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Post by moody on Feb 11, 2018 19:54:41 GMT -5
AAU Nationals for 18's is a joke! Many top teams don't come with their true team roster as many girls have already left for college. You will also find clubs poaching other girls to place on their rosters who haven't played for their team all year. It's ridiculous! I know this will ruffle feathers but USAV Nationals is much more competitive top to bottom and the winner of this tournament deserves the title National Champion! You don't think Munciana, Spry, Top Select etc would compete well at USJO Nationals?
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Post by dman on Feb 11, 2018 20:00:14 GMT -5
Not what I said...if you go thru the qualifying process and you win USAV then you deserve the bragging rights. Too many variables and lack of process to say this with the AAU tournament.
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Post by boh on Feb 11, 2018 20:02:08 GMT -5
Don't even get me started on those power pools...nationals at 18 open last year was pretty unimpressive to watch. I would not put that on MN select when everything was bad So you are defending Select's poor showing in the AAU power pools by saying the pools weren't very good? HUH??? If you're going to try to put words in my mouth at least attempt to read my other posts below the one you quote 1st...
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Post by moody on Feb 11, 2018 20:19:18 GMT -5
So you are defending Select's poor showing in the AAU power pools by saying the pools weren't very good? HUH??? If you're going to try to put words in my mouth at least attempt to read my other posts below the one you quote 1st... what words did I put in your mouth. You claim the 18's open at AAU's was not impressive. Select did poorly during pool play. So just what am I missing?
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Post by boh on Feb 11, 2018 20:24:12 GMT -5
If you're going to try to put words in my mouth at least attempt to read my other posts below the one you quote 1st... what words did I put in your mouth. You claim the 18's open at AAU's was not impressive. Select did poorly during pool play. So just what am I missing? That I was defending..or even caring in general about how select did
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Post by moody on Feb 11, 2018 20:32:56 GMT -5
what words did I put in your mouth. You claim the 18's open at AAU's was not impressive. Select did poorly during pool play. So just what am I missing? That I was defending..or even caring in general about how select did so your post had no point?
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Post by moody on Feb 11, 2018 20:37:00 GMT -5
Not what I said...if you go thru the qualifying process and you win USAV then you deserve the bragging rights. Too many variables and lack of process to say this with the AAU tournament. So what are you saying about the top teams at AAU?
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Post by dman on Feb 11, 2018 20:48:37 GMT -5
Not what I said...if you go thru the qualifying process and you win USAV then you deserve the bragging rights. Too many variables and lack of process to say this with the AAU tournament. So what are you saying about the top teams at AAU? The top teams could compete but the degree of difficulty is much greater top to bottom at USAV.
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Post by moody on Feb 11, 2018 20:50:19 GMT -5
So what are you saying about the top teams at AAU? The top teams could compete but the degree of difficulty is much greater top to bottom at USAV. so the teams in the power pool, in your opinion, can compete at USAV?
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Post by dman on Feb 11, 2018 21:01:26 GMT -5
The top teams could compete but the degree of difficulty is much greater top to bottom at USAV. so the teams in the power pool, in your opinion, can compete at USAV? Not familiar enough with what constitutes a "power pool' at AAU. I can say that the AAU field is very watered down and the "top teams" in the field are not really challenged until maybe day three. The pool setup at USAV really doesn't allow a team to take a match off. You are challenged and expending energy from day 1.
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Post by moody on Feb 11, 2018 21:08:55 GMT -5
so the teams in the power pool, in your opinion, can compete at USAV? Not familiar enough with what constitutes a "power pool' at AAU. I can say that the AAU field is very watered down and the "top teams" in the field are not really challenged until maybe day three. The pool setup at USAV really doesn't allow a team to take a match off. You are challenged and expending energy from day 1. But those top teams, who do well at AAU's but don't compete in USJO Nationals don't have bragging rights?
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Post by dman on Feb 11, 2018 21:23:43 GMT -5
Not familiar enough with what constitutes a "power pool' at AAU. I can say that the AAU field is very watered down and the "top teams" in the field are not really challenged until maybe day three. The pool setup at USAV really doesn't allow a team to take a match off. You are challenged and expending energy from day 1. But those top teams, who do well at AAU's but don't compete in USJO Nationals don't have bragging rights? They can brag if they'd like...it's just a lesser tournament and you're not near as battle tested as you are at USAV. There have been teams that have competed and won both tournaments in past years so I'm not saying there are not talented teams at AAU's. I just feel USAV is the deeper and more competitive tournament of the two. My wish is that you have a singular tournament that would bring everyone together and make things all equal...but that would be too easy!
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Post by boh on Feb 11, 2018 22:26:13 GMT -5
That I was defending..or even caring in general about how select did so your post had no point? Are you purposely being difficult or not reading my other posts like I said earlier? The point of my post, which I later explained in another post, was that the power pools took away from the competitiveness of nationals because the top 18s teams (who were already arguably checked out, not complete teams, or had free agent pickups) did not have to compete for a full 4 days.
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Post by moody on Feb 12, 2018 8:32:50 GMT -5
so your post had no point? Are you purposely being difficult or not reading my other posts like I said earlier? The point of my post, which I later explained in another post, was that the power pools took away from the competitiveness of nationals because the top 18s teams (who were already arguably checked out, not complete teams, or had free agent pickups) did not have to compete for a full 4 days. Wow you are quite the expert on the AAU 18 Open Championship. Tell us which teams in the top power pools did not compete for 4 days? Which teams had "free agents"? Which teams were checked out? My point is your are talking out your a$$.
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Post by boh on Feb 12, 2018 9:17:41 GMT -5
Are you purposely being difficult or not reading my other posts like I said earlier? The point of my post, which I later explained in another post, was that the power pools took away from the competitiveness of nationals because the top 18s teams (who were already arguably checked out, not complete teams, or had free agent pickups) did not have to compete for a full 4 days. Wow you are quite the expert on the AAU 18 Open Championship. Tell us which teams in the top power pools did not compete for 4 days? Which teams had "free agents"? Which teams were checked out? My point is your are talking out your a$$. You sure are a tough guy....in a thread talking specifically about club teams going to big D1 schools I bring up MN Select from 2 years ago because they had an amazing roster...keep in mind I have no affiliation with that club, we played AGAINST them and I was very impressed with what I saw. The talk gets side tracked to how they performed last year, and I side track the conversation further because I mention how I felt the power pools made that atmosphere even less competitive (IMO) than it already was. As far as your specific questions, almost all of them looked checked out to me...sure they had to compete for 4 days, if you call being on the court competing. Did they have to take top 3 and then top 2 the first two days? Nope. Could coaches mess around with lineups and rest people even if it meant losing? Yep. They could literally lose every match in the power pool and still make gold. Would that have been allowed if they were in the main draw? Nope. MN Select for example went 3-6 overall and took 3rd overall, A5 went 3-7 and took 5th, KIVA went 2-7 and took 7th. As far as the free agents go, I know our club took two. The rest I am going based on previous posts by other members on here because I do not pay that much attention to other clubs. So sure, you can say I am talking out of wherever you want...not sure where you were to call out those posters when they were speaking about specific teams. Not sure who pissed in your cheerios, but you can talk nicely and we can have a productive conversation.
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