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Post by akbar on Apr 11, 2018 18:13:06 GMT -5
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Post by mikegarrison on Apr 11, 2018 18:24:34 GMT -5
Possible sources for the "great flood" myths other than regular old seasonal flooding:
1) glacial outburst flooding 2) the flooding of the Black Sea
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2018 19:00:13 GMT -5
Water (and the immersion in water) has always represented the "cleansing" or "washing" away of sins. See, also, baptism in a lake. If there's a flood, that means God was unhappy about how man was behaving and decided to wash away the sins in one fell swoop. That's all it was. Perhaps there was an actual flood in the Middle East way back when and a few people decided to use it literally when they were writing the Noah story. Anyway, there is always a flood in one region or another. Hell, a lot of those Southern states (e.g., Texas, Alabama, Georgia, Mississippi, Louisiana) always suffer through floods every year. I suppose the people there need more spiritual cleansing more than any other, if you go by the Biblical utility of floods. Do you think only white people in the South are adversely effected by floods? What about people in Minnesota, Illinois, and other portions of the upper Midwest... what sins are they paying for? Or California? Why the need to specify white people?
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Post by gnu2vball on Apr 11, 2018 20:00:45 GMT -5
Do you think only white people in the South are adversely effected by floods? What about people in Minnesota, Illinois, and other portions of the upper Midwest... what sins are they paying for? Or California? Why the need to specify white people? Why the need to specify the South? Look, I should have let it go and I'm leaving it go. Have a nice evening.
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Post by ironhammer on Apr 11, 2018 20:53:30 GMT -5
Speaking of history, now for some reason the image of Charlton Heston as Ben-Hur suddenly and inexplicably appear in my mind...
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Post by maɡˈnōlēə on Apr 12, 2018 3:11:09 GMT -5
What is "history" anyway? It's the retelling of events from the perspective of the victors.
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Post by ironhammer on Apr 12, 2018 4:15:57 GMT -5
What is "history" anyway? It's the retelling of events from the perspective of the victors. Yes, if you are are referring to official history as stated by government sources or generally those that want to put a particular (biased) slant on certain historical events and approved by the people in power. But most respectable historians would dread being labelled as a panglossian (hehe, I do love the use of occasional fancy words) .
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Post by mikegarrison on Apr 12, 2018 8:57:27 GMT -5
What is "history" anyway? It's the retelling of events from the perspective of the victors. Yes, if you are are referring to official history as stated by government sources or generally those that want to put a particular (biased) slant on certain historical events and approved by the people in power. But most respectable historians would dread being labelled as a panglossian (hehe, I do love the use of occasional fancy words) ;). Perhaps it would be best if you used them correctly then. What you describe, "history as stated by government sources or generally those that want to put a particular (biased) slant on certain historical events and approved by the people in power" is not "panglossian". Panglossian would be an apologetic viewpoint that the current state of affairs is the best we could have hoped for. There is only some overlap between that and distortion of history from the point of view of the victors.
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Post by dc on Apr 12, 2018 9:01:41 GMT -5
Yes, if you are are referring to official history as stated by government sources or generally those that want to put a particular (biased) slant on certain historical events and approved by the people in power. But most respectable historians would dread being labelled as a panglossian (hehe, I do love the use of occasional fancy words) . Perhaps it would be best if you used them correctly then. What you describe, "history as stated by government sources or generally those that want to put a particular (biased) slant on certain historical events and approved by the people in power" is not "panglossian". Panglossian would be an apologetic viewpoint that the current state of affairs is the best we could have hoped for. There is only some overlap between that and distortion of history from the point of view of the victors. I don't understand all this mumbo jumbo! I understand only one thing, I'm living in the best of all possible worlds
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Post by ironhammer on Apr 12, 2018 9:02:26 GMT -5
Yes, if you are are referring to official history as stated by government sources or generally those that want to put a particular (biased) slant on certain historical events and approved by the people in power. But most respectable historians would dread being labelled as a panglossian (hehe, I do love the use of occasional fancy words) . Perhaps it would be best if you used them correctly then. What you describe, "history as stated by government sources or generally those that want to put a particular (biased) slant on certain historical events and approved by the people in power" is not "panglossian". Panglossian would be an apologetic viewpoint that the current state of affairs is the best we could have hoped for. There is only some overlap between that and distortion of history from the point of view of the victors. No, I used it correctly. Its usually a panglossian who is naive enough to gloss over the problems, inconvenient facts and ugly past that a government is only too willing to hide. Now, don't be pedantic and look for errors that don't exist.
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Post by Northern lights on Apr 12, 2018 12:03:32 GMT -5
When does History start?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2018 12:33:43 GMT -5
Why the need to specify white people? Why the need to specify the South? Look, I should have let it go and I'm leaving it go. Have a nice evening. Because financial response to floods in the South have traditionally been slow.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2018 13:29:29 GMT -5
As far back as you can go. Pre-Big Bang would be nice.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2018 13:41:53 GMT -5
As far back as you can go. Pre-Big Bang would be nice. The unmoved mover.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2018 13:56:23 GMT -5
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