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Post by WahineFan44 on Nov 20, 2017 16:24:50 GMT -5
Rettkee will be FOY
Also Surprised you have Albrecht on HM. Shes averaging 3.13 KPS hitting .281 with 2.86 DPS as well. The B1G is loaded, but I would be really sad not to see her make first team
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2017 16:27:36 GMT -5
She plays six rotations BECAUSE SHE'S NOT A MIDDLE. Based solely on numbers, Rettke is first or second team AA. She is the MB that anyone, including PSU, MN, WA, Stanford, TX and FL, would be starting. Hard to see her not being Big FOY. More kills on far fewer attempts. Controls matches and is THE offensive option for this team, single-handedly carrying them through three rotations. Nice try, Shhhh, but SHHHHHHHH! Easy now, no need to get worked up about this. They are by far the two most talented Freshmen in the BIG with qualifying marks for both of them. Samedy has great numbers, but she has hit above .300 against only two of the top teams in the BIG. For a RS, that's good but not exceptional, even with her playing the BR. Michigan State - .407 Nebraska - .200 Wisconsin - .191 Purdue - .355 Wisconsin - .162 Purdue - .229 Rettke against the top competition in the BIG. Michigan State - .412 Nebraska - .250 Minnesota - .457 Michigan State - .227 Nebraska - .500 Minnesota - .647 Penn State - .378 Purdue - .364 Why are you comparing hitting percentages of a middle vs. an opposite as if they're supposed to be comparable?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2017 16:31:28 GMT -5
She plays six rotations BECAUSE SHE'S NOT A MIDDLE. Based solely on numbers, Rettke is first or second team AA. She is the MB that anyone, including PSU, MN, WA, Stanford, TX and FL, would be starting. Hard to see her not being Big FOY. More kills on far fewer attempts. Controls matches and is THE offensive option for this team, single-handedly carrying them through three rotations. Nice try, Shhhh, but SHHHHHHHH! I don't know the proper choice, but saying it's ok for Washington to be POY even though she doesn't play six rotations, but not Rettke as FOY because she doesn't play six rotations is inconsistent logic. If that's the bar, then POY and FOY can't be a middle, no matter how great. No no, that's not what I'm saying. I'm not saying that Rettke shouldn't be the FOY because she doesn't play six rotations. I think you know that I don't believe that. I'm saying that Samedy is impressive because she does, in an era of 15 subs per set, play six rotations and is making a significant impact for her team back there as a passer, a defender, and a server. Should those contributions and her impact there be ignored because she's being compared to a 3-rotation middle? And, didn't I include a whole list of things that speak to Samedy's case? Weird that you're only picking out the six-rotations thing, likely because you can't really refute any of the other points.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2017 16:31:51 GMT -5
I don't know the proper choice, but saying it's ok for Washington to be POY even though she doesn't play six rotations, but not Rettke as FOY because she doesn't play six rotations is inconsistent logic. If that's the bar, then POY and FOY can't be a middle, no matter how great. As long as the stats are there for the 6 rotation player, he or she should always get the award over a middle. This is really stupid.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2017 16:32:38 GMT -5
Rettkee will be FOY Also Surprised you have Albrecht on HM. Shes averaging 3.13 KPS hitting .281 with 2.86 DPS as well. The B1G is loaded, but I would be really sad not to see her make first team There's only one team. And I was just guessing.
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Post by vawbaw on Nov 20, 2017 16:35:41 GMT -5
I really dislike comparing players who play different positions and have different roles. It's like comparing Gentil and Gordon. Seems like all you end up doing is denigrating the contributions of one player to praise the other. For that matter, POY is a strange award anyhow. Samedy easily would have won the FOY award last season over Haggerty, but would Rettke have won it over her teammate if she played in 2016?
| Haggerty (2016) | Samedy | Rettke | Kills/Set | 3.19 | 4.07 | 3.46 | Efficiency | .235 | .310 | .433 | Blocks/Set | 0.43 | 0.73 | 1.37 | Digs/Set | 2.35 | 2.86 | 0.26 |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2017 16:36:13 GMT -5
I really dislike comparing players who play different positions and have different roles. It's like comparing Gentil and Gordon. Seems like all you end up doing is denigrating the contributions of one player to praise the other. I don't think I've done that. I think Rettke will end up being one of the greatest players in college volleyball history. I just don't think her freshman year has been better than Samedy's, though they've both been very impressive. They'll both be First-Team All-Americans.
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Post by WahineFan44 on Nov 20, 2017 16:38:51 GMT -5
Rettkee will be FOY Also Surprised you have Albrecht on HM. Shes averaging 3.13 KPS hitting .281 with 2.86 DPS as well. The B1G is loaded, but I would be really sad not to see her make first team There's only one team. And I was just guessing. I was just surprised because she has the stats and you have been one of her biggest fans this season.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2017 16:38:58 GMT -5
I was speaking generally. You HAVE to make the comparisons you are making for these awards. I'm just saying I don't think it's right.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2017 16:41:29 GMT -5
There's only one team. And I was just guessing. I was just surprised because she has the stats and you have been one of her biggest fans this season. I don't think she has the stats anymore.
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Post by urkillinmesmalls on Nov 20, 2017 17:34:40 GMT -5
Easy now, no need to get worked up about this. They are by far the two most talented Freshmen in the BIG with qualifying marks for both of them. Samedy has great numbers, but she has hit above .300 against only two of the top teams in the BIG. For a RS, that's good but not exceptional, even with her playing the BR. Michigan State - .407 Nebraska - .200 Wisconsin - .191 Purdue - .355 Wisconsin - .162 Purdue - .229 Rettke against the top competition in the BIG. Michigan State - .412 Nebraska - .250 Minnesota - .457 Michigan State - .227 Nebraska - .500 Minnesota - .647 Penn State - .378 Purdue - .364 Why are you comparing hitting percentages of a middle vs. an opposite as if they're supposed to be comparable? It doesn't have to be a direct comparison, but it does provide a picture for both players who have teams specifically game plan to defend them. It looks at them in relation to both their position and the norm for that position. Comparing them for Digs/S, Kills/S is tougher so I looked at what their numbers have been against great competition. Rettke has done it more often than Samedy. I'd be interested to know what each players numbers would look like taking out the NW, Ind, Rutgers, Maryland of the BIG. Don't know who would end up better, but I think that'd be a better barometer for each player.
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Post by azsker on Nov 20, 2017 18:00:07 GMT -5
Anyone think White or Skojdt will slide in there? Will it hurt Hughes since she missed last 3 weeks of season? Donnelly? Or would she be affected as well since her injury? Also, is Pittman eligible for Freshmen team since she is a RS? If so, I’d put Stivrins on that team.
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COY: John Cook, NEB POY: Haleigh Washington, PSU DPOY: Kendall White, PSU??? SOY: Kelly Hunter, NEB FOY: Stephanie Samedy, MINN
However, if you asked me who I want as my starters if I got to pick from everyone:
OH: Simone Lee, PSU OH: Mikaela Foecke, NEB MB: Haleigh Washington, PSU MB: Danielle Cuttino, PUR RS: Stephanie Samedy, MINN S: Jordyn Poulter, ILL L: Brandi Donnelly, ILL DS: Kendall White, PSU DS: Annika Albrecht, NEB (for Foecke)
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Post by Trojan on Nov 20, 2017 18:09:13 GMT -5
TBH, I'll be happy if Samedy or Rettke are FOY. Either players is a great because they each earned it.
In my personal bias, I'd go with Rettke because I feel like she's made more of an impact (I'm NOT disregarding Samedy's impact).
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Post by vballtruther2 on Nov 20, 2017 18:51:49 GMT -5
Washington is deserving of the POY award. Her numbers are great and her blocking has greatly approved. Setter of the year should be interesting. Hunter has been more consistent than SSS this year, imo. I wonder if Jordan could steal some votes though. Sameday is very impressive but hasn't been that consistent as of late or against better opponents and while she has a lot of digs/set, she's not the best passer...she pulls SSS all over the court.
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Post by rainbowbadger on Nov 20, 2017 19:21:16 GMT -5
I'm saying that Samedy is impressive because she does, in an era of 15 subs per set, play six rotations and is making a significant impact for her team back there as a passer, a defender, and a server. I do agree with this. To see a true freshman play six rotations at the level that Samedy has is rare. Very rare. I agree that it's a strong argument in her favor. It's the same argument that was made for Haggerty over Hart as FOY last year. It was an easier argument to make last year because both Haggerty & Hart are OHs, so you were comparing apples to apples. One played six rotations and the other did not. It's a harder argument to make this year because MB & Opp have different roles and different expectations. That said, Samedy is impressive. And she's only gonna keep getting better.
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