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Post by veritas on Nov 26, 2017 19:39:18 GMT -5
A quick view into the ethics of this man would be that when he was "banned" for life, he would sit in the parent section and coach the players from there. Sure is a rule follower.
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Post by BuckysHeat on Nov 26, 2017 19:44:26 GMT -5
Alright fine, then you think it’s strange and explained your reasons why, and I don’t think it’s strange and explained my reasons why. I don’t considerably appreciate the personal attack but that’s fine too. Do you not find it odd that a student graduates early from H.S. and instead of enrolling early in the college of her choice (which is not that much farther away from her home) she chooses to move in with her club coach and train? What is the benefit of that? Why not get a jump start on your college education and get a start learning the college system? It might have helped her earn a starting spot this year instead of sitting on the bench. Why don't you ask her parents here, they are on vtalk. Or you could go on supposing what you think with no actual facts to back anything up.
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Post by veritas on Nov 26, 2017 19:45:47 GMT -5
Some parents would absolutely sell their soul so that their child can get a scholarship. "Oh that was in the past, and may not even be true.," is enough for some.
Even thought the FACTS prove otherwise.
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Post by BuckysHeat on Nov 26, 2017 19:50:32 GMT -5
TruthandJustice was the name. Got it wrong the first time, sorry. Just say it was your old account, you two basically have the same exact avatar. This was the reason why you were banned last time volleytalk.proboards.com/post/1475144/thread
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Post by veritas on Nov 26, 2017 19:55:14 GMT -5
TruthandJustice was the name. Got it wrong the first time, sorry. Just say it was your old account, you two basically have the same exact avatar. This was the reason why you were banned last time volleytalk.net/post/1475144/threadFull disclosure.... he is a friend of mine, BUT not the same.
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Post by veritas on Nov 26, 2017 19:56:09 GMT -5
TruthandJustice was the name. Got it wrong the first time, sorry. Just say it was your old account, you two basically have the same exact avatar. This was the reason why you were banned last time volleytalk.net/post/1475144/threadAlso, the thread won't load for me.... what was the reason?
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Post by veritas on Nov 26, 2017 19:59:49 GMT -5
Ah yes, I believe it was bringing up John Cook in another thread because John was still working with Butler at the time of the post.
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Post by BuckysHeat on Nov 26, 2017 20:22:28 GMT -5
Also, the thread won't load for me.... what was the reason? because volleytalk is stupid about copying and pasting of links and has not fixed it. You have to add the proboards.com into the .net space
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Post by ilalum92 on Nov 26, 2017 21:08:42 GMT -5
Do you not find it odd that a student graduates early from H.S. and instead of enrolling early in the college of her choice (which is not that much farther away from her home) she chooses to move in with her club coach and train? What is the benefit of that? Why not get a jump start on your college education and get a start learning the college system? It might have helped her earn a starting spot this year instead of sitting on the bench. Why don't you ask her parents here, they are on vtalk. Or you could go on supposing what you think with no actual facts to back anything up. I questioned the choice as it seems odd... I didn't accuse anyone of anything. As a parent, would you allow your daughter to do the same?
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Post by why on Nov 26, 2017 21:13:45 GMT -5
Also, the thread won't load for me.... what was the reason? "http://volleytalk.proboards.com/thread/64745/another-alleged-abuse-rick-butler?page=6" Remove quotes
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Post by moderndaycoach on Nov 27, 2017 13:56:18 GMT -5
I am starting to get friends and colleagues from all over the country sending me the Sun Times link asking if I knew about this, the shock in their reactions when I have to tell them that I have unfortunately known about this for almost two decades with very little changing to his status is very similar to those reading all this for the first time.
I said about a year ago when all these creeps were getting outed in every line of work that it would not be long before more of his victims came out of hiding.
I wish the Sun Times would have waited until today or tomorrow to run the series where people would not be gone from vacation or city sidewalks not as full where normal commuters and workers would see his face on every news stand.
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Post by bayarea on Nov 27, 2017 14:17:35 GMT -5
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ikamtm
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Post by ikamtm on Nov 27, 2017 14:42:25 GMT -5
"http://volleytalk.net/thread/64745/another-alleged-abuse-rick-butler?page=6" Remove quotes You have to substitute proboards.com for net: "http://volleytalk.net/thread/64745/another-alleged-abuse-rick-butler?page=6"" I fail to find anything egregious that resulted in the banning...went back several pages. Unfortunately you are correct. I've said it a few times now. In 1995, RB was banned for life from coaching Jr. Girls by USA Volleyball, that ban has never been altered or lifted. In 2010, he formed JVA and then affiliated his club with AAU so he would still have a National Championship to collect awards from. The ban by USA did little to keep him from coaching. Now it's up to AAU and JVA. I don't see the organization he formed banning him, but you never know. AAU will also not ban him because of the amount of teams he's brought to them. So sad that it all comes down to $$$$.
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ikamtm
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Post by ikamtm on Nov 27, 2017 14:49:49 GMT -5
What are these supporters failing to figure out? Just because it did not happen to their son or daughter does not mean the abuse did not take place. My lord, how can people say they don't believe it? 5 women have come forward now and there most likely are others who will not speak up simply because they don't want to be attacked or they don't want to be called liars or they know as in the past, nothing will happen. I'm sorry, you simply cannot read everything in these articles and come to the conclusion this never happened. It would be more believable if these parents would say, I believe they were abused, but I know for sure he never touched my daughter. Even that is better than saying you read all of this and still believe nothing happened. Wake up for God's sake. Butler is not the only man who has had multiple women make such charges, but still has enormous backing from a loyal group of supporters. Fail to see what other men have to do with the Suntimes Story. The fact that other men have had multiple women make such claims has nothing to do with the claims against Butler. My point is exactly what you stated. So because there are other men the charges and claims against Butler didn't happen? The fact that he has enormous backing from a loyal group of supporters also does not mean none of this happened.
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Post by tomclen on Nov 27, 2017 15:09:22 GMT -5
Butler is not the only man who has had multiple women make such charges, but still has enormous backing from a loyal group of supporters. (ikamtm said)Fail to see what other men have to do with the Suntimes Story. The fact that other men have had multiple women make such claims has nothing to do with the claims against Butler. My point is exactly what you stated. So because there are other men the charges and claims against Butler didn't happen? The fact that he has enormous backing from a loyal group of supporters also does not mean none of this happened. I'm afraid you've failed to see the point of my post (and failed to properly use the quote function, so I'll put your reply in bold). I'm merely pointing out that people with significant power are often able to survive the claims of abuse victims. And often the abuse victims, themselves, end up being scorned further. The Butler case seems a perfect example of that. As does the cases, for example, of Bill Clinton and Donald Trump. I thank you for helping to keep this story on page 1.
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