. It makes sense for the girls, since the best players are usually committed (verbally anyway) by their 17s year. But it seems like a really bad idea for the boys. Don't most college recruiters focus on the 17s teams for boys? The recruiters don't watch the 18s courts, yet that's where the top SPVB 17s are playing. Seems like a lot of those kids will pass under the radar. The SPVB girls have not fielded a 17s team in years (at least 3 I believe). At that time they had two 17s, one that played in open and one that played in club. Both were competitive in those divisions but not overpowering. Your second paragraph was already debunked so I won't add anything extra.
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Post by ptyspiker14 on Nov 9, 2017 17:02:44 GMT -5
The SPVB girls typically field one very weak 17s team, and their best 17s (and sometimes 16s) get placed on the top 18s teams. It looks like they are following that model in the boys program. It makes sense for the girls, since the best players are usually committed (verbally anyway) by their 17s year. But it seems like a really bad idea for the boys. Don't most college recruiters focus on the 17s teams for boys? The recruiters don't watch the 18s courts, yet that's where the top SPVB 17s are playing. Seems like a lot of those kids will pass under the radar. The SPVB girls have not fielded a 17s team in years (at least 3 I believe). At that time they had two 17s, one that played in open and one that played in club. Both were competitive in those divisions but not overpowering. Your second paragraph was already debunked so I won't add anything extra. SPVB hasn't fielded a 17s team in quite awhile. If I recall correctly, they cut out the 17s teams back in approximately 2006 or 2007. I don't recall them having one since that time.
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Post by vboldschool on Nov 10, 2017 15:55:29 GMT -5
You guys are a rough crowd! I checked the records to see what the facts are. The normal SPVB ranking order for girls is: Elite, Red, White, Blue, Navy, Mizuno, Runbird, Wave. At 2013 nationals, the girls fielded 2 17s teams, Mizuo and Runbird (typically the 6th and 7th teams) At 2013 nationals, the boys fielded 3 17s teams, headlined by D1/D2 players Ricky Gevis, Marko Kostich, and Jared Wilcox At 2014 nationals, the girls fielded 3 17s teams, Mizuo, Runbird and Wave At 2014 nationals, the boys fielded 2 17s teams, headlined by D1/D2 players Tischler, Burton, Yeo, Schwarz, and Dickman Between 2014 and 2015, Johnwick stepped down from director of the boy's program, and was replaced by Troy Gilb, who came from the girl's program. After Troy Gilb took over the program: At 2015 nationals, neither the boys or girls programs fielded 17s teams. At 2016 nationals, the girls fielded 1 17s team, called Wave, the boys fielded no 17s teams In 2017, the boys are fielding one 17s team (called Alpha, which is typically the 2nd team) (The 2017 girls season has not yet started) So, to get back to the snarky comments, ptyspiker14, you don't recall correctly, as there have been multiple teams on both sides as recently as 2014, not 2006 or 2007 as you say. volleyba11, you are also incorrect, as the girls had 1 17s team last year, and 3 in 2014 gbwparent, the statement that the best players 'always play up' is not true. The first year SPVB didn't try to field a strong 17s team was in 2015, when Bischoff, Kotsakis, Meyer, and Piekarski played 18s, right after Troy Gilb came over from the girl's program. Regarding recruiting, you are correct that the coaches know who the best players in the gym are. But there are a lot of boys that aren't the best player in the gym, and would like to play D3 or NAIA somewhere. When they get put on a lower 18s team, they are more likely to slip under the radar.
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Post by gbwparent on Nov 10, 2017 16:23:58 GMT -5
You guys are a rough crowd! I checked the records to see what the facts are. The normal SPVB ranking order for girls is: Elite, Red, White, Blue, Navy, Mizuno, Runbird, Wave. At 2013 nationals, the girls fielded 2 17s teams, Mizuo and Runbird (typically the 6th and 7th teams) At 2013 nationals, the boys fielded 3 17s teams, headlined by D1/D2 players Ricky Gevis, Marko Kostich, and Jared Wilcox At 2014 nationals, the girls fielded 3 17s teams, Mizuo, Runbird and Wave At 2014 nationals, the boys fielded 2 17s teams, headlined by D1/D2 players Tischler, Burton, Yeo, Schwarz, and Dickman Between 2014 and 2015, Johnwick stepped down from director of the boy's program, and was replaced by Troy Gilb, who came from the girl's program. After Troy Gilb took over the program: At 2015 nationals, neither the boys or girls programs fielded 17s teams. At 2016 nationals, the girls fielded 1 17s team, called Wave, the boys fielded no 17s teams In 2017, the boys are fielding one 17s team (called Alpha, which is typically the 2nd team) (The 2017 girls season has not yet started) So, to get back to the snarky comments, ptyspiker14 , you don't recall correctly, as there have been multiple teams on both sides as recently as 2014, not 2006 or 2007 as you say. volleyba11 , you are also incorrect, as the girls had 1 17s team last year, and 3 in 2014 gbwparent , the statement that the best players 'always play up' is not true. The first year SPVB didn't try to field a strong 17s team was in 2015, when Bischoff, Kotsakis, Meyer, and Piekarski played 18s, right after Troy Gilb came over from the girl's program. Regarding recruiting, you are correct that the coaches know who the best players in the gym are. But there are a lot of boys that aren't the best player in the gym, and would like to play D3 or NAIA somewhere. When they get put on a lower 18s team, they are more likely to slip under the radar. Your facts need clarification. Joniak was director between Johnwick and Gilb. And he switched to no 17s. Do you need a list of 17s that have played up on 18-1 and 18-2 at SPVB since 1991. Since you are familiar with AES, look up the rosters back to 2007-2008. It shouldn't be that hard. I quickly found a few that were on 18 Mizuno for 2 years: Greg Petty, Michael Simmons, Jake Selsky, Gert Lisha, Zack Parik, Matt Nussbaum, etc. I don't understand what the problem is here. In high school, the varsity teams can be made up of Freshmen, Sophomore, Juniors, and Seniors. Right? In College, the teams are made up of the same. In club, the only tournaments in the entire club season that are single age divisions are Bid events and Nationals. All other tournaments are 15s/16s or 17s/18s. So the college coaches will see a mix of all age groups. Do you remember the time when USAV only had 18s, 16s, 14s, 12s. Probably not. Again if you are a top tier 17s prospect playing in the 18s, I would bet the college coaches know who you are already. If you are a D3 or NAIA caliber 17s playing on a 18s team, maybe you will get better playing with better players. And maybe the kids wanting to be seen by college coaches should be a little proactive in their recruiting process. I await your lengthy research on how I am wrong.
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