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Post by volleypsq on Apr 25, 2018 16:04:35 GMT -5
Find it QUITE Fascinating (not!) that when pre-school-trollers know that a mod is watching a thread (some members are in contact w/); they seem to INSTANTLY change their behavior/disappear? What is a pre school troller? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2018 16:13:45 GMT -5
2. Regardless of the legal culpability of Michigan State or George, it is disappointing to read her response. *her characterized response. The conversation supposedly occurred over 20 years ago. George has been the coach at MSU since 2005. Why haven't her comments or this conversation been reported on before? I really hope we aren't willing to destroy a women's career -- one of the few women head coaches in the D1 game -- because a convenient way to tether her to MSU's failings with Nassar and take advantage of that tragedy has fallen in our laps. Butler is responsible for Butler's crimes, no one else. Butler is responsible for Butler's crimes, no one else. Butler is responsible for Butler's crimes, no one else. I cannot state emphatically enough how unfair it is that George is bearing the weight of this accusation. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2018 16:17:43 GMT -5
"Pre-school-troller": A poster who has a (well known & documented) track-record of: baiting other members (starting rather innocuously); feigning outrage when the other posters respond to 'em; reacting w/ assumed innocence when they are called out on their disingenuous, duplicitous, plus contrived attitude. All w/ their desired outcome of locking down a thread: Particularly-especially Butler threads! This has been a well-chronicled phenomenon: ever since the initial Chicago Sun-Times investigative reporting.
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Post by donut on Apr 25, 2018 16:17:43 GMT -5
2. Regardless of the legal culpability of Michigan State or George, it is disappointing to read her response. *her characterized response. The conversation supposedly occurred over 20 years ago. George has been the coach at MSU since 2005. Why haven't her comments or this conversation been reported on before? I really hope we aren't willing to destroy a women's career -- one of the few women head coaches in the D1 game -- because a convenient way to tether her to MSU's failings with Nassar and take advantage of that tragedy has fallen in our laps. Butler is responsible for Butler's crimes, no one else. Butler is responsible for Butler's crimes, no one else. Butler is responsible for Butler's crimes, no one else. I cannot state emphatically enough how unfair it is that George is bearing the weight of this accusation. I should have clarified - I was not placing the blame on George. I can only imagine how hard being a HC as a woman in 1995 was. I would think that as a woman, George, if she could've, would've done anything she could to rectify the situation. I am more disappointed in the patriarchal society we live in, that obviously plays a larger role than I would like to admit in the volleyball world. |
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Post by BuckysHeat on Apr 25, 2018 16:37:43 GMT -5
"Pre-school-troller": A poster who has a (well known & documented) track-record of: baiting other members (starting rather innocuously); feigning outrage when the other posters respond to 'em; reacting w/ assumed innocence when they are called out on their disingenuous, duplicitous, plus contrived attitude. All w/ their desired outcome of locking-down a thread: Particularly-especially Butler threads! This has been a well-chronicled phenomenon: ever since the initial Chicago Sun-Times investigative reporting. that narrows it down to about 600 posters (probably more). However, I did read through (or at least 20 pages before it became beyond meaningless) the Sun times thread earlier today. What I noticed was anybody who did not have a pitch fork in their hand with a torch in the other was immediately torn apart (Hawk attack mostly) for not toeing the line that several posters had laid down. That is precisely why all the other thread eventually get locked. It is not "new troll accounts", it is not Butler supporters with agendas, it is people who cannot have a conversation without resorting to insults and bullying because another person dares to ask a question or question anything. |
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Post by volleypsq on Apr 25, 2018 18:03:51 GMT -5
...So don't any of you dare tell me what I said only seeks to harm the kids. In seeking to protect my players, my community and OUR kids, I've been ridiculed. I've been threatened. I've had my character questioned. I've had people try to place my career and job in jeopardy. And I've stood by and took it all knowing that I was doing so for the safety of kids, my players, the community that I've given my life to, and the community that gave me what I have today.
If you have a better idea, I'd love to hear it. And then I'd love to see you get off your ass and actually do something about it, because if some of you spent half as much time taking action as you do sitting in judgment of those that actually are, this world may just be a better place after all "to protect my players, my community and OUR kids" If she wants to protect her players and she feels strongly about not playing a SPVB team or in their facility, then she has that right to not take her team there. Rick Butler has been stripped of coaching youth from all of the governing bodies of volleyball. He can not be prosecuted under the law so he is only accused of the crimes (I am in no way defending his actions of the 1980-1995 or am I suggesting that he didn't use his power to have sex with the girls) I am saying that the fact that a man got stripped of his profession from accusations is pretty strong. He is a citizen, he can go to volleyball tournaments, he is not a convicted pedafile. He can own a volleyball gym and if parents want to send their girls there for training, then that is the prerogative of those parents. He can operate as many camps as he wants, if you don't like him or don't want to associate with him, then don't go to them. I am truly sorry for the pain and suffering that these young woman have gone through, but I think that the banning of him from coaching and the information of his past is public and available (which it now is). I don't think that he needs to be put upon a stake, thrown stones at and then left to bleed to death. |
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Post by volleypsq on Apr 25, 2018 18:19:53 GMT -5
"Pre-school-troller": A poster who has a (well known & documented) track-record of: baiting other members (starting rather innocuously); feigning outrage when the other posters respond to 'em; reacting w/ assumed innocence when they are called out on their disingenuous, duplicitous, plus contrived attitude. All w/ their desired outcome of locking-down a thread: Particularly-especially Butler threads! This has been a well-chronicled phenomenon: ever since the initial Chicago Sun-Times investigative reporting. To clarify, I am not a troll, however, when I stated an opposing opinion to the ridding volleyball of Rick Butler, it was told on the forum, not to reply to me. I will say, I am a parent of a SPVB girl. This is her third club that she has been to. She had her full ride scholarship before she ever stepped foot in the club. So the desire to go to SPVB was not ever about the scholi, but about the type of players that are there, the type of training that she gets, the amount of hours that the coaching staff put in without extra costs and the coaches that believe in her. She went to the club so that she could be better and get more training than the other clubs around provide -- to take her vball to the next level. I knew of the allegations of Rick Butler before I went to SPVB, his past actions were also used by other clubs as to why I shouldn't take my daughter there and why we should train there. I met with him and Cheryl before I signed her up, I gathered my information from current parents of SPVB and made an informed consumer decision. You can ask me questions about my experiences at the club and about the two other clubs in the chicago land area that my daughter has played for or had training at. But please don't tell me that my daughter is in grave danger. Because she is not. |
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Post by maɡˈnōlēə on Apr 25, 2018 18:22:22 GMT -5
Find it Quite fascinating (Not!) that when most of the pre-school-trollers know that a mod is watching a thread (some members are in contact with moderators); they seem to INSTANTLY change their behavior/disappear? Once again dirty birdy, what on earth are you saying? Speak English please. Edited to add: Nevermind you clarified. (I think) |
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Post by maɡˈnōlēə on Apr 25, 2018 18:32:11 GMT -5
"Pre-school-troller": A poster who has a (well known & documented) track-record of: baiting other members (starting rather innocuously); feigning outrage when the other posters respond to 'em; reacting w/ assumed innocence when they are called out on their disingenuous, duplicitous, plus contrived attitude. All w/ their desired outcome of locking-down a thread: Particularly-especially Butler threads! This has been a well-chronicled phenomenon: ever since the initial Chicago Sun-Times investigative reporting. that narrows it down to about 600 posters (probably more). However, I did read through (or at least 20 pages before it became beyond meaningless) the Sun times thread earlier today. What I noticed was anybody who did not have a pitch fork in their hand with a torch in the other was immediately torn apart (Hawk attack mostly) for not toeing the line that several posters had laid down. That is precisely why all the other thread eventually get locked. It is not "new troll accounts", it is not Butler supporters with agendas, it is people who cannot have a conversation without resorting to insults and bullying because another person dares to ask a question or question anything.
This. 1000x this. As a parent it is kind of frightening to see how much focus is on this one dude. Frankly some of y'all act like Rick Butler is the only coach who has been and ever will be accused of messing around with his players. When threads are created to say: "Hey! AWARENESS! Let's talk about this." People (me this time) get torn apart over it and nitpicked. When I took the actual time to do a search to see if any of those 4 or 5 instances were discussed here because, once again, AWARENESS and they weren't. There's dozens upon dozens more. For all those that complain that club directors keep it hush hush - there's a thread for that now and if it's in the news and on public record feel free to add to it. Because: AWARENESS. The more you know………… |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2018 18:32:24 GMT -5
volleypsq: I FULLY appreciate your response; not the least of which is how controlled, civilized plus eloquent it was. I Never stated that you are a troll, nor that your child is in danger - My comment was not JUST concerning RB-themed threads, nor was it referencing that first, Chi. S-T thread. In fact, emotions were SO HIGH at that time that I was amazed that it lasted/ went on for as long as it did: 'twas disintegrating as it went on! I was referring more to subsequent RB-threads (one of which a friend of mine began). Fully informed; your choice is yours
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Post by knowthetruth on Apr 25, 2018 20:42:57 GMT -5
This. 1000x this. As a parent it is kind of frightening to see how much focus is on this one dude. Frankly some of y'all act like Rick Butler is the only coach who has been and ever will be accused of messing around with his players. When threads are created to say: "Hey! AWARENESS! Let's talk about this." People (me this time) get torn apart over it and nitpicked. When I took the actual time to do a search to see if any of those 4 or 5 instances were discussed here because, once again, AWARENESS and they weren't. There's dozens upon dozens more. For all those that complain that club directors keep it hush hush - there's a thread for that now and if it's in the news and on public record feel free to add to it. Because: AWARENESS. The more you know………… He did not mess around with his players. He raped them. 100's of times. Raped. Brutally raped. Mental and physical torture. Why would you make such a throw away statement? As a parent it would be frightening if there was not this much focus. It is frightening that this went with no focus for decades. Frightening that coaches at major universities knew......and did nothing. |
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Post by VT Five-0 on Apr 25, 2018 20:44:31 GMT -5
Alright, that's enough. This thread needs a timeout.
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