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Post by alt on Nov 20, 2017 20:13:13 GMT -5
It's my personal opinion that Samedy is the better player. She isn't 6'8", plays six rotations, is averaging nearly 3 digs per set, is averaging over 4 kills per set and hitting over .300, passes occasionally (or did), has really nice blocking numbers, and serves well. Rettke might be leading the conference in service errors. Her kill and block numbers are obviously really impressive, but I think Samedy is just the better player. She should've earned more FOW awards during the season than she did. Plus, I think Minnesota is having a much, much better season than Wisconsin is, despite starting younger, less experienced athletes. She plays six rotations BECAUSE SHE'S NOT A MIDDLE. Based solely on numbers, Rettke is first or second team AA. She is the MB that anyone, including PSU, MN, WA, Stanford, TX and FL, would be starting. Hard to see her not being Big FOY. More kills on far fewer attempts. Controls matches and is THE offensive option for this team, single-handedly carrying them through three rotations. Nice try, Shhhh, but SHHHHHHHH! She's a middle, and middles typically have few attempts and higher hitting percentage fyi
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Post by alt on Nov 20, 2017 20:19:54 GMT -5
I'll take a page from ay2013 's book and start the B1G thread. Crazy, because there are some athletes that won't be All-B1G, but might be All-Americans. I'll use the same totals per team that the conference used last year, but it's varied in the past. Here we go: Big Ones: | All-B1G (18): | HM (14): | All-Frosh (7): | POY: Washington | Washington | Robinson | Rettke | SOY: Hunter | Lee | Abbott | Hilley | DPOY: Washington? | Thelen | Lohman | Samedy | FOY: Samedy | Hunter | Hilley | Pittman | COY: Cook | Holman | Evans | Robinson |
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I would like to see Cooney make the freshman team. Pretty stabile hitter for Illiois
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Post by gnu2vball on Nov 20, 2017 21:05:03 GMT -5
Not a prediction, it's the B1G after all, but a deserved award. PSU's Detering and Weiskircher deserve to be the B1G Setters of the Year. After all, who has set their team at a .350+ hitting clip?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2017 23:23:27 GMT -5
Not a prediction, it's the B1G after all, but a deserved award. PSU's Detering and Weiskircher deserve to be the B1G Setters of the Year. After all, who has set their team at a .350+ hitting clip? I think Washington, Lee, Thelen, and Gorrell have more to do with that number than Detering and Weiskircher. They're effective and are doing their jobs, but I don't think they're doing anything mindblowing with the second contact. Poulter, SSS, Hunter, Minarick, Evans, Orr, Hughes, Tashima, Welsh, and Hilley might all be better than PSU's duo.
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Post by azsker on Nov 21, 2017 3:50:32 GMT -5
Not a prediction, it's the B1G after all, but a deserved award. PSU's Detering and Weiskircher deserve to be the B1G Setters of the Year. After all, who has set their team at a .350+ hitting clip? I don’t really think that’s possible? To set half of a match doesn’t really qualify you, nonetheless allow any statistical category to earn you the honor of SOY. Eye test doesn’t do much for Detering or Weiskircher. I mean, we’ve seen Weiskircher replaced as a setter in the past and Detering transferred in because she was being replaced at Florida. There are many setters in the B1G I would take over them. There are also 3 of the top setters in the country in the B1G (Poulter, SSS, Hunter) and all of their teams are successful. PSU has the strongest hitters. That’s what gets them to 0.350...hence, Lee and Washington are both battling for POY. Give those two any setter; that wouldn’t change.
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Post by durtpile on Nov 21, 2017 7:13:02 GMT -5
Anyone think White or Skojdt will slide in there? Will it hurt Hughes since she missed last 3 weeks of season? Donnelly? Or would she be affected as well since her injury? Also, is Pittman eligible for Freshmen team since she is a RS? If so, I’d put Stivrins on that team. IMO... COY: John Cook, NEB POY: Haleigh Washington, PSU DPOY: Kendall White, PSU??? SOY: Kelly Hunter, NEB FOY: Stephanie Samedy, MINN However, if you asked me who I want as my starters if I got to pick from everyone: OH: Simone Lee, PSU OH: Mikaela Foecke, NEB MB: Haleigh Washington, PSU MB: Danielle Cuttino, PUR RS: Stephanie Samedy, MINN S: Jordyn Poulter, ILL L: Brandi Donnelly, ILL DS: Kendall White, PSU DS: Annika Albrecht, NEB (for Foecke) Pretty good list. I would likely go with Rettke as FOY. Can't imagine the weasle record this year without her. Cook seems to be a no brainer. He has managed all the changes, and somehow is tied for 1st in conference. What really stands out, is that he has no real stars on the team. Foecke spent the first half of the season being a non-factor. Albrect, Holman, Stivrens, Sweet, and Maloney are great at times, but barely average in others. How he has managed to get the team where they are, is either blind luck - or great coaching.
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Post by SportyBucky on Nov 21, 2017 8:44:05 GMT -5
She plays six rotations BECAUSE SHE'S NOT A MIDDLE. Based solely on numbers, Rettke is first or second team AA. She is the MB that anyone, including PSU, MN, WA, Stanford, TX and FL, would be starting. Hard to see her not being Big FOY. More kills on far fewer attempts. Controls matches and is THE offensive option for this team, single-handedly carrying them through three rotations. Nice try, Shhhh, but SHHHHHHHH! She's a middle, and middles typically have few attempts and higher hitting percentage fyi Duh. Thanks for the heads up, but if we're comparing hitting percentages (apples to oranges), which wasn't my measure for FOY, then let's have at it. I'd suggest comparing against others at the position, impact as a freshman. Personally I'd also take into account the team around them, who's setting them, etc...
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Post by SportyBucky on Nov 21, 2017 8:44:58 GMT -5
Not a prediction, it's the B1G after all, but a deserved award. PSU's Detering and Weiskircher deserve to be the B1G Setters of the Year. After all, who has set their team at a .350+ hitting clip? There's not a snowball's chance in hell that either of them get a setting award.
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Post by SportyBucky on Nov 21, 2017 8:51:29 GMT -5
I'm saying that Samedy is impressive because she does, in an era of 15 subs per set, play six rotations and is making a significant impact for her team back there as a passer, a defender, and a server. I do agree with this. To see a true freshman play six rotations at the level that Samedy has is rare. Very rare. I agree that it's a strong argument in her favor. It's the same argument that was made for Haggerty over Hart as FOY last year. It was an easier argument to make last year because both Haggerty & Hart are OHs, so you were comparing apples to apples. One played six rotations and the other did not. It's a harder argument to make this year because MB & Opp have different roles and different expectations. That said, Samedy is impressive. And she's only gonna keep getting better. Well, six rotations was only one of the arguments made for Haggerty over Hart. The other was KPS.
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Post by rainbowbadger on Nov 21, 2017 9:05:45 GMT -5
I do agree with this. To see a true freshman play six rotations at the level that Samedy has is rare. Very rare. I agree that it's a strong argument in her favor. It's the same argument that was made for Haggerty over Hart as FOY last year. It was an easier argument to make last year because both Haggerty & Hart are OHs, so you were comparing apples to apples. One played six rotations and the other did not. It's a harder argument to make this year because MB & Opp have different roles and different expectations. That said, Samedy is impressive. And she's only gonna keep getting better. Well, six rotations was only one of the arguments made for Haggerty over Hart. The other was KPS. That's right - Haggerty had higher KPS and she played 6 rotations and was a primary passer. Again, MB and Opp have different roles/expectations, so it's a different argument this year. This week may prove decisive. Both Minnesota and Wisconsin play Rutgers & Penn State. It'll be interesting to see who does better.
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Post by semicoherent on Nov 21, 2017 9:23:15 GMT -5
In fourteen of the last fifteen years the B1G Defensive Player of the Year has gone to a libero, so the mindset of the coaches regarding that award is pretty clear. That is no doubt a mild injustice to middle blockers, but since back-row players get the short end of the straw when it comes to so many other awards, it doesn't bother me. Personally, I would like to see six-rotation outsides and setters get consideration for Defensive Player of the Year as well. Autumn Bailey contributes as a blocker in the front row and also leads Michigan State in digs, many of them of the spectacular variety. An All-Defensive team would be a good way to recognize that defense is a team effort. (Or defence in Bailey's case.)
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Post by vbfanantic on Nov 21, 2017 10:06:02 GMT -5
In fourteen of the last fifteen years the B1G Defensive Player of the Year has gone to a libero, so the mindset of the coaches regarding that award is pretty clear. That is no doubt a mild injustice to middle blockers, but since back-row players get the short end of the straw when it comes to so many other awards, it doesn't bother me. Personally, I would like to see six-rotation outsides and setters get consideration for Defensive Player of the Year as well. Autumn Bailey contributes as a blocker in the front row and also leads Michigan State in digs, many of them of the spectacular variety. An All-Defensive team would be a good way to recognize that defense is a team effort. (Or defence in Bailey's case.) If the defensive award went to a middle, with Bastanelli (spelling?) from Illinois have a shot? She is a darn good blocker.
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Post by rainbowbadger on Nov 21, 2017 10:12:02 GMT -5
In fourteen of the last fifteen years the B1G Defensive Player of the Year has gone to a libero, so the mindset of the coaches regarding that award is pretty clear. That is no doubt a mild injustice to middle blockers, but since back-row players get the short end of the straw when it comes to so many other awards, it doesn't bother me. Personally, I would like to see six-rotation outsides and setters get consideration for Defensive Player of the Year as well. Autumn Bailey contributes as a blocker in the front row and also leads Michigan State in digs, many of them of the spectacular variety. An All-Defensive team would be a good way to recognize that defense is a team effort. (Or defence in Bailey's case.) If the defensive award went to a middle, with Bastanelli (spelling?) from Illinois have a shot? She is a darn good blocker. Agree, but her numbers have fallen off in conference. I'm told she has a shoulder thing? Haleigh Washington leads the conference in blocks per set.
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Post by vbprisoner on Nov 21, 2017 10:24:05 GMT -5
Not a prediction, it's the B1G after all, but a deserved award. PSU's Detering and Weiskircher deserve to be the B1G Setters of the Year. After all, who has set their team at a .350+ hitting clip? LOL, not even close. Texas leads the Big Xll in hitting % by .044 (.319 - .275) and I would never give Shook the setter of the year award (and I am a Texas fan)! With SSS, Hunter, Poulter, Hughes, Minarack, and several others, the B1G has the deepest talent pool at setter in the country and there are just too many quality 6 rotation setters that are instrumental to their teams success. Hell, the first three mentioned are going to be 1st or 2nd team AA and two will not be awarded setter of the year for B1G. Detering and Weiskircher have been consistently good to great, but not playing 6 rotations is tough to win this award.
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Post by badgerbreath on Nov 21, 2017 10:32:48 GMT -5
What's the argument against Olsen for DPOY? She is way ahead in Digs/set, and almost any other dig stat I can generate.
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