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Post by Wolfgang on Feb 6, 2018 23:23:27 GMT -5
Yes, that would've been a terrible loss.
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Post by Sorry Ass Sal on Feb 7, 2018 1:02:41 GMT -5
Hopefully Jar Jar Binks makes an appearance.
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Post by Wolfgang on Feb 7, 2018 2:23:42 GMT -5
1. Lando Calrissian -- Lando the younger years; cooperated with the Empire, if not outright collaborator, while he was with the Cloud City; The Empire Strikes Back seems to suggest Calrissian had a shady past, certainly one that involved Han Solo. Lando is a character in this Solo movie. Lando deserves his own movie.
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Post by ironhammer on Feb 7, 2018 5:40:21 GMT -5
Lucas....clearly something went wrong with him in the years between the end of the original trilogy and the prequels. Maybe he rested on his laurels for too long. He may have gotten rusty and lost his feel for what ideas make a good movie. Maybe all the praise and adoration heaped on the original trilogy went to his head and he felt he had a cache-blanche to make whatever Star Wars movie he pleases free from studio interference. Something similiar happened to Gene Roddenberry, the creator of Star Trek. Between the end of the original series and the Motion Picture in 1979, he developed some very strange and weird ideas about Trek. That proved unworkable on the big screen and the motion picture was a borefest as a result. Gene was then removed from the producer role for the rest of the Trek movies. The original trilogy had the Ewoks so clearly, he lost it during the time of the original trilogy. Haha, I suppose you could see it that way. For me though, ewoks are a very minor transgression compared to Jar Jar Binks. Jar Jar is just the absolutely worse character one could think of. Goes to show Lucas had completely lost touch with reality living in his own world. As much as he hated studio control or interference, it at least forced Lucas to justify some of his decisions and received honest feedback. Those things helped the original trilogy. And of course, it made him decide to let others write and direct Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi, probably a good decision in hindsight. Those two films were still made under the overall vision and control of Lucas, but by handing the actual moviemaking to people who can write a proper screenplay and direct actors well, it probably saved the sequels. That of course was not the case with the prequels.
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Post by mikegarrison on Feb 7, 2018 7:18:55 GMT -5
The original trilogy had the Ewoks so clearly, he lost it during the time of the original trilogy. Haha, I suppose you could see it that way. For me though, ewoks are a very minor transgression compared to Jar Jar Binks. Jar Jar is just the absolutely worse character one could think of. Goes to show Lucas had completely lost touch with reality living in his own world. As much as he hated studio control or interference, it at least forced Lucas to justify some of his decisions and received honest feedback. Those things helped the original trilogy. And of course, it made him decide to let others write and direct Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi, probably a good decision in hindsight. Those two films were still made under the overall vision and control of Lucas, but by handing the actual moviemaking to people who can write a proper screenplay and direct actors well, it probably saved the sequels. That of course was not the case with the prequels. Star Wars was not Lucas's first or only film. It's trendy to think of Lucas as some kind of lucky idiot, but: American GraffitiStar WarsEmpire Strikes BackRaiders Of The Lost ArkLabyrinthWillowTuckerIndiana Jones and the Last CrusadeThese films all had significant critical or commercial success. I've seen all of them except Tucker and Labyrinth, and they were all excellent. Lucas was involved in all of them as writer, producer, or director. But among those films there were also a list of bad ones (often sequels), like More American Graffiti, Indiana Jones and the Temple Of Doom, Howard The Duck. And of course the Star Wars prequels. Most of the movies he did in his early career were good or spectacular. Most of his best movies were in his early career. Most or all of the movies he did in his late career were flawed. Lucas's legacy is more complicated than "the prequels sucked because Lucas was an idiot".
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Post by ironhammer on Feb 7, 2018 8:20:23 GMT -5
Haha, I suppose you could see it that way. For me though, ewoks are a very minor transgression compared to Jar Jar Binks. Jar Jar is just the absolutely worse character one could think of. Goes to show Lucas had completely lost touch with reality living in his own world. As much as he hated studio control or interference, it at least forced Lucas to justify some of his decisions and received honest feedback. Those things helped the original trilogy. And of course, it made him decide to let others write and direct Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi, probably a good decision in hindsight. Those two films were still made under the overall vision and control of Lucas, but by handing the actual moviemaking to people who can write a proper screenplay and direct actors well, it probably saved the sequels. That of course was not the case with the prequels. Star Wars was not Lucas's first or only film. It's trendy to think of Lucas as some kind of lucky idiot, but: American GraffitiStar WarsEmpire Strikes BackRaiders Of The Lost ArkLabyrinthWillowTuckerIndiana Jones and the Last CrusadeThese films all had significant critical or commercial success. I've seen all of them except Tucker and Labyrinth, and they were all excellent. Lucas was involved in all of them as writer, producer, or director. But among those films there were also a list of bad ones (often sequels), like More American Graffiti, Indiana Jones and the Temple Of Doom, Howard The Duck. And of course the Star Wars prequels. Most of the movies he did in his early career were good or spectacular. Most of his best movies were in his early career. Most or all of the movies he did in his late career were flawed. Lucas's legacy is more complicated than "the prequels sucked because Lucas was an idiot". Now I didn't say Lucas was a lucky idiot, did I? I was talking about Star Wars, not the entirety of Lucas' career. And your point about his best films mostly been early in his career confirmed my point about him getting rusty. Besides graffiti, most of the films you listed wasn't directed by Lucas himself anyway. So perhaps he may have been better suited as a producer or behind-the-scenes creator than a director himself.
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Post by Wolfgang on Feb 7, 2018 15:13:25 GMT -5
I can't figure out if I like American Graffiti because of the soundtrack or because of the film's dramatic content. Often, the music makes a big difference. Without John Williams's stirring compositions, Star Wars is just a sci fi B-movie.
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Post by nowhereman on Feb 7, 2018 15:23:01 GMT -5
What did you read? C'mon, give us some specifics. When I read Johnson's reason for killing off Luke it just seemed weak. Enough to make me not want to invest any more time watching this stuff. another reason is all these other movies beyond the originals kind of remind me of Star Trek on tv when they got into the Next Generation, Deep Space Nine, Voyager and Enterprise. Seriously do we need that many? Not to mention the characters now just don't resonate like Darth Vader, yoda, The Emperor, Luke, Leia, Han solo and Obiwan Kenobi (alec Guinness was awesome).
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Post by ironhammer on Feb 7, 2018 20:48:44 GMT -5
What did you read? C'mon, give us some specifics. When I read Johnson's reason for killing off Luke it just seemed weak. Enough to make me not want to invest any more time watching this stuff. another reason is all these other movies beyond the originals kind of remind me of Star Trek on tv when they got into the Next Generation, Deep Space Nine, Voyager and Enterprise. Seriously do we need that many? Not to mention the characters now just don't resonate like Darth Vader, yoda, The Emperor, Luke, Leia, Han solo and Obiwan Kenobi (alec Guinness was awesome). Precisely. I am not necessarily against killing off main characters. But there should be a good reason for it. And I don't see that with Solo. I mean, Game of Thrones killed off a lot of central characters too, but you accept that because the remaining and new characters are still compelling to watch. The current crop of Star War main characters just seem like a pale shadow to the ones in the original trilogy. I can't help but say "meh".
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Post by mikegarrison on Feb 7, 2018 21:03:49 GMT -5
MI-5 (aka Spooks) started their first season with 10 "main cast" characters. The second episode was all about a veteran agent teaming up with a new agent to pose as husband and wife as the tried to infiltrate a right-wing conspiracy (both of them listed in the main cast). But the new agent makes a mistake and blows their cover. The first clue what this series was really like came when the criminals were interrogating them. They were in a kitchen and turned on a deep-fryer. Then they they stuck the hand of the young agent into the deep-fryer. The older agent didn't break, so they shoved her head into the fryer. Then they shot her executioner-style.
Up until that moment you are thinking that someone is going to rescue them, and then there is this brutal murder of a main cast member in only the second episode of the show! It was shocking.
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Post by gnu2vball on Feb 7, 2018 21:43:16 GMT -5
Haha, I suppose you could see it that way. For me though, ewoks are a very minor transgression compared to Jar Jar Binks. Jar Jar is just the absolutely worse character one could think of. Goes to show Lucas had completely lost touch with reality living in his own world. As much as he hated studio control or interference, it at least forced Lucas to justify some of his decisions and received honest feedback. Those things helped the original trilogy. And of course, it made him decide to let others write and direct Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi, probably a good decision in hindsight. Those two films were still made under the overall vision and control of Lucas, but by handing the actual moviemaking to people who can write a proper screenplay and direct actors well, it probably saved the sequels. That of course was not the case with the prequels. Star Wars was not Lucas's first or only film. It's trendy to think of Lucas as some kind of lucky idiot, but: American GraffitiStar WarsEmpire Strikes BackRaiders Of The Lost ArkLabyrinthWillowTuckerIndiana Jones and the Last CrusadeThese films all had significant critical or commercial success. I've seen all of them except Tucker and Labyrinth, and they were all excellent. Lucas was involved in all of them as writer, producer, or director. But among those films there were also a list of bad ones (often sequels), like More American Graffiti, Indiana Jones and the Temple Of Doom, Howard The Duck. And of course the Star Wars prequels. Most of the movies he did in his early career were good or spectacular. Most of his best movies were in his early career. Most or all of the movies he did in his late career were flawed. Lucas's legacy is more complicated than "the prequels sucked because Lucas was an idiot". You forgot THX-1138.
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Post by Wolfgang on Feb 8, 2018 12:58:29 GMT -5
In American Graffiti, one of my favorite scenes in film history was when an anonymous girl (played by Suzanne Somers) in a car mouths "I love you" to one of the main characters (played by Richard Dreyfuss) before she drives off. He's so taken by it -- hell, even believes it -- that he goes around searching for that girl for the duration of the movie. Even though I watched that film in the late 1970s, I still remember it so vividly today. It's one of those universal rites of passage of young men/boys where they dream of some day meeting a beautiful woman who falls head over heels in love with you -- and you didn't have to do a thing! I may have forgotten many many scenes in many many movies, but not that one.
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Post by mikegarrison on Feb 8, 2018 13:05:39 GMT -5
In American Graffiti, one of my favorite scenes in film history was when an anonymous girl (played by Suzanne Somers) in a car mouths "I love you" to one of the main characters (played by Richard Dreyfuss) before she drives off. He's so taken by it -- hell, even believes it -- that he goes around searching for that girl for the duration of the movie. Even though I watched that film in the late 1970s, I still remember it so vividly today. It's one of those universal rites of passage of young men/boys where they dream of some day meeting a beautiful woman who falls head over heels in love with you -- and you didn't have to do a thing! I may have forgotten many many scenes in many many movies, but not that one. It's the last thing he sees as he's flying away -- the girl in the T-bird.
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