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Post by Wolfgang on Feb 15, 2018 14:03:45 GMT -5
Time-honored strategy to destroy the credibility of witnesses.
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Post by karellen on Feb 15, 2018 14:09:07 GMT -5
And,, IF she knew what was happening, or had suspicions and did nothing, why was she never punished for not protecting these girls. We need to do a better job at focusing blame properly. Butler was the offender, not Rogness. She shouldn't have to answer for his sins or be treated as an accomplice to his crimes. IF she knew, or had suspicions, and did nothing she is absolutely guilty. I am NOT putting her on the same level, and I do not know what she did or did not know, but how does some potion of this not fall on her? I did here stories that at the time of the original allegations she was corroborating the stories of the three players by telling people she knew it was going on. Again, she never said it to me, so I have no idea what she did or did not know.
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Post by azvb on Feb 15, 2018 14:16:41 GMT -5
Time-honored strategy to destroy the credibility of witnesses. What is?
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Post by Wolfgang on Feb 15, 2018 14:17:33 GMT -5
Time-honored strategy to destroy the credibility of witnesses. What is? Destroying the credibility of witnesses.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 14:26:06 GMT -5
We need to do a better job at focusing blame properly. Butler was the offender, not Rogness. She shouldn't have to answer for his sins or be treated as an accomplice to his crimes. IF she knew, or had suspicions, and did nothing she is absolutely guilty. I am NOT putting her on the same level, and I do not know what she did or did not know, but how does some potion of this not fall on her? I did here stories that at the time of the original allegations she was corroborating the stories of the three players by telling people she knew it was going on. Again, she never said it to me, so I have no idea what she did or did not know. Exactly.
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Post by azvb on Feb 15, 2018 14:27:09 GMT -5
Destroying the credibility of witnesses. You mean Kay? She’s the one saying she knew it was going on. My question is why didn’t she do something about it, not that she’s lying about it. Hindsight is 20/20.
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Post by azvb on Feb 15, 2018 14:28:41 GMT -5
IF she knew, or had suspicions, and did nothing she is absolutely guilty. I am NOT putting her on the same level, and I do not know what she did or did not know, but how does some potion of this not fall on her? I did here stories that at the time of the original allegations she was corroborating the stories of the three players by telling people she knew it was going on. Again, she never said it to me, so I have no idea what she did or did not know. Exactly. Wait, didn’t you just say this: We need to do a better job at focusing blame properly. Butler was the offender, not Rogness. She shouldn't have to answer for his sins or be treated as an accomplice to his crimes. Read more: volleytalk.proboards.com/thread/71586/chicago-sun-times-investigation-butler?page=80#ixzz57CskK2Ue
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Post by Wolfgang on Feb 15, 2018 14:30:16 GMT -5
Also all the accusers.
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Post by azvb on Feb 15, 2018 14:35:39 GMT -5
I think it’s a legitimate question, Wolf. Don’t get me wrong, 100% of the blame is on RB.
If her answer is, “I ignored it, hoped it wasn’t true, and for that I’m sorry”, then so be it. I was just wondering if she had ever addressed her reasons.
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Post by Phaedrus on Feb 15, 2018 14:36:11 GMT -5
Destroying the credibility of witnesses. I'm glad you said it. This is the: yes but.... defense. A head fake. Take attention away from the topic at hand and focus it on the accusers. Not exactly victim shaming but along the same line. Not saying that the topic of KR is forbidden, but it is a pretty transparent attempt at cooling off the heat. At least KR has admitted her role, something that RB has not nor has he apologized.
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Post by azvb on Feb 15, 2018 14:40:46 GMT -5
Destroying the credibility of witnesses. I'm glad you said it. This is the: yes but.... defense. A head fake. Take attention away from the topic at hand and focus it on the accusers. Not exactly victim shaming but along the same line. Not saying that the topic of KR is forbidden, but it is a pretty transparent attempt at cooling off the heat. At least KR has admitted her role, something that RB has not nor has he apologized. Certainly didn’t mean to deflect blame. And I have no reason at all to take the heat off RB or defend him. I didn’t realize Kay had ever apologized.
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Post by VBCOACH on Feb 15, 2018 14:47:55 GMT -5
BTW, has Kay ever said why she didn’t step up to plate those years ago when she suspected something was going on? Rick is total scum, but Kay rubs me the wrong way. If my memory serves, The girls didn't want Kay to do anything: No publicity, no police.
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Post by azvb on Feb 15, 2018 15:15:06 GMT -5
I apologize if I was deflecting blame away from RB or discredited the victims at all. Certainly not my intention.
I guess I’ll just wait for the Dateline episode on this tragedy. They usually interview all of the “players” in their reports.
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Post by moderndaycoach on Feb 16, 2018 8:44:10 GMT -5
So does cheryl do the horse and pony show this weekend trying to talk to everyone and either feel out the room or try to make it seem like everything is ok?
I can see tomorrow either being business as usual or getting real hostile and awkward quickly if rick is walking around like normal.
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Post by moderndaycoach on Feb 16, 2018 8:56:56 GMT -5
Also JVA posted this about an hour ago on facebook; "There have been some questions circulated this past week about the JVA. We would like to share a clear picture of who we are, what we are and why we are. We give credit to our member clubs who are truly the driving force behind the JVA. Here's a look at the faces of the JVA and why our organization is important for the growth of our sport. www.jvaonline.org/blog/jva-office-what-is-your-why " What you are is an organization that literally harbored a man accused of multiple child rapes with no action until you were left with literally no other choice other than absolute scrutiny. You are in fact good for volleyball but unfortunately most people outside of the midwest do not see the allure to join yet and now you have the mounting association with probably the least popular person in juniors volleyball. I clicked on it expecting to see a video of Jenny addressing the elephant in the room and promoting this weekends events and giving numbers for the size of the tourneys they were hosting, or their projected growth or plans going forward. This is a nothing post with just some stats that you would have found on their website otherwise, kind of disappointing how they are handling this situation when they all still have jobs to do and paychecks to collect for their lives/families whether they include rick in their future plans or not.
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