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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2018 14:02:02 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2018 14:10:05 GMT -5
I know. They belong in The GEOGRAPHY thread. But Wolfgang hasn't gotten around to it yet.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2018 14:46:19 GMT -5
A better question is "Where does History end?" --at what point do current events become history
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Post by gnu2vball on Apr 12, 2018 16:15:33 GMT -5
A better question is "Where does History end?" --at what point do current events become history Next week?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2018 16:34:54 GMT -5
History of what?
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Post by hammer on Apr 12, 2018 16:55:32 GMT -5
We shall go on to the end. We shall fight in France, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be. We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender ...
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Post by maɡˈnōlēə on Apr 12, 2018 16:58:28 GMT -5
A better question is "Where does History end?" --at what point do current events become history Next week? The moment after they happen. I think in the context of what becomes historically significant I believe it's an event that causes change: be it societal change, governmental change or just change of minds. Oftentimes we don't realize history in the making until long after and other times right when it happens (example: the Berlin wall coming down in the early 90's). Anyway what I think ultimately matters to us personally is what we make of the now. It's the only controllable. History can be rewritten and rewritten again, we can't REALLY go back and change the past and how it affected the people in that time. The future is being written by the present moment and ultimately while it's important to understand how history shaped our current world ultimately it is the people in our everyday lives that we affect the most. Make the best of the now and the future looks better and eventually historically you'll be remembered fondly (hopefully) or at least with great respect.
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Post by ironhammer on Apr 12, 2018 22:39:21 GMT -5
The moment after they happen. I think in the context of what becomes historically significant I believe it's an event that causes change: be it societal change, governmental change or just change of minds. Oftentimes we don't realize history in the making until long after and other times right when it happens (example: the Berlin wall coming down in the early 90's). Anyway what I think ultimately matters to us personally is what we make of the now. It's the only controllable. History can be rewritten and rewritten again, we can't REALLY go back and change the past and how it affected the people in that time. The future is being written by the present moment and ultimately while it's important to understand how history shaped our current world ultimately it is the people in our everyday lives that we affect the most. Make the best of the now and the future looks better and eventually historically you'll be remembered fondly (hopefully) or at least with great respect. Of course, in terms of real life physics, time travel into the past is impossible (the grandfather paradox). Still, the prevalence of time travelling stories in popular culture do point to a continuing fascination with the idea. So, let's suppose for a moment somehow you can travel into the past, when and where will you go?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2018 23:03:07 GMT -5
The moment after they happen. I think in the context of what becomes historically significant I believe it's an event that causes change: be it societal change, governmental change or just change of minds. Oftentimes we don't realize history in the making until long after and other times right when it happens (example: the Berlin wall coming down in the early 90's). Anyway what I think ultimately matters to us personally is what we make of the now. It's the only controllable. History can be rewritten and rewritten again, we can't REALLY go back and change the past and how it affected the people in that time. The future is being written by the present moment and ultimately while it's important to understand how history shaped our current world ultimately it is the people in our everyday lives that we affect the most. Make the best of the now and the future looks better and eventually historically you'll be remembered fondly (hopefully) or at least with great respect. Of course, in terms of real life physics, time travel into the past is impossible (the grandfather paradox). Still, the prevalence of time travelling stories in popular culture do point to a continuing fascination with the idea. So, let's suppose for a moment somehow you can travel into the past, when and where will you go? Isn't there a scientific theory from quantum mechanics that says if you can imagine it, that it is possible? If so, time travel is a theoretical reality. I thought the grandfather paradox only meant that you could not go back and take actions which eliminated you from the future/current time-stream.
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Post by Wolfgang on Apr 13, 2018 0:08:21 GMT -5
History cannot end until I've upgraded all my skills in Crysis 3.
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Post by ironhammer on Apr 13, 2018 0:49:39 GMT -5
Of course, in terms of real life physics, time travel into the past is impossible (the grandfather paradox). Still, the prevalence of time travelling stories in popular culture do point to a continuing fascination with the idea. So, let's suppose for a moment somehow you can travel into the past, when and where will you go? Isn't there a scientific theory from quantum mechanics that says if you can imagine it, that it is possible? If so, time travel is a theoretical reality. I thought the grandfather paradox only meant that you could not go back and take actions which eliminated you from the future/current time-stream. You are correct, according to various ideas in physics, it is possible to travel to the past, but it will always be in a situation where you are unable to alter the timeline (i.e. assassinate Hitler or Napoleon). So you would in effect be a mere observer, hence avoiding the grandfather paradox. However, that is not firm accepted science at this point, but still a theory in development (with experiments) about the possibilities of time travel allowed in physics. In general, the grandfather paradox still holds true: And then there are the loopy ideas involving mutliverses. According to that even more strange theory, you can indeed travel to the past and seemingly alter the timeline (i.e. kill Hitler before his rise to power). But when you changed the timeline, you are not actually changing the original timeline, but in an alternate universe where the new timeline will become reality. So, if you return to the your original timeline, you will find the historical event that you've changed remains unaltered. So those are some ways to get around the grandfather paradox...in theory.
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Post by maɡˈnōlēə on Apr 13, 2018 9:15:44 GMT -5
Maybe someone is traveling to the past and altering things, hence the Mandela Effect! 🙊
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Post by Northern lights on Apr 13, 2018 9:31:40 GMT -5
What is considered the most significant invention in modern history? The printing press. It was the beginning of the end for the Catholic Church. Imagine going to Church and the Priest walks in wearing silk robes, and stands in front of the Holy Book and recites it to the mostly illiterate congregation in Latin. The whole thing was mystical and powerful. The printing press allowed for the Bible to be published in other languages, and for the first time many could actually learn it's contents away from the Church setting. I would personally liken it to the modern day influence of the internet. An explosion of available information. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Printing_press"In Renaissance Europe, the arrival of mechanical movable type printing introduced the era of mass communication, which permanently altered the structure of society. The relatively unrestricted circulation of information and (revolutionary) ideas transcended borders, captured the masses in the Reformation and threatened the power of political and religious authorities. The sharp increase in literacy broke the monopoly of the literate elite on education and learning and bolstered the emerging middle class. Across Europe, the increasing cultural self-awareness of its peoples led to the rise of proto-nationalism, and accelerated by the development of European vernacular languages, to the detriment of Latin's status as lingua franca."
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Post by Northern lights on Apr 13, 2018 9:35:24 GMT -5
Had to google this.
lin·gua fran·ca [ˌliNGɡwə ˈfraNGkə]
NOUN a language that is adopted as a common language between speakers whose native languages are different.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2018 11:22:18 GMT -5
Wait. The Catholic Church ended?
For the record, the end of the printing press was the end of my career. Eventually. (OK. Also not quite dead yet. The printing press. But really not doing well.)
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