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Post by rainbowbadger on Nov 21, 2017 10:35:33 GMT -5
What's the argument against Olsen for DPOY? She is way ahead in Digs/set, and almost any other dig stat I can generate. The only argument I could see against her is that Iowa hasn't done as well in conference. Typically you see the awards going to players on the top-tier teams. That said, I agree, she's head and shoulders above the others.
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Post by vbprisoner on Nov 21, 2017 10:43:16 GMT -5
I have seen Rettke and Samedy play 4 to 5 times each and both are impact players and deserving of the accolades they receive, but I believe Rettke has been the best Frosh in the nation this season and without her Wisconsin may have 4-5 more loses in B1G. She has been a beast in every game I have seen and the ones I have not her #s are still outstanding. Both will terrorize the B1G the next three years, but if there was a draft for the freshman class I would take Rettke first.
Regardless, both IMO are top 5 freshman in NCAAs and will be AA.
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Post by badgerbreath on Nov 21, 2017 11:02:39 GMT -5
What's the argument against Olsen for DPOY? She is way ahead in Digs/set, and almost any other dig stat I can generate. The only argument I could see against her is that Iowa hasn't done as well in conference. Typically you see the awards going to players on the top-tier teams. That said, I agree, she's head and shoulders above the others. Yeah, but the difference in floor defense at Iowa is really noticeable this year, and I think is probably responsible for them having a good chance at getting into the NCAA tournament for the first time in forever. Olsen is far and away their best defender statwise. She is responsible for 34% of their digs in conference - a higher proportion than any other libero in conference. In fact, only Lerg is close at 32%. She digs 16% of non-error attacks, which is also well ahead of anybody else in conference (Lerg 14.4, White at 14.3, Clark 13.6). I don't watch her enough to judge her passing.
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Post by Hawk Attack on Nov 21, 2017 11:05:32 GMT -5
The only argument I could see against her is that Iowa hasn't done as well in conference. Typically you see the awards going to players on the top-tier teams. That said, I agree, she's head and shoulders above the others. Yeah, but the difference in floor defense at Iowa is really noticeable this year, and I think is probably responsible for them having a good chance at getting into the NCAA tournament for the first time in forever. Olsen is far and away their best defender statwise. She is responsible for 34% of their digs in conference - a higher proportion than any other libero in conference. In fact, only Lerg is close at 32%. She digs 16% of non-error attacks, which is also well ahead of anybody else in conference (Lerg 14.4, White at 14.3, Clark 13.6). I don't watch her enough to judge her passing. There are quite a few passers better than Olsen. Her strength is definitely defense, where she was easily the best on the floor in the majority of Iowa’s matches this season.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2017 11:28:40 GMT -5
What's the argument against Olsen for DPOY? She is way ahead in Digs/set, and almost any other dig stat I can generate. How many digging opportunities are the top bros getting per set, and, of those opportunities, how many balls are actually getting dug? How often is their team scoring off their digs? Is the team regularly able to get a good swing following their dig? How many of their digs are actually digs from attacks vs. coverage? These would be interesting stats. Digs per set, not so much. Iowa is a poor blocking team, a really poor serving team, and doesn't have the firepower to sideout/transition at a high rate so they get into rallies more often than not. Not surprising that an athlete from one of the bottom tier teams is leading the conference in digs.
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Post by Hawk Attack on Nov 21, 2017 11:39:58 GMT -5
What's the argument against Olsen for DPOY? She is way ahead in Digs/set, and almost any other dig stat I can generate. How many digging opportunities are the top bros getting per set, and, of those opportunities, how many balls are actually getting dug? How often is their team scoring off their digs? Is the team regularly able to get a good swing following their dig? How many of their digs are actually digs from attacks vs. coverage? These would be interesting stats. Digs per set, not so much. Iowa is a poor blocking team, a really poor serving team, and doesn't have the firepower to sideout/transition at a high rate so they get into rallies more often than not. Not surprising that an athlete from one of the bottom tier teams is leading the conference in digs. Donnelly led the B1G in digs/set last season when Illinois was the best blocking team. I don’t think your questions don’t warrant merit, but I don’t really think they should factor in any discussion on DPOY. Olsen, just based on pure defensive talent, should be in the discussion. And I her name will be tossed out there (I’m guessing she’ll get an HM All-Big, like you predicted) but she won’t get it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2017 21:40:40 GMT -5
How many digging opportunities are the top bros getting per set, and, of those opportunities, how many balls are actually getting dug? How often is their team scoring off their digs? Is the team regularly able to get a good swing following their dig? How many of their digs are actually digs from attacks vs. coverage? These would be interesting stats. Digs per set, not so much. Iowa is a poor blocking team, a really poor serving team, and doesn't have the firepower to sideout/transition at a high rate so they get into rallies more often than not. Not surprising that an athlete from one of the bottom tier teams is leading the conference in digs. Donnelly led the B1G in digs/set last season when Illinois was the best blocking team. I don’t think your questions don’t warrant merit, but I don’t really think they should factor in any discussion on DPOY. Olsen, just based on pure defensive talent, should be in the discussion. And I her name will be tossed out there (I’m guessing she’ll get an HM All-Big, like you predicted) but she won’t get it. My point was that there are way better metrics available (not to fans, obviously) to evaluate who is and who isn't a good defensive player OTHER than digs per set. I think there are several factors that can skew digs per set toward someone that really isn't that great of a defender or away from someone that really is a great defender, which is why the national leaders in digs per set every season are almost never All-America candidates. I'm an Olsen fan. I was defending her honor several times this season after DPOW awards went to athletes with less impressive boxscores. Also, from what I understand, the coaches aren't looking at stats when they're voting for postseason awards. They know these athletes and know who is actually good and who isn't. (And about Illinois, Donnelly had a really nice season, but Illinois wasn't a strong sideout team and ended up in rallies because of their inefficient attacking/poor passing. However, I remember them serving well, which would also get them into rallies/transition opportunities more often, resulting in more digs.)
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Post by Hawk Attack on Nov 21, 2017 21:58:49 GMT -5
Donnelly led the B1G in digs/set last season when Illinois was the best blocking team. I don’t think your questions don’t warrant merit, but I don’t really think they should factor in any discussion on DPOY. Olsen, just based on pure defensive talent, should be in the discussion. And I her name will be tossed out there (I’m guessing she’ll get an HM All-Big, like you predicted) but she won’t get it. My point was that there are way better metrics available (not to fans, obviously) to evaluate who is and who isn't a good defensive player OTHER than digs per set. I think there are several factors that can skew digs per set toward someone that really isn't that great of a defender or away from someone that really is a great defender, which is why the national leaders in digs per set every season are almost never All-America candidates. I'm an Olsen fan. I was defending her honor several times this season after DPOW awards went to athletes with less impressive boxscores. Also, from what I understand, the coaches aren't looking at stats when they're voting for postseason awards. They know these athletes and know who is actually good and who isn't. (And about Illinois, Donnelly had a really nice season, but Illinois wasn't a strong sideout team and ended up in rallies because of their inefficient attacking/poor passing. However, I remember them serving well, which would also get them into rallies/transition opportunities more often, resulting in more digs.) Sorry, I agree with you I should’ve made that clearer, digs per set is not a good indicator of who the best defensive players in the conference are (at least not in a rank and file 1-2-3 system). Honestly, the best measure for a libero is the eye test. Do they read well, do they make incredible saves no one else is capable of making, do they control and cushion hard contacts, etc.
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Post by azsker on Nov 26, 2017 23:30:40 GMT -5
Do these come out tomorrow or Tuesday?
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