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Post by moderndaycoach on Dec 28, 2018 11:23:09 GMT -5
Right but the counter point is exactly what John Kessel wrote back in 2015 in that you are paying clubs for practice, not for playing. If you think that rb is not in that gym as the master coach for the older kids and has a hand in how almost every level trains and develops then you are way too naive. So going back to the point I made before, that if his teams were to ever register full USAV he could not even be in the gym. Until a rule comes about that says he can not be in his own gym then he will continue to do so and kids who believe in what he can provide will continue to train there. I don't buy that paying for practice and your coach not being allowed to attend events is the same thing. It has more to do with playing time under the same coach. It's still beyond my understanding how any parent would send a player to a club where a the director has been banned. Sorry but I disagree, if you have a competent person on the sidelines that can make small adjustments while executing an established system and game plan then it really means nothing compared to the development and work you put in during practice......especially when top SPRI teams treat their training as such of a college or professional team. That is why I always laugh when parents complain about how their kid will never get better if they are not a starter or getting six rotations regularly, if they prove they deserve the rotations in practice then all they have to do is execute in game, if you can't beat out that person ahead of you efficiently or effectively in practice you for sure will not consistently do it when it matters. And it has been discussed many times before even with parents of SPRI kids admitting they see it as in the past that happened so long ago or **if** it even happened in their opinion, and all they see is the promise of a scholarship or the college placement rate if they can be on one of those top teams.
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Post by moderndaycoach on Dec 28, 2018 11:25:01 GMT -5
How do you think Safe Sport will rule on Cheryl allowing Rick to still coach at SPRI? All other Club Directors have removed banned coaches from coaching at any level. Rick is the only current banned coach that I am aware of that is still coaching. He is not listed as coaching on their website... Sure, he is not technically listed as a coach as he can not register as one in any organization now.....but I would bet a lot of money that he is in the gym regularly running practices as a master coach or heavily giving his input about what and how he wants things done.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2018 11:59:04 GMT -5
He is not listed as coaching on their website... Sure, he is not technically listed as a coach as he can not register as one in any organization now.....but I would bet a lot of money that he is in the gym regularly running practices as a master coach or heavily giving his input about what and how he wants things done. As long as RB/CB are owners of GLV and SPRI, he will continue to have a hand in his club. For someone who has denied any wrong doing, to proactively (or even re-actively, now that every governing body has banned him) step away and remove himself from his club is wishful thinking.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2018 13:14:32 GMT -5
Ugh I just got an email from someone asking me about the coaches clinics they run. Rick and Cheryl headline the flyer. No thanks.
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Post by why on Dec 28, 2018 13:44:52 GMT -5
How do you think Safe Sport will rule on Cheryl allowing Rick to still coach at SPRI? All other Club Directors have removed banned coaches from coaching at any level. Rick is the only current banned coach that I am aware of that is still coaching. He is not listed as coaching on their website... That makes it even worse. Removing a coach from the website but still allowing them to coach without being listed is not very TRANSPARENT or ACCURATE of the SPRI leadership. If you read the article you will see how Cheryl is doing the same thing as the Taekwondo wife did. www.usatoday.com/story/sports/olympics/2018/12/17/taekwondo-coach-suspended-safe-sport/2338015002/A few key points from the article. 1) taking formal ownership of their gym and representing their club at meets 2) banned coach has been coaching at the same gym since he was banned
3) Her name appears on its state incorporation paperwork
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Post by volleyparent on Dec 29, 2018 17:00:13 GMT -5
Question: does Rick Butler have a strong European accent? Is he originally from another country? (Sorry, not a witty joke, just an honest question).
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Post by volleyparent on Dec 31, 2018 7:46:38 GMT -5
Question: does Rick Butler have a strong European accent? Is he originally from another country? (Sorry, not a witty joke, just an honest question). Does anyone know this? I was at the Great Lakes Center over the weekend and I’m trying to figure out if he was there.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2018 11:43:03 GMT -5
Question: does Rick Butler have a strong European accent? Is he originally from another country? (Sorry, not a witty joke, just an honest question). No, he sounds like an American. There are pictures of him and other coaches online if you’re trying to figure it out.
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Post by why on Dec 31, 2018 15:23:52 GMT -5
Question: does Rick Butler have a strong European accent? Is he originally from another country? (Sorry, not a witty joke, just an honest question). Does anyone know this? I was at the Great Lakes Center over the weekend and I’m trying to figure out if he was there. My question is why were you at the GLC? You know that the money you paid is supporting a banned coach who owns SPRI and GLC? The majority of clubs have made a decision to no longer support banned coaches or clubs that allow banned coaches to participate.
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Post by hochee on Dec 31, 2018 23:10:53 GMT -5
The GLC is a great facility that needs to be the home of Chicago volleyball. C'mon, rich Chicago Board of Trade guy, your daughter is an 11-year-old phenom. Pay more than it's worth and keep it alive as THE venue.
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Post by why on Jan 1, 2019 3:48:48 GMT -5
The GLC is a great facility that needs to be the home of Chicago volleyball. C'mon, rich Chicago Board of Trade guy, your daughter is an 11-year-old phenom. Pay more than it's worth and keep it alive as THE venue. I think it more likely plays out that it goes into bankruptcy and a savvy investor gets it for pennies on the dollar. I agree it should stay a volleyball center but not if Rick is involved.
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Post by hochee on Jan 1, 2019 13:26:17 GMT -5
The GLC is a great facility that needs to be the home of Chicago volleyball. C'mon, rich Chicago Board of Trade guy, your daughter is an 11-year-old phenom. Pay more than it's worth and keep it alive as THE venue. I think it more likely plays out that it goes into bankruptcy and a savvy investor gets it for pennies on the dollar. I agree it should stay a volleyball center but not if Rick is involved. I wouldn't bet against you on that. Too bad several seasons will be lost in the process. GL= Gypsy League.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2019 10:38:48 GMT -5
I think it more likely plays out that it goes into bankruptcy and a savvy investor gets it for pennies on the dollar. I agree it should stay a volleyball center but not if Rick is involved. I wouldn't bet against you on that. Too bad several seasons will be lost in the process. GL= Gypsy League. Whose seasons will be lost? It seems it will only be SPRI teams that lose out. The top teams in the area have moved on. For all the comments about how club is about paying for good coaching and practice time, I cannot imagine parents continuing to send their kids and money to a club 95% of the volleyball community has decided to abandon. And not sure how/who would buy/invest in a club that has a $5,000,000.00 active lawsuit. As long as that drags on, any potential buyer/investor would likely have to address that.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2019 12:58:46 GMT -5
I wouldn't bet against you on that. Too bad several seasons will be lost in the process. GL= Gypsy League. Whose seasons will be lost? It seems it will only be SPRI teams that lose out. The top teams in the area have moved on. For all the comments about how club is about paying for good coaching and practice time, I cannot imagine parents continuing to send their kids and money to a club 95% of the volleyball community has decided to abandon. And not sure how/who would buy/invest in a club that has a $5,000,000.00 active lawsuit. As long as that drags on, any potential buyer/investor would likely have to address that. Happy New Year @four ! Afa anybody feeling bad - or sorry - about GLC/ SPVB/ RB/ CB/ et al, this could have been Entirely avoided: IF Rick had been a decent human being, coach, role model & mentor; instead of a serial sexual rapist-sadist who could Not keep his pants, nor his morality/ethics, zipped tight. Move On spribots. The game's over!
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Post by hochee on Jan 2, 2019 22:26:12 GMT -5
I wouldn't bet against you on that. Too bad several seasons will be lost in the process. GL= Gypsy League. Whose seasons will be lost? It seems it will only be SPRI teams that lose out. The top teams in the area have moved on. For all the comments about how club is about paying for good coaching and practice time, I cannot imagine parents continuing to send their kids and money to a club 95% of the volleyball community has decided to abandon. And not sure how/who would buy/invest in a club that has a $5,000,000.00 active lawsuit. As long as that drags on, any potential buyer/investor would likely have to address that. A "Grand Venue" that accumulates legend and memories for a community is a valuable thing. That's what's lost. As to a lawsuit attached to the club, I have no idea about that, but if it's lien against the facility , or an obstacle to a sale-- ya, throw that on the tragedy pile. Tragedies beg a hero but a martyr will do. Otherwise, it's just a plain ol' catastrophe. Sorry but I'm just extra angry there is a wonderful community of conscientious, exuberant young athletes whose lives shouldn't be affected by this shtuff.
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