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Post by mln59 on Jan 19, 2018 19:20:19 GMT -5
why that certain bible verse as your sig? Just trying to spread the biblical truth about women. are you serious? how is that working for you?
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Post by Wolfgang on Jan 19, 2018 19:22:02 GMT -5
Just trying to spread the biblical truth about women. are you serious? how is that working for you? He probably meant that as a criticism of the Bible. If that's his personal philosophy then that's another matter entirely.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2018 19:52:17 GMT -5
Just trying to spread the biblical truth about women. are you serious? how is that working for you? When I share that verse with women, they get defensive and claim I'm taking it out of context. Then I tell them to be quiet because they are sinning by talking to me.
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Post by mln59 on Jan 19, 2018 20:04:54 GMT -5
are you serious? how is that working for you? When I share that verse with women, they get defensive and claim I'm taking it out of context. Then I tell them to be quiet because they are sinning by talking to me. okay. is that just when they speak to you in church? and i assume you are familiar with arguments posited that St. Paul did not actually write that verse...that it was a later insertion? in any case, i bet you have some lively discussions with folks
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2018 20:11:47 GMT -5
When I share that verse with women, they get defensive and claim I'm taking it out of context. Then I tell them to be quiet because they are sinning by talking to me. okay. is that just when they speak to you in church? and i assume you are familiar with arguments posited that St. Paul did not actually write that verse...that it was a later insertion? in any case, i bet you have some lively discussions with folks What does it matter who writes it? It's in the Bible.
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Post by tree on Jan 21, 2018 13:04:37 GMT -5
That is because most of the bible was written by men. No I do not believe the Karoly's.Pretty sure they at least heard something. Just too far up the ladder not to have. Just my opinion. This whole thing makes me sick.
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Post by ironhammer on Jan 21, 2018 20:46:25 GMT -5
What really disturbed me was that one of the victim's parents did not believed her when she first informed them of the abuse by Nassar. Imagine what that does to already damaged psyche of the victim and her relations with her parents. Its bad enough there was the abuse, now her own parents, the ones that are supposed to be there for her, did not believe her. Hell, that is just so incredibly messed up.
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Post by Sorry Ass Sal on Jan 21, 2018 23:49:19 GMT -5
What really disturbed me was that one of the victim's parents did not believed her when she first informed them of the abuse by Nassar. Imagine what that does to already damaged psyche of the victim and her relations with her parents. Its bad enough there was the abuse, now her own parents, the ones that are supposed to be their for her, did not believe her. Hell, that is just so incredibly messed up. I'm childless, but would guarantee that if my child even brought it up, I would do my own thorough investigation and remove the child from the environment, even if no harm was actually found.
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Post by Cruz'n on Jan 24, 2018 1:01:37 GMT -5
I have watched all six days of testimonies so far, and will watch the "supposed" final ones tomorrow morning. This has been mind-blowing. And illuminating, educational, and extremely sad. My eyes are so swollen from all the crying I've done these past days. So proud of these young ladies for speaking up. I really really hope that more heads roll. Not just resignations, but charges, arrests.
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Post by Wolfgang on Jan 24, 2018 23:09:24 GMT -5
MSU President Lou Ann Simon resigns amid public outcry and in-state pressure. I know she's the figurehead so if anything goes wrong under her watch, she's responsible. I'm not really sure from the articles of what she knew or didn't know. All I got was that she didn't know and the one time the university investigated Nasser, he was cleared of a sexual assault claim in 2014. She said she didn't review the full case file. There's no evidence that there was any sort of cover-up. I'm not really sure what to make of this. Leaders, by necessity, delegate duties to others. I suspect that, usually, when something like this happens, university presidents are often blindsided and only learn, too late, of the many shortcomings in their school's internal procedures on the handling of such cases. It's fair to unseat her, but also unfair. The leader can only know so much. So, if the house plumbing went awry in my house, should I be fired as the Head of Household? Should I have done more to make sure we installed drain meshes on all drains, "cleaned up" clean-outs on the side of the house with high-pressure jets once a month, and performed a periodic check-up of the entire plumbing system annually? www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/01/24/michigan-state-larry-nassar-simon/1060159001/
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Post by Cruz'n on Jan 25, 2018 4:38:56 GMT -5
MSU President Lou Ann Simon resigns amid public outcry and in-state pressure. I know she's the figurehead so if anything goes wrong under her watch, she's responsible. I'm not really sure from the articles of what she knew or didn't know. All I got was that she didn't know and the one time the university investigated Nasser, he was cleared of a sexual assault claim in 2014. She said she didn't review the full case file. There's no evidence that there was any sort of cover-up. I'm not really sure what to make of this. Leaders, by necessity, delegate duties to others. I suspect that, usually, when something like this happens, university presidents are often blindsided and only learn, too late, of the many shortcomings in their school's internal procedures on the handling of such cases. It's fair to unseat her, but also unfair. The leader can only know so much. So, if the house plumbing went awry in my house, should I be fired as the Head of Household? Should I have done more to make sure we installed drain meshes on all drains, "cleaned up" clean-outs on the side of the house with high-pressure jets once a month, and performed a periodic check-up of the entire plumbing system annually? www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/01/24/michigan-state-larry-nassar-simon/1060159001/There is a culture of enabling sexual abuse at MSU. The survivors were completely dissatisfied with her actions, and her public excuses. Things could not continue as they were at MSU. Simon absolutely had to step down. A lot more still needs to happen: changes in policies, procedures, and oversight. I'm curious if the protest, scheduled for Friday at MSU, will go on as planned? The main agenda was to demand Simon step down.
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Post by azvb on Jan 25, 2018 12:27:51 GMT -5
MSU President Lou Ann Simon resigns amid public outcry and in-state pressure. I know she's the figurehead so if anything goes wrong under her watch, she's responsible. I'm not really sure from the articles of what she knew or didn't know. All I got was that she didn't know and the one time the university investigated Nasser, he was cleared of a sexual assault claim in 2014. She said she didn't review the full case file. There's no evidence that there was any sort of cover-up. I'm not really sure what to make of this. Leaders, by necessity, delegate duties to others. I suspect that, usually, when something like this happens, university presidents are often blindsided and only learn, too late, of the many shortcomings in their school's internal procedures on the handling of such cases. It's fair to unseat her, but also unfair. The leader can only know so much. So, if the house plumbing went awry in my house, should I be fired as the Head of Household? Should I have done more to make sure we installed drain meshes on all drains, "cleaned up" clean-outs on the side of the house with high-pressure jets once a month, and performed a periodic check-up of the entire plumbing system annually? www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/01/24/michigan-state-larry-nassar-simon/1060159001/No, but the contractor is just as much to blame as the plumber.
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Post by WahineFan44 on Jan 25, 2018 14:57:44 GMT -5
So the judge in this case, I absolutely love how tough and blunt she was with him, BUT, could his defense team file for a mistrial or something with some of the comments she made? They seened like stuff a defense attorney would eat up to get ger discredited.
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Post by Cruz'n on Jan 26, 2018 6:19:12 GMT -5
So the judge in this case, I absolutely love how tough and blunt she was with him, BUT, could his defense team file for a mistrial or something with some of the comments she made? They seened like stuff a defense attorney would eat up to get ger discredited. I'm not in the legal profession. IMO, Nassar will never seek a mistrial. Probably means less at this point that there would be no plea deal; but there would be a trial, during which he would have to sit and listen to tons of witness testimonies on the stand. I doubt he would want that. Plus almost a guarantee that he would have an even longer sentence--not that he's ever getting out anyway.
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Post by azvb on Jan 26, 2018 11:49:47 GMT -5
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