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Post by Phaedrus on Jan 17, 2018 10:01:24 GMT -5
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Post by Sorry Ass Sal on Jan 17, 2018 15:26:12 GMT -5
I posted this in the RB thread since someone mentioned Nassar, but it certainly bears repeating here. "The 54-year-old Nassar – who is already serving 60 years in federal prison for child pornography crimes – faces between 40 and 125 more years behind bars after pleading guilty in November to molesting seven girls. Over the four-day sentencing, which began Tuesday, nearly 100 of Nassar’s victims are expected to address the court about the abuse they endured at the hands of the disgraced doctor. Nassar joined the USA Gymnastics national team medical staff in 1986 as an athletic trainer and eventually became the team’s medical coordinator until 2015. He also ran a clinic and gymnastics club at Michigan State University, where he was a faculty member. While accusations of abuse date back to 1994, it wasn’t until a September 2016 article in The Indianapolis Star reported allegations of abuse by two former gymnasts that actions were taken against Nassar. Following the allegations, Michigan State reassigned Nassar from his clinical and teaching duties before eventually firing him. Nassar claims that he retired from his role with USA Gymnastics, but the organization said it fired him in 2015 and notified law enforcement "after learning of athlete concerns."" www.foxnews.com/us/2018/01/17/gold-medal-monster-victims-recount-years-abuse-by-usa-gymnastics-doctor-larry-nassar.html
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Post by azvb on Jan 17, 2018 18:00:17 GMT -5
Sees to me Michigan State is similar to Penn State and Sandusky. Hope heads roll and lawsuits abound.
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Post by akbar on Jan 17, 2018 18:26:03 GMT -5
this is just the tip of the iceberg .
Many Many lives are going to be turned upside down.....and there wont be a need to watch it on tv because its happening in every town, hamlet and city, in all professions.
burn mf burn
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Post by Wolfgang on Jan 17, 2018 19:08:42 GMT -5
Not condoning the behavior of the enablers but I understand the instinct to not "rock the boat." It's probably hard-wired into our genes for personal survival purposes. I've never been part of anything so big as Nassar (or Butler) but the closest thing is something that all people can relate as kids: cheating. From primary school to high school to college, I'm sure we've all been exposed to some sort of cheating enterprise involving multiple students. I have. I've known fellow students who had:
1. access to exams, 2. access to exam answers, especially the multiple choice variety, 3. conspired with one smart student to use some sort of code to communicate answers to other conspirators during the exam session, 4. copied homework from other students.
I myself being the brainiac that I am allowed a number of other students copy off my exams throughout my primary and secondary education years. But I did that to get on their good side because, you know, I wanted to make friends.
Of course, it gets more and more difficult to cheat as the exams themselves become more complicated, e.g., essay exams in History or English; Math problems where you have to show intermediate steps leading to the solution.
Anyway, despite knowing about all this cheating, I can't think of any instance in my life where a student ratted out their cheating classmates.
In the adult world, it gets more complicated because ratting out someone could cost you your job, especially if the perpetrator is in a position of authority, or you could stand to lose a lot of money because the perpetrator has been a cash cow for your business.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2018 15:41:15 GMT -5
Not condoning the behavior of the enablers but I understand the instinct to not "rock the boat." It's probably hard-wired into our genes for personal survival purposes. I've never been part of anything so big as Nassar (or Butler) but the closest thing is something that all people can relate as kids: cheating. From primary school to high school to college, I'm sure we've all been exposed to some sort of cheating enterprise involving multiple students. I have. I've known fellow students who had: 1. access to exams, 2. access to exam answers, especially the multiple choice variety, 3. conspired with one smart student to use some sort of code to communicate answers to other conspirators during the exam session, 4. copied homework from other students. I myself being the brainiac that I am allowed a number of other students copy off my exams throughout my primary and secondary education years. But I did that to get on their good side because, you know, I wanted to make friends. Of course, it gets more and more difficult to cheat as the exams themselves become more complicated, e.g., essay exams in History or English; Math problems where you have to show intermediate steps leading to the solution. Anyway, despite knowing about all this cheating, I can't think of any instance in my life where a student ratted out their cheating classmates. In the adult world, it gets more complicated because ratting out someone could cost you your job, especially if the perpetrator is in a position of authority, or you could stand to lose a lot of money because the perpetrator has been a cash cow for your business. I could say the same on most accounts. However, I would like to distinguish a major difference between covering for someone who cheats on a test and covering for someone who sexually abuses minors.
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Post by Wolfgang on Jan 18, 2018 15:47:02 GMT -5
Not condoning the behavior of the enablers but I understand the instinct to not "rock the boat." It's probably hard-wired into our genes for personal survival purposes. I've never been part of anything so big as Nassar (or Butler) but the closest thing is something that all people can relate as kids: cheating. From primary school to high school to college, I'm sure we've all been exposed to some sort of cheating enterprise involving multiple students. I have. I've known fellow students who had: 1. access to exams, 2. access to exam answers, especially the multiple choice variety, 3. conspired with one smart student to use some sort of code to communicate answers to other conspirators during the exam session, 4. copied homework from other students. I myself being the brainiac that I am allowed a number of other students copy off my exams throughout my primary and secondary education years. But I did that to get on their good side because, you know, I wanted to make friends. Of course, it gets more and more difficult to cheat as the exams themselves become more complicated, e.g., essay exams in History or English; Math problems where you have to show intermediate steps leading to the solution. Anyway, despite knowing about all this cheating, I can't think of any instance in my life where a student ratted out their cheating classmates. In the adult world, it gets more complicated because ratting out someone could cost you your job, especially if the perpetrator is in a position of authority, or you could stand to lose a lot of money because the perpetrator has been a cash cow for your business. I could say the same on most accounts. However, I would like to distinguish a major difference between covering for someone who cheats on a test and covering for someone who sexually abuses minors. Well, I did say they're not the same. However, I bring up cheating because that was the only experience I had with anything resembling widespread enabling behavior. Besides, cheating (and ratting out cheaters) is one of the first things children and young adults experience that test their moral and ethical convictions. As they become adults, they experience far more complex issues that further test them.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2018 15:51:45 GMT -5
I could say the same on most accounts. However, I would like to distinguish a major difference between covering for someone who cheats on a test and covering for someone who sexually abuses minors. Well, I did say they're not the same. However, I bring up cheating because that was the only experience I had with anything resembling widespread enabling behavior. Besides, cheating (and ratting out cheaters) is one of the first things children and young adults experience that test their moral and ethical convictions. As they become adults, they experience far more complex issues that further test them. Like the Marshmallow Test.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2018 20:11:43 GMT -5
What the hell is going on? Is every male in a position of power tempted to perversion? Are there no decent human beings in the world?
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Post by mln59 on Jan 19, 2018 11:09:32 GMT -5
Well, I did say they're not the same. However, I bring up cheating because that was the only experience I had with anything resembling widespread enabling behavior. Besides, cheating (and ratting out cheaters) is one of the first things children and young adults experience that test their moral and ethical convictions. As they become adults, they experience far more complex issues that further test them. Like the Marshmallow Test. why that certain bible verse as your sig?
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Post by azvb on Jan 19, 2018 12:38:28 GMT -5
What the hell is going on? Is every male in a position of power tempted to perversion? Are there no decent human beings in the world? Evidently 😐
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Post by gnu2vball on Jan 19, 2018 13:58:12 GMT -5
I heard on the news this morning that USA Gymnastics has ended their relationship with the Karolys. According to the report, many of the girls claimed that Nassar assaulted them while they were in the Karoly compound. The Karoly's claimed to have no knowledge of the assaults.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2018 14:36:49 GMT -5
Anyone who ever watched USA gymnastics and didn't think these girls were being abused was kidding themselves. Sure, there was no reason to think it was sexual abuse, but -- good gawd -- what an awful system. Is there another sport not only dominated by girls, but tries so hard to KEEP its participants that way? Heaven forbid that someone would be allowed to grow/age.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2018 19:06:02 GMT -5
Like the Marshmallow Test. why that certain bible verse as your sig? Just trying to spread the biblical truth about women.
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Post by Phaedrus on Jan 19, 2018 19:06:47 GMT -5
I heard on the news this morning that USA Gymnastics has ended their relationship with the Karolys. According to the report, many of the girls claimed that Nassar assaulted them while they were in the Karoly compound. The Karoly's claimed to have no knowledge of the assaults. Anyone on here believe the Karolyis? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?
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