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Post by dman on Feb 15, 2018 14:32:50 GMT -5
I think it's a good idea to finish 18's early. it solves a lot of the problems you mentioned. It's tough when you are committing to your current team and then because of demands of the college coach you are forced to break that team commitment; affecting the one tournament they practice/play all year to work toward. Play a compacted schedule Jan-April and be done. This will also allow for most kids to celebrate their Senior activities like prom and be a high school student too. Those are memories you just can't replace. As far as being truly prepared for the grind of the student-athlete, we'll just have to agree to disagree. Again, I can only speak from my daughters experience and feedback from her former and current teammates. Club practice/conditioning/weekend tournaments/high school academics really doesn't compare to the rigors of your first semester of college ball and academics. Her current college coach tells all freshman parents to be prepared for a phone call of a tired, frantic, frustrated kid come October and talk her down from the ledge....and it happened like clockwork. This was a similar experience to many of her peers/parents as well. Not trying to discount what you are saying; it's just not as easy as you make it come across. College coaches cannot really demand anything until the fall of their Freshman year Hahahahahah....now that's some funny stuff! How bout "strongly recommend" then?
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Post by eazy on Feb 15, 2018 14:33:19 GMT -5
I think it's a good idea to finish 18's early. it solves a lot of the problems you mentioned. It's tough when you are committing to your current team and then because of demands of the college coach you are forced to break that team commitment; affecting the one tournament they practice/play all year to work toward. Play a compacted schedule Jan-April and be done. This will also allow for most kids to celebrate their Senior activities like prom and be a high school student too. Those are memories you just can't replace. As far as being truly prepared for the grind of the student-athlete, we'll just have to agree to disagree. Again, I can only speak from my daughters experience and feedback from her former and current teammates. Club practice/conditioning/weekend tournaments/high school academics really doesn't compare to the rigors of your first semester of college ball and academics. Her current college coach tells all freshman parents to be prepared for a phone call of a tired, frantic, frustrated kid come October and talk her down from the ledge....and it happened like clockwork. This was a similar experience to many of her peers/parents as well. Not trying to discount what you are saying; it's just not as easy as you make it come across. College coaches cannot really demand anything until the fall of their Freshman year They may not officially be able to, but can they apply pressure with some not so subtle consequences attached, you bet.
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Post by moody on Feb 15, 2018 14:35:55 GMT -5
FROZEN PLAYER TERMS AND CONDITIONS Once a female junior player has participated in a GJNC qualifying event (Regional or NQ), she may not be on the Official Roster of, or participate in, another GJNC qualifying or championship event with a different club.
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Post by moody on Feb 15, 2018 14:43:51 GMT -5
College coaches cannot really demand anything until the fall of their Freshman year Hahahahahah....now that's some funny stuff! How bout "strongly recommend" then? I agree. How about NCAA violations??
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Post by moody on Feb 15, 2018 14:46:55 GMT -5
A club may add player(s) to the Official Roster of one of its teams qualified for the GJNC, provided the additional player(s) are members of the club and are not on the Official Roster of another of the club’s teams at the GJNC.
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Post by trainermch on Feb 15, 2018 15:45:05 GMT -5
Hahahahahah....now that's some funny stuff! How bout "strongly recommend" then? I agree. How about NCAA violations?? When the kid, parent or HS coach reports them? Oh, yeah. Only ex post facto when there's little to no court time down the road.
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Post by n00b on Feb 15, 2018 15:45:07 GMT -5
Right. I actually believe AAU has similar rules. If you compete in an AAU tournament with one club, you cannot switch to another club without a release. What usually happens is that most teams don't play in any AAU tournaments before nationals, so they don't ever get attached to a team. Similarly, if you play for Munciana or SPVB (or a number of other midwestern clubs) you don't get associated with any club according to USAV's system. They could add you and put you on the roster in April. Edit: I found the AAU rule. Once you play in an AAU event, you become attached to your club. However, if you don't play in an AAU event for 60 days, you can transfer to a different club. ( LINK)
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Post by nickd on Feb 16, 2018 23:57:37 GMT -5
The compressed 18's schedule has a downside. In my opinion, it leads to more overuse injuries. Great, the kid finishes early for all of the benefits stated but I think there was a cost of increased injuries for more players. Maybe that is just my perception...I don't have actual numbers. But, I did see a lot of teams in Dallas last year with sidelined players. Several top teams that I know still had to bring up players from their 2's squad. Last year, here in so cal my daughter had tournaments every weekend for a month and a half straight; Mandatory 1, Las Vegas Classic, Mandatory 2, Golden State JNQ, So Ca JNQ, Mandatory 3. There were MANY teams in our area with similar schedules or perhaps with only one weekend break in that time period.
Doesn't seem like that is the best way to keep players healthy for college.
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Post by dman on Feb 17, 2018 8:53:30 GMT -5
The compressed 18's schedule has a downside. In my opinion, it leads to more overuse injuries. Great, the kid finishes early for all of the benefits stated but I think there was a cost of increased injuries for more players. Maybe that is just my perception...I don't have actual numbers. But, I did see a lot of teams in Dallas last year with sidelined players. Several top teams that I know still had to bring up players from their 2's squad. Last year, here in so cal my daughter had tournaments every weekend for a month and a half straight; Mandatory 1, Las Vegas Classic, Mandatory 2, Golden State JNQ, So Ca JNQ, Mandatory 3. There were MANY teams in our area with similar schedules or perhaps with only one weekend break in that time period. Doesn't seem like that is the best way to keep players healthy for college. I'd like to see some true numbers before coming to that conclusion. It could just be what you saw in your bubble of the volleyball world. I did not see this from my perspective. Definitely worth a closer look.
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Post by nickd on Feb 18, 2018 20:02:12 GMT -5
We did not deal with the shortened 18's season with my first two daughters. Last year was our only experience with it so I certainly hope you are right, dman. I doubt we'd see any stats on it. But, I don't need stats to know that 3 to 9+ matches every weekend for six weeks is a lot of jumping and landing for some players.
Since we are out of club ball now, not sure if this year is any different. I think there were some changes to the regional schedule this year and maybe there are more JNQ or alternative tournament options. At a minimum, perhaps something to be considered.
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Post by boh on Feb 18, 2018 21:12:20 GMT -5
As a club that is shortening their season for some 18s we are not playing a different schedule for the ones with a shortened season...so as a non USAV team we won't see the overuse problems because we aren't cramming in qualifiers, but for the ones that are it is an interesting thing to wonder about, I think if I were in charge of what qualifiers we played I'd try not to cram them in regardless of whether the overuse thing is true or not.
I don't think it makes sense to play a "full" season in less time...just play a partial season with whatever fits in during that time period
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Post by WahineFan44 on Feb 27, 2018 15:58:47 GMT -5
On a side note, what specific club team (like club team from a certain year ala tav 2016, wave 2017) etc, has produced the most collegiate stars. Like girls who’ve either become all Americans or made significant impacts on their collegiate rosters
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