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Post by sevb on Feb 27, 2018 20:19:47 GMT -5
TAV for sure. 1st Alliance also if there were two. There were two up for grabs in 18 open. For some reason AES has not finished, they may not have needed the 3rd place or 5th pace matches since neither TAV nor 1st alliance had previously qualified so the final standings may be stuck in limbo. 18 Open R4ChampIn 18 USA there were three bids which went to IL HPSTL 18 Elite, Mintonette m.81 and TAV 18 Blue. Coming up this weekend for qualifiers are SCVA (3 bids); also are Golden State Q (3 bids) and Mizuno Boston Volleyball Festival (2 bids). Schedules for GSQ and Boston are not up yet but they will be at: BostonGolden State(Hopefully.....) Boston is Sportswrench, GSQ is Tm2Sign SCVA Team lists are not up for either Boston (teams competing last year include NEb Elite, Excel, Triangle, ECJ, OTVA, EC Power and Dynasty) or GSQ (Encore, Exceleration, Absolute for sure); A4 has the top seed at SCVA followed by Coast, Momentous, SG Elite, Forza and Laguna Beach. Top 30 prepvb teams in action: SCVA: SG Elite, A4, TStreet, Laguna Beach, Coast GSQ: Absolute Boston: Triangle Non-qualifier tourney this weekend is the Showcase in Wisconsin Dells. Teams in play include SPVB 18 Elite, Minn Select, and Illini Elite 18. This is still a 3 day tourney but could easily be cut down to 2 days. Eliminate the power pools, have 12 lambs to the slaughters pools and then play gold, silver, bronze, copper pools on the second day based exclusively on first day pool finish. Tour of Texas final stop is going on in Houston for the final 24 qualified teams. Top seed in the gold bracket is Tx Tornados followed in order by TAV 18 Black, SA Magic and Asics Willowbrook. Tornados and TAV have already qualified in 18 Open. Boston will be live tomorrow pm
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Post by boh on Feb 28, 2018 13:12:25 GMT -5
Non-qualifier tourney this weekend is the Showcase in Wisconsin Dells. Teams in play include SPVB 18 Elite, Minn Select, and Illini Elite 18. This is still a 3 day tourney but could easily be cut down to 2 days. Eliminate the power pools, have 12 lambs to the slaughters pools and then play gold, silver, bronze, copper pools on the second day based exclusively on first day pool finish. I kind of like the set-up. For teams in the power pool you get good competition all 3 days, even if you do play a team more than once. For most teams outside the power pool you get good competition for at least 2 days (ish). For the top few seeds that could have made the power pool but didn't, then it might be a bit of a wasted first and second day if you easily go 6-0. Then if they lose to a power pool team first thing Sunday morning, you might not have gotten many competitive matches in, if any. This year I think it would have made the most sense to only have one power pool (for 18s)...Put Illini Elite, SPVB Elite, and Mn Select, along with maybe Fusion 18 black or SPVB Kahl (probably Fusion just to keep different clubs in the power pool) and the rest in the regular pools. I don't see any of the rest of the teams, even the other teams in the power pools, that much differently than the top seeds in regular pools. You have Fusion 18 red for example in the power pool, but they are in the bottom half of GLPL Super Open....a 2's team with Mn-Select and Kahl. Should still be some great matches in the power pools, but don't think they need 2 of them.
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Post by BuckysHeat on Feb 28, 2018 13:30:40 GMT -5
This year I think it would have made the most sense to only have one power pool (for 18s)...Put Illini Elite, SPVB Elite, and Mn Select, along with maybe Fusion 18 black or SPVB Kahl (probably Fusion just to keep different clubs in the power pool) and the rest in the regular pools. I don't see any of the rest of the teams, even the other teams in the power pools, that much differently than the top seeds in regular pools. You have Fusion 18 red for example in the power pool, but they are in the bottom half of GLPL Super Open....a 2's team with Mn-Select and Kahl. Should still be some great matches in the power pools, but don't think they need 2 of them. That was what I was thinking as well, there are 49 teams registered, have a PP of 5 - SPVB 18E, Mn Select, Fusion Black, Illini Elite and either Kokoro or Six Pack. That way you have 11 4 team brackets outside of the PP. Sting 18 Gold dropped out as did CIA 18 Black, you have a large number of "local" teams who are fodder. Capital did not return this year, M1 is done (at least this year in 18's), no Nebraska teams anymore. And good luck to you this weekend by the way. Hope your team does well.
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Post by ned3vball on Feb 28, 2018 15:08:03 GMT -5
Good idea by USAV to expand the 18s qualifier schedule so places like Boston have one. I am looking forward to our yearly chance to see real 18s Open volleyball. I was a little disappointed last year with how few locals took advantage of the chance to see this level of play and what the region should be aspiring to. Hopefully this year more people will check it out.
TAV 18 Blue already has a USA bid so might as well try for open. How often does it happen that a club qualifies two teams for Open?
In looking at the Open division list I am surprised the organizers are really letting some of these NE teams enter this division. There will be a couple uncomfortably lopsided matches. The only NE club that can play a real set with these teams is SMASH.
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Post by stevehorn on Feb 28, 2018 17:46:46 GMT -5
Team list for Boston: sportwrench.com/#/public/events/18013Notable Open teams: AVC Clev Rox 18N Boomers 18 Black Eric Legacy 18-Elite MiElite 18 Mizuno NKYVC 18 1 TSUNAMI OT 18 T. Aaron TAV 18 Blue Top Select 18 Elite Blake Triangle 18 Black Tribe 18 Elite Sebastian WVA 18 Black I thought TAV 18 Black was the open team.
That is usually the case when both teams are playing in the same qualifier. Since 18 Blue has already qualified for USA and Black isn't playing in this qualifier, I suspect they are playing in the Open division for the competition and chance to win an Open bid.
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Post by blackiechan1999 on Feb 28, 2018 19:51:26 GMT -5
I thought TAV 18 Black was the open team.
That is usually the case when both teams are playing in the same qualifier. Since 18 Blue has already qualified for USA and Black isn't playing in this qualifier, I suspect they are playing in the Open division for the competition and chance to win an Open bid.
oh ok
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Post by n00b on Feb 28, 2018 21:26:15 GMT -5
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Post by BuckysHeat on Feb 28, 2018 22:39:29 GMT -5
Odd, Encore has this qualifier listed on their 18 Navy teams calendar but are not listed in any of the 3 divisions
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Post by BuckysHeat on Mar 4, 2018 19:42:38 GMT -5
Severe storms on both coasts ended up not disrupting the Boston and SCVA qualifiers. Boston and New England had to deal with 90+mph wind gusts, up to 3" of snow and over 5" of rain. Central NY picked up over 3 feet of snow. Reno and the nearby vicinity picked up 3 feet of snow and a 146mph wind gust was recorded.
But still the games went on
In Boston, OT 18 T. Aaron beat Legacy in the final to take one bid, Top Select finishes 3rd to get the other. At SCVA A4 beat Coast in the final while SG Elite beat Miz LB to take third. Since SG Elite had already qualified in Texas, Miz LB takes the third bid. Absolute and Vision take the bids at the Golden State Qualifier
At Showcase SPVB 18E won the 18's division
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Post by ned3vball on Mar 5, 2018 1:56:09 GMT -5
Severe storms on both coasts ended up not disrupting the Boston and SCVA qualifiers. Boston and New England had to deal with 90+mph wind gusts, up to 3" of snow and over 5" of rain. Central NY picked up over 3 feet of snow. Reno and the nearby vicinity picked up 3 feet of snow and a 146mph wind gust was recorded. But still the games went on In Boston, OT 18 T. Aaron beat Legacy in the final to take one bid, Top Select finishes 3rd to get the other. At SCVA A4 beat Coast in the final while SG Elite beat Miz LB to take third. Since SG Elite had already qualified in Texas, Miz LB takes the third bid. Absolute and Vision take the bids at the Golden State Qualifier At Showcase SPVB 18E won the 18's division Luckily in the Boston area it was only rain, and most people got in Thursday before the heavy stuff hit Friday. Organizers reported only 1 event hotel had storm problems. My wife works a block from the convention center and they sent everybody home at lunch time on Friday. Two years in a row bad weather, of course it was 55-60 and sunny the week before.
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Post by moderndaycoach on Mar 5, 2018 9:46:02 GMT -5
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Post by BuckysHeat on Mar 5, 2018 12:02:23 GMT -5
At World Challenge there will be 16 of Prepvb's top 50 teams, Munciana, SPVB 18E, A4, Top Select and Minn Select 18-1 from the top 20. USAV qualified teams will be A4, A5 18-2, Mn Select, OTVA, TAV 18 Black and Top Select. It should end up being Munci in the final, I would bet on either A4 or OTVA being their opponent. Top 16 list (56 registered): A4 Volley 18-Purple A5 Mizuno 18-1 Bob A5 Mizuno 18-2 John Drive Nation VBC 18 Red FaR Out 18 Black K2 Adidas Jota KU`IKAHI 18 Wahine RSB MN Select 18-1 Munciana 18 Samurai OT 18 T. Aaron Rockwood Thunder 18Mizuno SPVB 18 Elite TAV 18 Black Top Select 18 Elite Blake Triangle 18 Black Uno Girls 18 Elite
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Post by boh on Mar 5, 2018 12:56:27 GMT -5
Honestly they just seemed better conditioned than every other 18s team. Errors started piling up for other teams on day 3 and they kept playing the same volleyball. I am sure it doesn't surprise anyone that they're the best conditioned team in the tournament, but it looked to me like that is why they were blowing teams out in gold bracket.
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Post by vollypopaz on Mar 5, 2018 21:04:50 GMT -5
Severe storms on both coasts ended up not disrupting the Boston and SCVA qualifiers. Boston and New England had to deal with 90+mph wind gusts, up to 3" of snow and over 5" of rain. Central NY picked up over 3 feet of snow. Reno and the nearby vicinity picked up 3 feet of snow and a 146mph wind gust was recorded. But still the games went on In Boston, OT 18 T. Aaron beat Legacy in the final to take one bid, Top Select finishes 3rd to get the other. At SCVA A4 beat Coast in the final while SG Elite beat Miz LB to take third. Since SG Elite had already qualified in Texas, Miz LB takes the third bid. Absolute and Vision take the bids at the Golden State Qualifier At Showcase SPVB 18E won the 18's division While I agree that A4 (who won SCVA) is an open level team, I question the way the club operated at the qualifier. On day 2 when A4-18 had already clinched 1st in the pool, the final match was against A4-17’s. If the 18’s win, Tstreet goes up second and 17’s are out. If the 18’s lose, there is a 3 way tie for first and the 17’s are still alive. To everyone watching, the 18’s took a dive intentionally and the 17’s go on to win the tie breaker and move up. You can read Prepvolleyball’s comments on the situation if you’re you are a subscriber. They were intentionally vague IMO but it was clear the situation was controversial to say the least. I find the A4 behavior to be extremely poor sportsmanship at best. At worst, it was effectively a forfeit (which carries heavy penalties) and collusion to affect the results of a national qualifier. I feel like the club should be sanctioned. Honestly, if I was a parent for a kid on that 18’s team, I would be pissed and outraged to have my kid involved in something like that. I don’t know if this kind of thing happens often but it’s the first time I’ve seen something this blatant.
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Post by n00b on Mar 5, 2018 21:17:01 GMT -5
Severe storms on both coasts ended up not disrupting the Boston and SCVA qualifiers. Boston and New England had to deal with 90+mph wind gusts, up to 3" of snow and over 5" of rain. Central NY picked up over 3 feet of snow. Reno and the nearby vicinity picked up 3 feet of snow and a 146mph wind gust was recorded. But still the games went on In Boston, OT 18 T. Aaron beat Legacy in the final to take one bid, Top Select finishes 3rd to get the other. At SCVA A4 beat Coast in the final while SG Elite beat Miz LB to take third. Since SG Elite had already qualified in Texas, Miz LB takes the third bid. Absolute and Vision take the bids at the Golden State Qualifier At Showcase SPVB 18E won the 18's division While I agree that A4 (who won SCVA) is an open level team, I question the way the club operated at the qualifier. On day 2 when A4-18 had already clinched 1st in the pool, the final match was against A4-17’s. If the 18’s win, Tstreet goes up second and 17’s are out. If the 18’s lose, there is a 3 way tie for first and the 17’s are still alive. To everyone watching, the 18’s took a dive intentionally and the 17’s go on to win the tie breaker and move up. You can read Prepvolleyball’s comments on the situation if you’re you are a subscriber. They were intentionally vague IMO but it was clear the situation was controversial to say the least. I find the A4 behavior to be extremely poor sportsmanship at best. At worst, it was effectively a forfeit (which carries heavy penalties) and collusion to affect the results of a national qualifier. I feel like the club should be sanctioned. Honestly, if I was a parent for a kid on that 18’s team, I would be pissed and outraged to have my kid involved in something like that. I don’t know if this kind of thing happens often but it’s the first time I’ve seen something this blatant. Would've had to see the match to know how blatant it was. That being said... If a team has performed well enough to win the pool before their last match begins, they 100% have earned the right to rest as many starters as possible. To win this tournament, they had to play 9 matches in about 50 hours. As long as they weren't playing kids out of position and/or making errors intentionally (I've seen both of those things happen with teams trying to throw matches), then I'm totally on board with coaches sitting their best players. Their roster on AES has 13 kids on it so they probably were able to sit close to everybody. The same-club dynamic certainly makes the situation murkier, but I'd need further evidence to be convinced that the 18s threw the match.
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