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Post by VolleyballMag on Feb 9, 2018 18:11:21 GMT -5
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Post by vbkahuna on Feb 9, 2018 18:32:41 GMT -5
They'll definitely be a contender in the B1G this upcoming season..along with about 5 other teams. This could be a year of surprises in the B1G. Some newbies are starting to flex their muscles. Should be really interesting.
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Post by donut on Feb 9, 2018 18:33:22 GMT -5
Gist of the article: “we were inexperienced, inexperienced inexperienced!”
Also the part about Duello “making the most of her opportunity” is a nice way to put it...
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Post by Wolfgang on Feb 9, 2018 20:23:56 GMT -5
Does he play video games? If so, which are his favorites?
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Post by Wiswell on Feb 9, 2018 21:06:58 GMT -5
Does he play video games? If so, which are his favorites? I think his favorite video games are UW vs Nebraska and UW vs Texas. Least favorite video game: playing Stanford. |
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Post by ndodge on Feb 10, 2018 11:10:00 GMT -5
Does he play video games? If so, which are his favorites? You seem to maybe know who he is ! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2018 13:30:36 GMT -5
Gist of the article: “we were inexperienced, inexperienced inexperienced!” Which I struggle to understand: - They played the vast majority of the season with two six-rotation senior four-year-starters at outside hitter. How many other teams had that kind of experience on the left?
- They also started a two-time All-American junior middle blocker.
- Their two freshman starters arrived in the spring and had 8 months to train and acclimate to college life before playing their first match.
- One of their freshman was one of the most dominant players in the country all season, and will leave as one of the best players in collegiate history - experience be damned.
- Their opposite was in her third season in the program.
- Their libero started in the Big Ten at her previous school.
- Five of their six front row players were top-ten recruits coming out of high school. Texas is the only other school that can say that.
Just seems like a lot of excuses for a poor season, results-wise. A lot of teams would've loved to have that kind of "inexperience." |
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Post by BadgerAce42 on Feb 10, 2018 14:16:08 GMT -5
Oh, great, this one’s back to talk down another Wisconsin post or thread. Go away.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2018 14:25:15 GMT -5
Oh, great, this one’s back to talk down another Wisconsin post or thread. Go away. Surprisingly, the purpose of this forum isn't so that everyone can post about how much they all agree with each other. It's about the SHARING of ideas. As I've said before, people discussing Wisconsin volleyball (and volleyball in general) is a good thing. Grow up. |
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Post by donut on Feb 10, 2018 15:19:18 GMT -5
Gist of the article: “we were inexperienced, inexperienced inexperienced!” Which I struggle to understand: - They played the vast majority of the season with two six-rotation senior four-year-starters at outside hitter. How many other teams had that kind of experience on the left?
- They also started a two-time All-American junior middle blocker.
- Their two freshman starters arrived in the spring and had 8 months to train and acclimate to college life before playing their first match.
- One of their freshman was one of the most dominant players in the country all season, and will leave as one of the best players in collegiate history - experience be damned.
- Their opposite was in her third season in the program.
- Their libero started in the Big Ten at her previous school.
- Five of their six front row players were top-ten recruits coming out of high school. Texas is the only other school that can say that.
Just seems like a lot of excuses for a poor season, results-wise. A lot of teams would've loved to have that kind of "inexperience." No I completely agree. PLUS, one of their most “experienced” players was often the most ineffective player on the court, and when she was replaced by an “inexperienced” player, the team did observably better... |
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Post by pepperbrooks on Feb 10, 2018 16:02:56 GMT -5
Passing, terminating from the outside.
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Post by rainbowbadger on Feb 10, 2018 17:11:52 GMT -5
Which I struggle to understand: - They played the vast majority of the season with two six-rotation senior four-year-starters at outside hitter. How many other teams had that kind of experience on the left?
- They also started a two-time All-American junior middle blocker.
- Their two freshman starters arrived in the spring and had 8 months to train and acclimate to college life before playing their first match.
- One of their freshman was one of the most dominant players in the country all season, and will leave as one of the best players in collegiate history - experience be damned.
- Their opposite was in her third season in the program.
- Their libero started in the Big Ten at her previous school.
- Five of their six front row players were top-ten recruits coming out of high school. Texas is the only other school that can say that.
Just seems like a lot of excuses for a poor season, results-wise. A lot of teams would've loved to have that kind of "inexperience." No I completely agree. PLUS, one of their most “experienced” players was often the most ineffective player on the court, and when she was replaced by an “inexperienced” player, the team did observably better... This was a very frustrating season as a fan. Often I felt that we were so close and just couldn’t execute. The flashes of brilliance that came at times made the bad sets even harder. I can’t really say anything that hasn’t been said. I look forward to the fall. |
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Post by rainbowbadger on Feb 10, 2018 18:38:20 GMT -5
One more thought to add: it was especially hard because as a fan I am quite fond of our seniors, and I wished better for their final season.
But I see how they have grown as people and I am incredibly proud of them. I know they will do great things in life.
Forward to 2018.
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Post by badgerbreath on Feb 10, 2018 20:49:23 GMT -5
Inexperience could have played a key role in a number of specific ways - especially in those 5 setters the badgers kept losing this year. But I don't think it's as simple as counting the number of years players were starters, or the time they had in practice. It's more about the compromises the coaches felt they had to make, the lack of familiarity at key positions during the crunch time of long matches, the inability to make adjustements, and then the mental doubts that haunted the team once those 5-set losses started piling up.
I really like Hilley as a player, but early in the season she looked a little overburdened with learning all the elements of being a B1G setter in real competitive matches. She was in her head a lot - not always playing as free as she can. Sheff says she is an analyzer. You have to remember that she split time as setter and hitter in club and HS, so she just isn't as experienced coming in as some freshman. I remember watching her in person and you could almost see her trying to remember all the things she was supposed to do and remember. I felt it slowed her down a touch in some instances. For example, they were training her in preseason to change her setting technique to go off one foot, to get some more lift on outside sets. Also, her connection with Williams took a while to develop because the MB wasn't around in Spring. That meant she was afraid to go to Tionna in key moments, which made the offense one dimensional in some rotations when the chips were down.
Duello has not been a starter, and when she has played, she did not always play on the right, and she had not seen any real success coming into the season. Last year her playing time even in practice was limited. For her, any experience she had was actually a negative in my view, something she had to overcome in her head. Plus, she was playing a new inexperienced setter, who seemed to forget her at times. She did OK by the end of the year despite all this, but it was a challenge, especially in the beginning of the B1G.
Clark was a starter at Michigan, but not at libero, and not with this team. Her play was good, but her insertion disrupted the back row initially, with knock-on effects on Dodge's passing after she moved to DS and right back. Clark was also coming off an injury which limited her serving, and may have had an effect on her passing which got better as the season went on. She really struggled with bump setting - something it took a while for the team to adjust to. It didn't help that one of the most experienced players in the back row was hindered by a long term injury to her forearm.
Sheff leaned much more heavily on Bates and Gillis for leadership than he might if there was a more experienced crew around them. The coaches apparently (according to quoted interviews) had stats that indicated that the other players were better when Gillis was on the court. So one of the results of inexperience elsewhere on the team was that they felt they had to keep her in even when she really struggled. Even after Loberg was inserted, they had Gillis play back row rather than Dodd or Amac, I'm assuming for the same reason. Gillis put in a really good shift there at the end, but to me, Loberg's inexperience was a real problem for the team, since she was the one player capable of taking Haggerty's mantle.
Rettke's amazing play mitigated a lot of the problems with inexperience at other key positions, it's true. But she also often had difficulties on the block, fooled by the much more experienced setters she was facing. When that started happening, she had a hard time recovering, which again, I think is indicative of her lack of experience. She will get better in that respect.
All in all, it meant that at key moments the offense became too predictable, defense (and especially the block) got weaker, and doubt crept in and the service game got more conservative. That was a real problem in these 5 setters. Later in the season, I felt knock-on effects from problems earlier in the season.
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Post by badgerbreath on Feb 10, 2018 21:02:30 GMT -5
I will add, the upside is that I think the team will improve a lot next year in a lot of those aspects. I expect that Hilley will become a key leading force for the team going forward. It's her team now.
I also am really proud of Gillis and Bates. A lot was asked of them and they managed under all the pressure to grow up to be pretty amazing young women.
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