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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2018 22:33:51 GMT -5
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Post by Wolfgang on Apr 10, 2018 22:44:34 GMT -5
Gosh...you beat me to it. The ALL CAPS font, too!
Dagnabbit!
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Post by Wolfgang on Apr 10, 2018 22:45:03 GMT -5
I'm not clicking on that. Summary please.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2018 6:06:38 GMT -5
I'm not clicking on that. Summary please. It isn't what you think it is. That seems to be their main point -- that the Roman Empire didn't end with the fall of Rome and that the "Byzantine Empire" is something of a misnomer.
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Post by mikegarrison on Apr 11, 2018 7:51:23 GMT -5
I'm not clicking on that. Summary please. It isn't what you think it is. That seems to be their main point -- that the Roman Empire didn't end with the fall of Rome and that the "Byzantine Empire" is something of a misnomer. But ... that's exactly what I did think it was: the continuation of the Roman Empire. So now you have created a paradox!
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Post by ironhammer on Apr 11, 2018 8:58:16 GMT -5
So what were the Byzantines thinking when they saw the fall of Constantinople to the Ottomans in 1453?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2018 9:02:08 GMT -5
"Dammit. Thought it would be the sofas, for sure."
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2018 12:22:52 GMT -5
Does Political Ramblings count as history?
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Post by gnu2vball on Apr 11, 2018 12:42:18 GMT -5
Does Political Ramblings count as history? Only over the last 200 years. Or is it the other way around?
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Post by future on Apr 11, 2018 13:01:53 GMT -5
good thing that Justinian had a wife with a backbone.
The Nika riots, which began during a hippodrome chariot race as a rivalry between two political factions in the year 532, declared a new emperor and overwhelmed sitting Emperor Justinian and his forces. Justinian and his government council were ready to flee the country when the empress spoke up in the meeting. And because she used part of her short remarks to shut down complaints that a woman should not be speaking in public, we today get a glimpse of how unusual her speech was for its day. Here it is in full:
My lords, the present occasion is too serious to allow me to follow the convention that a woman should not speak in a man’s council. Those whose interests are threatened by extreme danger should think only of the wisest course of action, not of conventions.
In my opinion, flight is not the right course, even if it should bring us to safety. It is impossible for a person, having been born into this world, not to die; but for one who has reigned it is intolerable to be a fugitive. May I never be deprived of this purple robe, and may I never see the day when those who meet me do not call me empress.
If you wish to save yourself, my lord, there is no difficulty. We are rich; over there is the sea, and yonder are the ships. Yet reflect for a moment whether, when you have once escaped to a place of security, you would not gladly exchange such safety for death. As for me, I agree with the adage that the royal purple is the noblest shroud.
Instead of fleeing, the emperor and his officers attacked the rebels, killing a reported 30,000 and saving the throne. No wonder this short speech has been retold again and again through the centuries.
This "actress" arguably saved the Byzantine Empire.
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Post by mikegarrison on Apr 11, 2018 13:06:45 GMT -5
I have read at least three fictional retellings of the Nika Riots. And I supposed I lived through at least one semi-analog when China put down the Tiananmen Square protests. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nika_riots
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2018 14:44:24 GMT -5
I think Jesus most likely existed. Not necessarily a divine God-like human, but a person to fit the character in biblical and related text. I do not believe in a historic global flood, but it seems each long-existent culture has a flood story. Perhaps there was a great flood in one region that became a legend.
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Post by Wolfgang on Apr 11, 2018 16:23:23 GMT -5
Water (and the immersion in water) has always represented the "cleansing" or "washing" away of sins. See, also, baptism in a lake. If there's a flood, that means God was unhappy about how man was behaving and decided to wash away the sins in one fell swoop. That's all it was. Perhaps there was an actual flood in the Middle East way back when and a few people decided to use it literally when they were writing the Noah story. Anyway, there is always a flood in one region or another. Hell, a lot of those Southern states (e.g., Texas, Alabama, Georgia, Mississippi, Louisiana) always suffer through floods every year. I suppose the people there need more spiritual cleansing more than any other, if you go by the Biblical utility of floods.
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Post by gnu2vball on Apr 11, 2018 17:35:10 GMT -5
Water (and the immersion in water) has always represented the "cleansing" or "washing" away of sins. See, also, baptism in a lake. If there's a flood, that means God was unhappy about how man was behaving and decided to wash away the sins in one fell swoop. That's all it was. Perhaps there was an actual flood in the Middle East way back when and a few people decided to use it literally when they were writing the Noah story. Anyway, there is always a flood in one region or another. Hell, a lot of those Southern states (e.g., Texas, Alabama, Georgia, Mississippi, Louisiana) always suffer through floods every year. I suppose the people there need more spiritual cleansing more than any other, if you go by the Biblical utility of floods. Do you think only white people in the South are adversely effected by floods? What about people in Minnesota, Illinois, and other portions of the upper Midwest... what sins are they paying for? Or California?
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Post by Wolfgang on Apr 11, 2018 17:43:44 GMT -5
Water (and the immersion in water) has always represented the "cleansing" or "washing" away of sins. See, also, baptism in a lake. If there's a flood, that means God was unhappy about how man was behaving and decided to wash away the sins in one fell swoop. That's all it was. Perhaps there was an actual flood in the Middle East way back when and a few people decided to use it literally when they were writing the Noah story. Anyway, there is always a flood in one region or another. Hell, a lot of those Southern states (e.g., Texas, Alabama, Georgia, Mississippi, Louisiana) always suffer through floods every year. I suppose the people there need more spiritual cleansing more than any other, if you go by the Biblical utility of floods. Do you think only white people in the South are adversely effected by floods? What about people in Minnesota, Illinois, and other portions of the upper Midwest... what sins are they paying for? Or California? Man is always sinning. Evil people, the lot of them. Anyway, I did say "if you go by the Biblical utility of floods." So, if you don't buy that floods are metaphors for the "washing away of sins," then that's fine, too.
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