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Post by sunger4222 on Dec 16, 2017 15:58:36 GMT -5
If it is an age issue, USC is sunk. They will need to pay him off.
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Post by tomclen on Dec 16, 2017 15:58:40 GMT -5
From a timing standpoint this is a huge PR disaster and a giant F-U to the AVCA Convention and the Finals.
Based on the quotes from Haley in the VBMag article, it's clear there were problems. But, even if you can't figure out a way to fix whatever problems there are between a coach and people in the AD department, (which a good AD should be able to resolve), then you at least have the decency to NOT announce this hours before the championship match. That is just inexcusable.
If this is the type of management and leadership USC is getting from their so called Athletic Director, then I feel very sorry for every person who works in or is associated with that department.
This is a shameful way to handle the departure of any employee, much less an extremely successful head coach.
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Dec 16, 2017 15:59:27 GMT -5
Could be a 'surprise' hiring 3 lb names might surface Brent hilliard Tyler hildebrand And Misty May It's USC. If it is a "surprise" hire who is not a current successful head coach, then they screwed up and miscalculated. They are looking a whole lot higher than those three. Oh please with the 'a lot higher' mantra They want a younger coach...you just have to look at the bcs coaching carousal to know hirinf a 'hot name' backfires often Just hire a good coach, it s usc they attract good recruits without needing some 'hot name' I am wondering if tom black might be wishing he had waited one more year
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Post by jasonr on Dec 16, 2017 16:00:11 GMT -5
One of the best coaches in the country happens to lead a program in the city that Swann once called home. I was thinking about Fisher too.
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Dec 16, 2017 16:00:49 GMT -5
The question isn't whether this is a great job, but whether there's a really good viable candidate. USC likes to hire within the family, but can't think of any coaches with SC ties who are up to it (Weishoff and who else?). Have a hard time believing that they will land one of the established head coaches--McCutcheon, Elliott, Cook, and would be shocked if they consider Karch. Karch has been on USC's radar as a potential replacement for a few years now. Whether anything comes of it is a different story. I wouldn't be surprised in the least if USC strikes out with a couple of big names and end up promoting Jason Kennedy.
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Post by Frank Costanza on Dec 16, 2017 16:01:26 GMT -5
One of the best coaches in the country happens to lead a program in the city that Swann once called home. I was thinking about Fisher too. I don’t think USC will match what he’s making at Pitt.
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Dec 16, 2017 16:02:01 GMT -5
From a timing standpoint this is a huge PR disaster and a giant F-U to the AVCA Convention and the Finals. Based on the quotes from Haley in the VBMag article, it's clear there were problems. But, even if you can't figure out a way to fix whatever problems there are between a coach and people in the AD department, (which a good AD should be able to resolve), then you at least have the decency to NOT announce this hours before the championship match. That is just inexcusable. If this is the type of management and leadership USC is getting from their so called Athletic Director, then I feel very sorry for every person who works in or is associated with that department. This is a shameful way to handle the departure of any employee, much less an extremely successful head coach. Mick mentioned problems, but he naturally didn't mention the problems he caused.
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Post by jasonr on Dec 16, 2017 16:04:47 GMT -5
I was thinking about Fisher too. I don’t think USC will match what he’s making at Pitt. I can see that, especially if factoring in COLA. However, I think if they can offer a "ballpark" figure, they could lure some good young coaches. For a coach that cares about their legacy, USC is a great gig since the recruiting ground is so fertile.
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Post by vballtruther2 on Dec 16, 2017 16:04:51 GMT -5
Thanks for the years of hard work and dedication, Mick! At 74, this is probably a good time to retire. I'm not sure if anyone is surprised. Misty would be a great hire, but I don't think she wants it. She's LBC through and through and I can only see her leaving City College for Long Beach State. Tyler Hildebrand, perhaps....? I think Tyler is a great young coach, but handing him the USC job after just one year as AC in the women's game? It'd be a risky hire. That said, I do think he'll eventually be a fantastic head coach. I agree, but he was at Long Beach for 5 years before Nebraska. So he has experience, not as much in the women's game. But it's clear he's taking the lead with this Nebraska team. Cook could be taking a nap most matches.
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Dec 16, 2017 16:05:13 GMT -5
Regarding the age factor cmon people give usc some slack regardless of how poor the announcement came out
Seriously some of you expect an ad to commit to having a 78 year old coach in 4 years?
I mean can an entity not factor that in?
Would it be any different if he was 84? If you think so then arent you then still discriminating because if age
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Post by dd2000 on Dec 16, 2017 16:06:53 GMT -5
Thanks for the years of hard work and dedication, Mick! At 74, this is probably a good time to retire. I'm not sure if anyone is surprised. Misty would be a great hire, but I don't think she wants it. She's LBC through and through and I can only see her leaving City College for Long Beach State. Tyler Hildebrand, perhaps....? I know May is LBS through and through, but this would be a fantastic opportunity. I'm sure Walsh is Stanford through and through, but boy would it be news and total excitement if the two of them tackled this together. I'd love to see!
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Post by dd2000 on Dec 16, 2017 16:08:23 GMT -5
From a timing standpoint this is a huge PR disaster and a giant F-U to the AVCA Convention and the Finals. Based on the quotes from Haley in the VBMag article, it's clear there were problems. But, even if you can't figure out a way to fix whatever problems there are between a coach and people in the AD department, (which a good AD should be able to resolve), then you at least have the decency to NOT announce this hours before the championship match. That is just inexcusable. If this is the type of management and leadership USC is getting from their so called Athletic Director, then I feel very sorry for every person who works in or is associated with that department. This is a shameful way to handle the departure of any employee, much less an extremely successful head coach. And I would think this would have an impact on any decision of any prospective new HC.
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Post by Babar on Dec 16, 2017 16:08:45 GMT -5
I think Tyler is a great young coach, but handing him the USC job after just one year as AC in the women's game? It'd be a risky hire. That said, I do think he'll eventually be a fantastic head coach. I agree, but he was at Long Beach for 5 years before Nebraska. So he has experience, not as much in the women's game. But it's clear he's taking the lead with this Nebraska team. Cook could be taking a nap most matches. I think that last sentence pretty much disqualifies you as someone who has any insight into collegiate coaching.
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Post by jasonr on Dec 16, 2017 16:08:55 GMT -5
I think Tyler is a great young coach, but handing him the USC job after just one year as AC in the women's game? It'd be a risky hire. That said, I do think he'll eventually be a fantastic head coach. I agree, but he was at Long Beach for 5 years before Nebraska. So he has experience, not as much in the women's game. But it's clear he's taking the lead with this Nebraska team. Cook could be taking a nap most matches. That's not true. Cook is very heavy-handed in coaching the team, but he lets his ACs get in-game leadership experience because he believes in training them to be head coaches. He let Tamas and DBK lead in-game huddles as well. He knows that to attract the best ACs, is to attract coaches who habe big coaching aspirations, so he helps get them there.
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Post by akbar on Dec 16, 2017 16:09:32 GMT -5
Wow. Shocking. I don't like the tone of that press release. I hope this was totally Haley's decision. The guy came just one or two lucky bounces from taking his team to the Finals. Read the vbmag article in another thread. Not his decision at all, and an age discrimination lawsuit was in the works even before this. His contract was up and he was told it wouldn't be renewed. The timing was such that he wasn't able to be the one to tell his players. It would be my guess they all knew. It would also br my guess rumbles from players and parents got to the ADs office last spring and early this year.
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