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Post by vballislife123 on Feb 12, 2018 9:22:41 GMT -5
This post should focus more on what club teams have placed players on collegiate rosters. That's more impressive to me. Sometimes a D2/D3 position can be a much better fit than a D1 offer.
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Post by moody on Feb 12, 2018 9:38:20 GMT -5
Wow you are quite the expert on the AAU 18 Open Championship. Tell us which teams in the top power pools did not compete for 4 days? Which teams had "free agents"? Which teams were checked out? My point is your are talking out your a$$. You sure are a tough guy....in a thread talking specifically about club teams going to big D1 schools I bring up MN Select from 2 years ago because they had an amazing roster...keep in mind I have no affiliation with that club, we played AGAINST them and I was very impressed with what I saw. The talk gets side tracked to how they performed last year, and I side track the conversation further because I mention how I felt the power pools made that atmosphere even less competitive (IMO) than it already was. As far as your specific questions, almost all of them looked checked out to me...sure they had to compete for 4 days, if you call being on the court competing. Did they have to take top 3 and then top 2 the first two days? Nope. Could coaches mess around with lineups and rest people even if it meant losing? Yep. They could literally lose every match in the power pool and still make gold. Would that have been allowed if they were in the main draw? Nope. MN Select for example went 3-6 overall and took 3rd overall, A5 went 3-7 and took 5th, KIVA went 2-7 and took 7th. As far as the free agents go, I know our club took two. The rest I am going based on previous posts by other members on here because I do not pay that much attention to other clubs. So sure, you can say I am talking out of wherever you want...not sure where you were to call out those posters when they were speaking about specific teams. Not sure who pissed in your cheerios, but you can talk nicely and we can have a productive conversation. Not a tough guy at all just tired of watching you talk out your backside. The reason for the power pools were to have tough competition on day one. Of course some of these teams would have some losses. But if the field of competition is as weak as you say these teams could certainly rest players and still finish top two in traditional seedings. And by the way A5 did not take 5th Northern Lights did. Which club did are you affiliated with that took two additional players?
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Post by boh on Feb 12, 2018 10:00:22 GMT -5
You sure are a tough guy....in a thread talking specifically about club teams going to big D1 schools I bring up MN Select from 2 years ago because they had an amazing roster...keep in mind I have no affiliation with that club, we played AGAINST them and I was very impressed with what I saw. The talk gets side tracked to how they performed last year, and I side track the conversation further because I mention how I felt the power pools made that atmosphere even less competitive (IMO) than it already was. As far as your specific questions, almost all of them looked checked out to me...sure they had to compete for 4 days, if you call being on the court competing. Did they have to take top 3 and then top 2 the first two days? Nope. Could coaches mess around with lineups and rest people even if it meant losing? Yep. They could literally lose every match in the power pool and still make gold. Would that have been allowed if they were in the main draw? Nope. MN Select for example went 3-6 overall and took 3rd overall, A5 went 3-7 and took 5th, KIVA went 2-7 and took 7th. As far as the free agents go, I know our club took two. The rest I am going based on previous posts by other members on here because I do not pay that much attention to other clubs. So sure, you can say I am talking out of wherever you want...not sure where you were to call out those posters when they were speaking about specific teams. Not sure who pissed in your cheerios, but you can talk nicely and we can have a productive conversation. Not a tough guy at all just tired of watching you talk out your backside. The reason for the power pools were to have tough competition on day one. Of course some of these teams would have some losses. But if the field of competition is as weak as you say these teams could certainly rest players and still finish top two in traditional seedings. And by the way A5 did not take 5th Northern Lights did. Which club did are you affiliated with that took two additional players? I get the reason for power pools, but IMO it does not work for a national championship. There are often surprises or someone started slow day 1 of nationals and takes 2nd in their pool which screws up seedings and someone gets a tough crossover game, etc. Regardless, it is never a given keeping your seed days 1/2 and playing meaningless matches allows for a mental break, there are no MUST wins for HALF of the tournament for these teams. That IMO is not what nationals is about. You disagree, that's fine but it doesn't mean I am "talking out my backside" it means I have a different opinion that you. Yet you act like I am disagreeing with a fact, which would make you the one that thinks you are an expert on this. My fault, A5 took 6th, not 5th, my point remains the same, teams did not have to perform well to finish well. I of course will not be talking about which club I am apart of for several reasons. Mainly because I would like to remain completely anonymous on here, but also because I do not want my posts (mainly the RB thread) causing drama with my club. I am sure if you look at my post history you can find some information on where I am from, etc but I am not willing to go further than that.
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Post by moody on Feb 12, 2018 10:02:52 GMT -5
Power Pool 2 10 of 15 matches went 3 sets. I see one blow out of the 15 matches played. Many sets went into extra points and many were decided by 2 or 3 points. Hardly seems uninspired.
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Post by moody on Feb 12, 2018 10:06:07 GMT -5
Not a tough guy at all just tired of watching you talk out your backside. The reason for the power pools were to have tough competition on day one. Of course some of these teams would have some losses. But if the field of competition is as weak as you say these teams could certainly rest players and still finish top two in traditional seedings. And by the way A5 did not take 5th Northern Lights did. Which club did are you affiliated with that took two additional players? I get the reason for power pools, but IMO it does not work for a national championship. There are often surprises or someone started slow day 1 of nationals and takes 2nd in their pool which screws up seedings and someone gets a tough crossover game, etc. Regardless, it is never a given keeping your seed days 1/2 and playing meaningless matches allows for a mental break, there are no MUST wins for HALF of the tournament for these teams. That IMO is not what nationals is about. You disagree, that's fine but it doesn't mean I am "talking out my backside" it means I have a different opinion that you. Yet you act like I am disagreeing with a fact, which would make you the one that thinks you are an expert on this. My fault, A5 took 6th, not 5th, my point remains the same, teams did not have to perform well to finish well. I of course will not be talking about which club I am apart of for several reasons. Mainly because I would like to remain completely anonymous on here, but also because I do not want my posts (mainly the RB thread) causing drama with my club. I am sure if you look at my post history you can find some information on where I am from, etc but I am not willing to go further than that. If you aren't going to identify your club then you can't use them as an example. I have pointed out facts you have provided NONE.
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Post by boh on Feb 12, 2018 10:23:17 GMT -5
I get the reason for power pools, but IMO it does not work for a national championship. There are often surprises or someone started slow day 1 of nationals and takes 2nd in their pool which screws up seedings and someone gets a tough crossover game, etc. Regardless, it is never a given keeping your seed days 1/2 and playing meaningless matches allows for a mental break, there are no MUST wins for HALF of the tournament for these teams. That IMO is not what nationals is about. You disagree, that's fine but it doesn't mean I am "talking out my backside" it means I have a different opinion that you. Yet you act like I am disagreeing with a fact, which would make you the one that thinks you are an expert on this. My fault, A5 took 6th, not 5th, my point remains the same, teams did not have to perform well to finish well. I of course will not be talking about which club I am apart of for several reasons. Mainly because I would like to remain completely anonymous on here, but also because I do not want my posts (mainly the RB thread) causing drama with my club. I am sure if you look at my post history you can find some information on where I am from, etc but I am not willing to go further than that. If you aren't going to identify your club then you can't use them as an example. I have pointed out facts you have provided NONE. Never mind the rest of my points, lets stick to what you knew I would not talk about. You can pretend that teams did not pick up players before nationals if you'd like, but I know for a fact that at least one team had 2 and other posters mentioned they knew clubs that had done the same. Either way what does it matter, we have different opinions. Clearly you feel very strongly that AAUs at the 18s level was great last year, glad you enjoyed it. Have a good day
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Post by moody on Feb 12, 2018 10:28:40 GMT -5
If you aren't going to identify your club then you can't use them as an example. I have pointed out facts you have provided NONE. Never mind the rest of my points, lets stick to what you knew I would not talk about. You can pretend that teams did not pick up players before nationals if you'd like, but I know for a fact that at least one team had 2 and other posters mentioned they knew clubs that had done the same. Either way what does it matter, we have different opinions. Clearly you feel very strongly that AAUs at the 18s level was great last year, glad you enjoyed it. Have a good day which team? If you can't or won't identify them you are simply talking out your a$$. Thanks for making my point easy. You stated the teams in the power pools didn't play hard yet I showed you the results of those pools showed very competitive matches.
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Post by ProfessorPlum on Feb 12, 2018 11:37:43 GMT -5
Are you purposely being difficult or not reading my other posts like I said earlier? The point of my post, which I later explained in another post, was that the power pools took away from the competitiveness of nationals because the top 18s teams (who were already arguably checked out, not complete teams, or had free agent pickups) did not have to compete for a full 4 days. Wow you are quite the expert on the AAU 18 Open Championship. Tell us which teams in the top power pools did not compete for 4 days? Which teams had "free agents"? Which teams were checked out? My point is your are talking out your a$$. Mn Select and A5 were resting players Top Select was missing 2017 Big10 FOY TAV was missing 3 girls and replaced them with 2 from Skyline Munci has 2 free agents including MVP of tourney ...there are many more but those are the ones I remember Boh is right on his free agent comment. I personally like power pools but if your tournament is not deep enough so that power pools have to be used is it really a “national championship” (please don’t start that debate)? It was a lackluster tourney by most teams based on college approaching imho but there was some very exciting competitive volleyball once gold brackets started.
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Post by moody on Feb 12, 2018 22:10:26 GMT -5
Wow you are quite the expert on the AAU 18 Open Championship. Tell us which teams in the top power pools did not compete for 4 days? Which teams had "free agents"? Which teams were checked out? My point is your are talking out your a$$. Mn Select and A5 were resting players Top Select was missing 2017 Big10 FOY TAV was missing 3 girls and replaced them with 2 from Skyline Munci has 2 free agents including MVP of tourney ...there are many more but those are the ones I remember Boh is right on his free agent comment. I personally like power pools but if your tournament is not deep enough so that power pools have to be used is it really a “national championship” (please don’t start that debate)? It was a lackluster tourney by most teams based on college approaching imho but there was some very exciting competitive volleyball once gold brackets started. A lot of top teams could rest players in tournaments including USJO. Having an injured player like Top Select happens even in the championships. Don't know about Munci or TAV but it would seem strange that players would be replaced.
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Post by moody on Feb 12, 2018 22:21:14 GMT -5
Wow you are quite the expert on the AAU 18 Open Championship. Tell us which teams in the top power pools did not compete for 4 days? Which teams had "free agents"? Which teams were checked out? My point is your are talking out your a$$. Mn Select and A5 were resting players Top Select was missing 2017 Big10 FOY TAV was missing 3 girls and replaced them with 2 from Skyline Munci has 2 free agents including MVP of tourney ...there are many more but those are the ones I remember Boh is right on his free agent comment. I personally like power pools but if your tournament is not deep enough so that power pools have to be used is it really a “national championship” (please don’t start that debate)? It was a lackluster tourney by most teams based on college approaching imho but there was some very exciting competitive volleyball once gold brackets started. Looks like your memory sucks. Nia Robinson Competed for Munciana club team for four years … Named AAU All American … Named 2017 AAU 18 Open National Championship MVP after helping lead Munciana to a title ... Twice named AVCA/MaxPreps.com Indiana Player of the Week … Made High Honor Roll every semester … National Honor Society. So why do you have to lie?
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Post by ProfessorPlum on Feb 12, 2018 22:54:01 GMT -5
Mn Select and A5 were resting players Top Select was missing 2017 Big10 FOY TAV was missing 3 girls and replaced them with 2 from Skyline Munci has 2 free agents including MVP of tourney ...there are many more but those are the ones I remember Boh is right on his free agent comment. I personally like power pools but if your tournament is not deep enough so that power pools have to be used is it really a “national championship” (please don’t start that debate)? It was a lackluster tourney by most teams based on college approaching imho but there was some very exciting competitive volleyball once gold brackets started. Looks like your memory sucks. Nia Robinson Competed for Munciana club team for four years … Named AAU All American … Named 2017 AAU 18 Open National Championship MVP after helping lead Munciana to a title ... Twice named AVCA/MaxPreps.com Indiana Player of the Week … Made High Honor Roll every semester … National Honor Society. So why do you have to lie? Dude, relax. Mn Select Stud could have played but was in a boot as a precaution. I’m not your google monkey but 3 girls for TAV already went to college. They were replaced by Skyline players. Look it up. Why don’t you include that Mr Liar in your synopsis. Top Select RS played with that injury all year. She chose not to at AAU and not to attend and stay at UMinn where she was already in school. Munci added two girls that weren’t on their roster all year. That is fact...look it up Genius! One was a rock star and lead them at OH. If I was wrong and she didn’t win MVP she was certainly on the all tourney team. I was there. If I gave a crap what a 10 year old with a computer thought, I’d look it up for you. Venmo me Some cash bro and I’ll think about it. You really have an issue. Follow up: 1) Griere Hughes ... tell me what other tournies she played for Munci. FREE AGENT 2) jacqlyn Childress...played all year for Skyline. TAV roster for AAU ... FREE AGENT Those are just the simple ones identified on rosters as switches. There were others. I’ll give you a bonus from the year before: Some kid named Kathryn Plummer played all year at TStreet but showed up in Orlando in a Coast Jersey... FREE AGENT The rest of them you are on your own Bye bye Fool!
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Post by trainermch on Feb 12, 2018 23:33:42 GMT -5
Looks like your memory sucks. Nia Robinson Competed for Munciana club team for four years … Named AAU All American … Named 2017 AAU 18 Open National Championship MVP after helping lead Munciana to a title ... Twice named AVCA/MaxPreps.com Indiana Player of the Week … Made High Honor Roll every semester … National Honor Society. So why do you have to lie? Dude, relax. Mn Select Stud could have played but was in a boot as a precaution. I’m not your google monkey but 3 girls for TAV already went to college. They were replaced by Skyline players. Look it up. Why don’t you include that Mr Liar in your synopsis. Top Select RS played with that injury all year. She chose not to at AAU and not to attend and stay at UMinn where she was already in school. Munci added two girls that weren’t on their roster all year. That is fact...look it up Genius! One was a rock star and lead them at OH. If I was wrong and she didn’t win MVP she was certainly on the all tourney team. I was there. If I gave a crap what a 10 year old with a computer thought, I’d look it up for you. Venmo me Some cash bro and I’ll think about it. You really have an issue. Omg I will sleep well tonight. That was such a good read. Gnite.
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Post by moody on Feb 13, 2018 9:10:12 GMT -5
Wow you are quite the expert on the AAU 18 Open Championship. Tell us which teams in the top power pools did not compete for 4 days? Which teams had "free agents"? Which teams were checked out? My point is your are talking out your a$$. Mn Select and A5 were resting players Top Select was missing 2017 Big10 FOY TAV was missing 3 girls and replaced them with 2 from Skyline Munci has 2 free agents including MVP of tourney ...there are many more but those are the ones I remember Boh is right on his free agent comment. I personally like power pools but if your tournament is not deep enough so that power pools have to be used is it really a “national championship” (please don’t start that debate)? It was a lackluster tourney by most teams based on college approaching imho but there was some very exciting competitive volleyball once gold brackets started. the point being is NONE of this deligitimizes AAU's as a National Championship tournament. They go by different rules than does USJO's. So what? In the end there are very good teams competing in the last few days of that tournament. All could compete in the USJO open tournaments
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Post by reader on Feb 13, 2018 10:59:56 GMT -5
It's swell volleyball, but between the issues that power pools bring and the separate issues that 18s face in the spring of their senior year, it's just not as good as it could be. There's a lot working against this tournament that makes it difficult to be the best possible presentation of the 18 open game. It's still the best remaining teams or the best that could be assembled or whatever, but between early admits, resting before reporting and wanting a couple months as a normal high school kid you're not going to get to see the full strength of the class. No one is thrilled, but no one really disputes it.
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Post by boh on Feb 13, 2018 11:08:20 GMT -5
Mn Select and A5 were resting players Top Select was missing 2017 Big10 FOY TAV was missing 3 girls and replaced them with 2 from Skyline Munci has 2 free agents including MVP of tourney ...there are many more but those are the ones I remember Boh is right on his free agent comment. I personally like power pools but if your tournament is not deep enough so that power pools have to be used is it really a “national championship” (please don’t start that debate)? It was a lackluster tourney by most teams based on college approaching imho but there was some very exciting competitive volleyball once gold brackets started. the point being is NONE of this deligitimizes AAU's as a National Championship tournament. They go by different rules than does USJO's. So what? In the end there are very good teams competing in the last few days of that tournament. All could compete in the USJO open tournaments You don't get off that easy. Don't call everyone liars when we are stating facts, then when someone decides they are going to waste their time to show the facts instead of you doing your own damn research you just go off on some other tangent. You have already lost all credibility because you were ranting and raving about something unrelated to what you now claim to be your point because you were completely WRONG about your last argument. Who is the one talking out their backside again? Go away.
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