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Post by azvb on Jan 10, 2018 16:31:37 GMT -5
Lots of discussion about parents sending their daughters to SP, wanting coaches to not recruit players from there, etc.
For discussion: I think Michael Jackson abused little boys. I still listen to his music. Love his music. Want to go the tribute show in Vegas. Am I a hypocrite?
Should I never watch a Harvey Weinstein movie again?
Feel free to come up with your own examples.
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Post by Wolfgang on Jan 10, 2018 16:38:36 GMT -5
Woody Allen. Love his movies.
Most, if not all, of the ancient monuments and structures, e.g., the Pyramids, that were built through slave labor.
Mel Gibson. Love some of his movies.
Roman Polanski. Love ALL of his movies.
I, too, love Michael Jackson's music:
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2018 16:48:49 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but I think there is a definite separation -- in terms of bad behavior -- between child molestation and sexual harrassment.
Of course, Weinstein took it to an extreme. Possibly to such an extreme that it was just as bad.
And I still have a problem with the Woody Allen accusation. I don't trust Mia Farrow. I think she's nuts. I do think it's possible for someone to be falsely accused. I just don't know. It's a bizarre accusation and there's a lot of bizarre people involved, including Woody.
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Post by azvb on Jan 10, 2018 17:01:53 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but I think there is a definite separation -- in terms of bad behavior -- between child molestation and sexual harrassment. Of course, Weinstein took it to an extreme. Possibly to such an extreme that it was just as bad. And I still have a problem with the Woody Allen accusation. I don't trust Mia Farrow. I think she's nuts. I do think it's possible for someone to be falsely accused. I just don't know. It's a bizarre accusation and there's a lot of bizarre people involved, including Woody. Yes, there is. Weinstein seems to have taken it to a level higher than I’ve ever heard. If Rick Butler had married one of his victims (as Woody did with Soo Li) would you all not be as upset? Woody Allen is a strange dude. And yes, Mia Farrow is weird, too. But I don’t believe nothing went on between him and Soo Li before she was of age. I can live without Woody Allen movies. Not sure I can survive without MJ music 😐.
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Post by Wolfgang on Jan 10, 2018 17:06:49 GMT -5
Oddly enough, Roman Polanski made Rosemary's Baby, which starred Mia Farrow.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2018 17:07:45 GMT -5
Soon-Yi was not a victim. Not sure why you are bringing her into the discussion. Are there allegations about her, too? The only alleged victim was Dylan. But that's what I mean by bizarre. Dylan was a CHILD. That's a whole different area -- and criminal.
And, no, if Butler had sex with a 16yo player, it would make no difference to me if he married her.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2018 17:09:05 GMT -5
Oddly enough, Roman Polanski made Rosemary's Baby, which starred Mia Farrow. And was married to Sharon Tate, who was murdered by the devil himself.
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Post by Wolfgang on Jan 10, 2018 17:13:04 GMT -5
Oddly enough, Roman Polanski made Rosemary's Baby, which starred Mia Farrow. And was married to Sharon Tate, who was murdered by the devil himself. And Tate's first movie was titled Eye of the Devil.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2018 17:27:03 GMT -5
And Charles Manson had that role in Manhattan.
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Post by loki on Jan 10, 2018 17:27:06 GMT -5
If Rick Butler had sex with an 18yo player, he shouldn't be coaching or running a club. And that was his defense.
I wouldn't send my kid to SP.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2018 17:30:37 GMT -5
Mel Gibson made some really good movies when he was young.
I agree. Butler should keep his hands off his players, regardless of their age. And I don't care if he married one (which he didn't, but I don't care).
I will say, however, apropos of nothing perhaps, that it is NOT easy being a nice guy in this world. Maybe I've mentioned that. Women, generally, aren't interested. Talk about mixed signals.
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Post by azvb on Jan 10, 2018 18:16:36 GMT -5
Soon-Yi was not a victim. Not sure why you are bringing her into the discussion. Are there allegations about her, too? The only alleged victim was Dylan. But that's what I mean by bizarre. Dylan was a CHILD. That's a whole different area -- and criminal. And, no, if Butler had sex with a 16yo player, it would make no difference to me if he married her. Nude pictures of her were found in Woody’s apartment. She was between 17 amd 19 at the time (her age wasn’t known when she was adopted-doctors guessed by using bone X-rays). He admitted taking the pictures, I believe.
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Post by azvb on Jan 10, 2018 18:17:00 GMT -5
And Charles Manson had that role in Manhattan. Really?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2018 19:59:26 GMT -5
No, not really. He was in prison. He did write some songs, however. At least one was used by The Beach Boys.
As for Soon-Yi, she still wasn't a child. The accusation re Dylan is a whole other thing.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2018 20:01:35 GMT -5
Dylan was also his own child, right? I forget. I know Ronan was, although lots of people claim he's Sinatra's.
Yes, she is.
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