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Post by donut on Feb 14, 2018 21:38:13 GMT -5
UPDATED TOURNAMENT BRACKET
Round 5 voting link
Round 4 results
Round 5 will close Sunday, February 18th at 9 AM EST.
ROUND 5:
FINAL 4: Game 1: [2] 2008 Stanford | ALL-AMERICANS: Foluke Akinradewo, Cynthia Barboza, Alix Klineman--- def. [3] 2007 Cal with 90% of votes in Round 1 --- def. [4] 2002 Hawaii with 77.5% of votes in Round 2 --- def. [2] 2006 Stanford with 58.8% of votes in Round 3 --- def. [4] 2008 Texas with with 81.1% of votes in Round 4 VERSUS [1] 2007 Penn State | ALL-AMERICANS: Nicole Fawcett, Christa Harmotto, Megan Hodge, Alisha Glass --- def. [4] 2009 Minnesota with 94.9% of votes in Round 1 --- def. [2] 2003 Florida with 65% of votes in Round 2 --- def. [1] 2015 Nebraska with 79.4% votes in Round 3 --- def. [1] 2013 Penn State with 83.8% of votes in Round 4 Game 2:[1] 2003 USC | ALL-AMERICANS: Emily Adams, Keao Burdine, Bibiana Candelas, April Ross --- def. [4] 2006 Washington with 82.5% of votes in Round 1 --- def. [2] 2015 Texas with 65% of votes in Round 2 --- def. [2] 2009 Texas with 55.9% of votes in Round 3 --- def. [1] 2009 Penn State with 51.4% of votes in Round 4 VERSUS [1] 2008 Penn State | ALL-AMERICANS: Nicole Fawcett, Alisha Glass, Christa Harmotto, Megan Hodge, Blair Brown, Arielle Wilson --- def. [4] 2017 Stanford with 90% of votes in Round 1 --- def. [2] 2002 Stanford with 70% of votes in Round 2 --- def. [2] 2007 Stanford with 79.4% of votes in Round 3 --- def. [2] 2005 Nebraska with 81.8% of votes in Round 4
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Post by bballnut90 on Feb 15, 2018 6:17:25 GMT -5
2007 Penn State beat 2007 Stanford, who was stronger than 2008 Stanford. 2008 Stanford played virtually the same roster in the title game and was swept. 2007 Penn State is the pick here.
2008 Penn State over 2003 USC. A lot more fire power on the pins, a faster offense and better setting.
Looks like we’re headed for a showdown of 2007 vs 2008 where the lineups are identical besides 1 DS.
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Post by donut on Feb 15, 2018 13:17:45 GMT -5
2007 Penn State beat 2007 Stanford, who was stronger than 2008 Stanford. 2008 Stanford played virtually the same roster in the title game and was swept. 2007 Penn State is the pick here. Out of curiosity (not necessarily disagreeing with you), what's your reasoning behind 2007 Stanford > 2008 Stanford? Also, if you're going to use that line of thinking, 2008 Penn State was stronger than 2007 Penn State and 2007 Stanford beat 2007 Penn State earlier in the season.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 14:24:43 GMT -5
2007 Penn State beat 2007 Stanford, who was stronger than 2008 Stanford. 2008 Stanford played virtually the same roster in the title game and was swept. 2007 Penn State is the pick here. Out of curiosity (not necessarily disagreeing with you), what's your reasoning behind 2007 Stanford > 2008 Stanford? Bryn Kehoe. Much better competitor and leader. Cassidy Lichtman just wasn't as smooth running that offense and her connection with Akinradewo was cringe-worthy at times. She benefited from more experienced attackers than Kehoe had in the previous season (three seniors, no freshmen), whereas Kehoe had to put together a runner-up season with three freshmen on the floor. Her distribution was also much better. 2007 was also a slightly stronger year of volleyball, in general. Just a lil context: 2007 Stanford beat them early in five sets, but up until that point, Penn State was playing around with it's lineup. That was the first match that Arielle Wilson and Blair Brown both started and both finished the match. They then played the rest of the season in that configuration. Price became a full-time DS, Fawcett's backrow time was limited now that D'Errico had arrived, and Walbridge stayed on the bench. Penn State 2008 > Penn State 2009 > Penn State 2007.
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Post by WahineFan44 on Feb 15, 2018 14:35:58 GMT -5
Out of curiosity (not necessarily disagreeing with you), what's your reasoning behind 2007 Stanford > 2008 Stanford? Bryn Kehoe. Much better competitor and leader. Cassidy Lichtman just wasn't as smooth running that offense and her connection with Akinradewo was cringe-worthy at times. She benefited from more experienced attackers than Kehoe had in the previous season (three seniors, no freshmen), whereas Kehoe had to put together a runner-up season with three freshmen on the floor. Her distribution was also much better. 2007 was also a slightly stronger year of volleyball, in general. Just a lil context: 2007 Stanford beat them early in five sets, but up until that point, Penn State was playing around with it's lineup. That was the first match that Arielle Wilson and Blair Brown both started and both finished the match. They then played the rest of the season in that configuration. Price became a full-time DS, Fawcett's backrow time was limited now that D'Errico had arrived, and Walbridge stayed on the bench. Penn State 2008 > Penn State 2009 > Penn State 2007. Not saying you’re wrong because I’m sure you’ve seen these teams play about 938458 more times than me, but 2009 > 2007? Even by seasons end?
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Post by donut on Feb 15, 2018 14:43:03 GMT -5
Out of curiosity (not necessarily disagreeing with you), what's your reasoning behind 2007 Stanford > 2008 Stanford? Bryn Kehoe. Much better competitor and leader. Cassidy Lichtman just wasn't as smooth running that offense and her connection with Akinradewo was cringe-worthy at times. She benefited from more experienced attackers than Kehoe had in the previous season (three seniors, no freshmen), whereas Kehoe had to put together a runner-up season with three freshmen on the floor. Her distribution was also much better. 2007 was also a slightly stronger year of volleyball, in general. I agree that Kehoe --> Lichtman was an obvious step down, by Klineman 2007 --> Klineman 2008 was also an upgrade. Yep yep. I think it's easy for a lot of fans to group those 4 years of Penn State volleyball together as such a dominant dynasty (which isn't completely inaccurate) but 2007 and 2010 Penn State both definitely had their weaknesses. I don't remember Brown having much of a presence in 2007.
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Post by bigfan on Feb 15, 2018 14:43:53 GMT -5
Pac 12 to win it all.
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Post by donut on Feb 15, 2018 14:49:25 GMT -5
Bryn Kehoe. Much better competitor and leader. Cassidy Lichtman just wasn't as smooth running that offense and her connection with Akinradewo was cringe-worthy at times. She benefited from more experienced attackers than Kehoe had in the previous season (three seniors, no freshmen), whereas Kehoe had to put together a runner-up season with three freshmen on the floor. Her distribution was also much better. 2007 was also a slightly stronger year of volleyball, in general. Just a lil context: 2007 Stanford beat them early in five sets, but up until that point, Penn State was playing around with it's lineup. That was the first match that Arielle Wilson and Blair Brown both started and both finished the match. They then played the rest of the season in that configuration. Price became a full-time DS, Fawcett's backrow time was limited now that D'Errico had arrived, and Walbridge stayed on the bench. Penn State 2008 > Penn State 2009 > Penn State 2007. Not saying you’re wrong because I’m sure you’ve seen these teams play about 938458 more times than me, but 2009 > 2007? Even by seasons end? 2009 Penn State beat the best Texas team of all time 3-2 (same result as 2007 Penn State/Stanford) after going undefeated through the season. Even if you count their tournament resumés as draws, you give 2009 Penn State the nod for the regular season. Hodge, Glass, Brown and Wilson we all also much better in 2009. IMO, idk if 2007 Penn State would have gotten past 2007 Nebraska if 2007 Nebraska didn't have their "chemistry issues" which emerged during the tourney. That 2007 Nebraska team had NASTY talent.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 14:57:02 GMT -5
Bryn Kehoe. Much better competitor and leader. Cassidy Lichtman just wasn't as smooth running that offense and her connection with Akinradewo was cringe-worthy at times. She benefited from more experienced attackers than Kehoe had in the previous season (three seniors, no freshmen), whereas Kehoe had to put together a runner-up season with three freshmen on the floor. Her distribution was also much better. 2007 was also a slightly stronger year of volleyball, in general. Just a lil context: 2007 Stanford beat them early in five sets, but up until that point, Penn State was playing around with it's lineup. That was the first match that Arielle Wilson and Blair Brown both started and both finished the match. They then played the rest of the season in that configuration. Price became a full-time DS, Fawcett's backrow time was limited now that D'Errico had arrived, and Walbridge stayed on the bench. Penn State 2008 > Penn State 2009 > Penn State 2007. Not saying you’re wrong because I’m sure you’ve seen these teams play about 938458 more times than me, but 2009 > 2007? Even by seasons end? Without a single doubt in my mind. That 2007 team could be really ugly sometimes, but not unexpectedly; they started five freshmen/sophomores and zero seniors. 2009's upperclassmen core four were better than the entire 2007 team. Plus, 2009 had PSU's best player of the decade: Cathy Quilico.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 15:01:34 GMT -5
Bryn Kehoe. Much better competitor and leader. Cassidy Lichtman just wasn't as smooth running that offense and her connection with Akinradewo was cringe-worthy at times. She benefited from more experienced attackers than Kehoe had in the previous season (three seniors, no freshmen), whereas Kehoe had to put together a runner-up season with three freshmen on the floor. Her distribution was also much better. 2007 was also a slightly stronger year of volleyball, in general. I agree that Kehoe --> Lichtman was an obvious step down, by Klineman 2007 --> Klineman 2008 was also an upgrade. I forgot to add the most important difference: Jessica Fishburn was back in the lineup in 2008. Not great. And I don't think Klineman was significantly better as a sophomore than a freshman. As a senior, however, she had one of the best, if not THE best, season for an outside hitter in NCAA history.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 15:05:46 GMT -5
Just a lil context: 2007 Stanford beat them early in five sets, but up until that point, Penn State was playing around with it's lineup. That was the first match that Arielle Wilson and Blair Brown both started and both finished the match. They then played the rest of the season in that configuration. Price became a full-time DS, Fawcett's backrow time was limited now that D'Errico had arrived, and Walbridge stayed on the bench. Penn State 2008 > Penn State 2009 > Penn State 2007. Yep yep. I think it's easy for a lot of fans to group those 4 years of Penn State volleyball together as such a dominant dynasty (which isn't completely inaccurate) but 2007 and 2010 Penn State both definitely had their weaknesses. I don't remember Brown having much of a presence in 2007. She didn't. Hell, she didn't have much of a presence in 2008 either. She just quietly hit like .400 and averaged a block per set. I usually don't include 2010 PSU in these discussions because they were arguably the biggest hot mess to win a title in the modern era.
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Post by WahineFan44 on Feb 15, 2018 16:02:08 GMT -5
I agree that Kehoe --> Lichtman was an obvious step down, by Klineman 2007 --> Klineman 2008 was also an upgrade. I forgot to add the most important difference: Jessica Fishburn was back in the lineup in 2008. Not great. And I don't think Klineman was significantly better as a sophomore than a freshman. As a senior, however, she had one of the best, if not THE best, season for an outside hitter in NCAA history. I didn’t realize how well Klineman played in 2010 till now. I know she was robbed but the girl didn’t hit below .200 all season. And her lowest was .231. She hit above .300 23/30 times. I don’t think this will ever happen again. Most middles don’t even have the season she had
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Post by donut on Feb 20, 2018 11:39:03 GMT -5
Closing the form now because 1) wanted to give posters some extra time and 2) I was drunk in a cabin yesterday and forgot.
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Post by donut on Feb 21, 2018 21:10:16 GMT -5
So pretty big update:
There were a total of 166 votes this round. Unbelievable (considering the most votes any other round has gotten is 40 votes), amiright? WELL, that's because some @$$%*!* decided to vote ~110 times.
Ultimately this is my fault - I forgot to select the setting "Limit to 1 vote" for this round. However, still pretty !!!!###$$$!!!ing disappointed in the moron who !!!!###$$$!!!ed this up. Hope you got enjoyment out of this.
ONWARDS AND UPWARDS THOUGH WITH TWO OPTIONS: 1. I can tell via the timestamps on the results which votes were duplicitous (they were all also for the same 2 teams). It probably won't be perfect, but it saves us having to redo the round.
OR
2. We can redo the round (same voting link, deleting the results, limiting to 1 vote by forcing log-in).
Those of you who have enjoyed this, mind sharing your thoughts on the 2 options above? Sorry again everyone - I know this isn't the most seamless experience. Never done this before so learning as I go.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2018 21:22:18 GMT -5
Can you even imagine convincing yourself that you just HAVE to commit VT voter fraud
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